Sunday, October 25, 2015

Does Prof. Shashidhara Prasad, ex-VC Sai university, BELIEVE that Kali Yuga has ended and Sathya Yuga has started on 23rd October 2015?

Last updated on 1st March 2015

From around 3:16:40 in this video, "Day 10 - Evening, Athi Rudra Maha Yagna & durga Puja-2015, Muddenahalli", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCh0J6shWXw#t=11800, streamed live on Oct. 22nd 2015, you can hear Shri Madhusudhan Naidu say in Telugu, and Shri Narasimhamurthy say in English that tomorrow (i.e. 23rd October 2015) Kali Yuga will end and Sathya Yuga will start. Just after this statement is made, the video shows the audience, with what seems to be Prof. Shashidhara Prasad seated there. Very fortunately, thank God, Prof. Shashidhara Prasad (if it is him) does not applaud this statement.

Whether Prof. Shashidhara Prasad was present in this ceremony at Muddenahalli or not, it is well known that Prof. Shashidhara Prasad has attended Muddenahalli so called subtle body functions in the past. As a former vice-chancellor of Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL, Sai university), from mid 2010 to Nov. 2014, Prof. Shashidhara Prasad has a great obligation and duty towards Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba and his perhaps millions of followers around the globe to clarify to us (Sathya Sai followers/devotees) what his stand is. By being present at such functions does he ENDORSE these statements of so called Sukshma Baba delivered through so called communicator Shri Madhusudhan Naidu, using the HOLY NAME of Kali Yuga Avatar, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba?

My question to Prof. Shashidhara Prasad is:
Sir, what is your stand on this statement of so called subtle body of Bhagavan based in Muddenahalli that Kali Yuga will end (has ended now) on 23rd October 2015 and Sathya Yuga will begin (has begun now)? You have to answer, sir. You cannot escape, sir, by ignoring the question. You were appointed vice-chancellor of Bhagvan's DIVINE university which has, as a key part of its educational mission, the objective of re-inforcing Sathya, Dharma, Shanti & Prema in the world by imparting such values to its students who are expected to be torch-bearers of these values in society later on. Please note sir, that SSSIHL is NOT just a UGC deemed university meant to teach and do research in worldly knowledge like sciences and commerce and management. It is the DIVINE university founded by Kali Yuga Avatar, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi.
Sir, you have an obligation and duty to all of us devotees of Bhagavan to respond and clarify your stand. I look forward earnestly to your answer, sir.
--- end my question to Prof. Shashidhara Prasad ---

Given below are recent comments of mine on a Facebook page, https://www.facebook.com/sathyanarayana.raju.9/posts/689833924486428 [Update: Note that this post seems to have been deleted later on], which I felt appropriate to add to this post.

These comments (slightly edited) were made in response to the above Facebook post sharing a non-Indian (foreign) individual's post having the remarks:
"23 OCTOBER 2015
TODAY IN INDIA THERE ARE CELEBRATIONS FOR
THE END OF THE KALI YUGA AND
THE BEGINING OF THE GOLDEN AGE
LET'S HOPE....LET'S GET THE WAVE!!!"

The Facebook post share comments are: "[Name-snipped] Is today the end of Kali Yuga brother"

My comments on the above post are given below:

Ravi S. Iyer wrote: What NONSENSE! Just because a few hundred or thousand DELUDED devotees of so called Muddenahalli subtle body and the DELUDED communicators Madhusudhan Naidu and Narasimhamurthy believe it and celebrate it, does it mean that a country of 1.25 billion people believes SUCH NONSENSE. My God! How embarrassing it is for me to read such Facebook posts! ..... See how these Muddenahalli people are getting away with such NONSENSE by UNAUTHORISEDLY USING THE HOLY NAME of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba for their NONSENSE, and because of their PAST ASSOCIATION with his educational institution. I saw the former VC of the Sai university (or somebody who looks like him), Prof. Shashidhara Prasad, sitting in the front rows of the audience in the video which shows Naidu and Narasimhamurthy making the announcement (link passed on to me by somebody)! Somebody should ask Prof. Shashidhara Prasad the question, whether he thinks that Kali Yuga has ended and that we are in Sathya Yuga now! I AM FURIOUS!!!
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Muddenahalli group leaders and promoters say that what so called Sukshma Baba says is the same as/similar to what physical form Sathya Sai Baba said. In that case, should they not see what physical form Sathya Sai Baba has said about end of Kali Yuga in 21st century? As far as I know, physical form Sathya Sai Baba said NOTHING about end of Kali Yuga in 21st century.

If Muddenahalli group leaders and promoters are NOT able to show that physical form Bhagavan said that Kali Yuga will end in early 21st century (which is a very, very big statement) then they should realize that they are BEING DELUDED by Shri Narasimhamurthy and Shri Madhusudhan Naidu in the HOLY NAME of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba. They, including Prof. Shashidhara Prasad, former vice-chancellor of the Sai university (from sometime in 2010 to Nov. 2014) SHOULD STOP SUPPORTING Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudhan Naidu thereby disassociating from these activities that are making a MOCKERY of Kali Yuga Avatar Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's name among the Hindu community the world over (which may be close to a billion in number, if not a billion).

Readers may also want to look at my blog post, Shri Narasimhamurthy of Muddenahalli supposedly said Kali Yuga will end (and Sathya Yuga will begin) on 23rd October 2015, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2015/10/shri-narasimhamurthy-of-muddenahalli.html.
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Update: The above contents were put up as a Facebook post here: https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1672942539588983. I have given below some of my comments (slightly edited) in this Facebook post.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
[name-snipped]: I have put up a blog post on this too (23 views so far), and also sent it over email. I am quite sure this matter would be brought to Prof. Shashidhara Prasad's notice by somebody. My relations with him are too strained for me to write to him directly. However, even if he comes to know about this post, he may take the easy route of simply not responding.

About the Kali Yuga period thing: I think there are some differing views on period of various Yugas. If I recall correctly, Swami has stated that Rama was born around 20,000 years ago and that Krishna was born around 5,000 years ago. Now Rama is said to have been in Treta Yuga and Krishna in Dwapara, with the bodily passing away of Krishna signalling the coming of the Kali age. What you have quoted seems to be more in line with Hindu scripture (though I do not know this aspect of it well enough to comment), where the periods are far bigger than what Swami's statement about when Rama and Krishna were living (in physical body) indicate.

A comment on your Facebook page referenced this remark from, http://media.radiosai.org/journals/vol_10/01MAY12/04_Dr.Sola_03.htm:
I remember once back in 2007 Swami was in Kodaikanal, this was shared with me by some of His students. And Swami just casually remarked “Sathya yuga begins in 2012.” He said it as casually as if he would say it rains during monsoon season and so we know that we’re at the end of one age and at the beginning of the next.
--- end extract from radiosai article ---

It would be wonderful if the students who were there in Kodaikanal at the time (2007) this quote was made, share with others what Swami told them. Was it something that some student(s) misunderstood and miscommunicated to the person interviewed in the above article. That certainly is a possibility. I have noticed that Muddenahalli group uses some special info./tidbits that some of their leaders have acquired due to many years of proximity with physical form of Bhagavan. Others who have had physical proximity with Bhagavan for long, and are not associated with Muddenahalli, should share their views and info. on the matter to bring more clarity and avoid one-sided views being propagated.

For persons like me who have never had an interview with Swami nor ever been to Kodaikanal on a trip with him (in my case I never deeply desired such physical proximity either), we have to go by PUBLIC STATEMENTS of Swami (physical form) in this regard. I do not know of any PUBLIC STATEMENT of Swami where he has mentioned the end of Kali Yuga. But he surely has mentioned that there will be change in the world for the better from a spiritual/ethical point of view, and that has been referred by some Sai devotees as a "golden age" or a "Sai age" which will come in the near future, or is already being ushered in but is at a small level now. I had always understood this "golden age"/"Sai age" (even may have been loosely referred to as Sai Yugam/Swarna Yugam by some), as being a part of Kali Yuga.

I don't recall ever hearing from Swami in public statements of his, that this Sai age will involve ending of the current Kali Yuga and dawning of a new Krita/Sathya Yuga (first of the your Yuga cycle, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga#Four_yugas). My view is that even if Swami had casually said to student(s) that Sathya Yuga begins in 2012, the reference would have been to a golden age within Kali Yuga, and not the end of Kali Yuga in 2011/2012 followed by a new Krita/Sathya Yuga in 2012.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
[Name-snipped]: Responding to an inner response-comment of yours on the outer level so that this comment has more visibility. [Name-snipped]: This comment may be of interest to you too.
1) About Swami's words about Kali Yuga being 4,32,000 years: An extract from http://www.sssbpt.info/summershowers/ss1978/ss1978-02.pdf, Summer Showers in Brindavan 1978, [I presume that this document is a discourse of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba; the document does not specifically say so, but the title, Summer Showers in Brindavan 1978 implies that it is a discourse by Bhagavan]:

Taking this into account, the Maharishis divided time into four Yugas called Kritha Yuga, Dwapara Yuga, Thretha Yuga, and the Kali Yuga. These will keep coming back again and again. In these, the word Kritha indicates four times, and the word Thretha indicates three times. The Dwapara signifies two times, and Kali gives us an authoritative unit of measurement. According to them, 4,32,000 years is the basic unit and represents the number of years in a Kali Yuga. Two times this or 8,64,000 years represents the Dwapara Yuga. Three times this basic number of 12,96,000 years is the measure of Thretha Yuga. Four times this measure, namely, 17,28,000 years refers to Kritha Yuga. By adding all these, we get 43,20,000 years and this refers to a Maha Yuga. After a Maha Yuga, the Kritha Yuga will start again. In this manner and by assigning such measures, they interpreted time.
--- end discourse extract ---

Ravi: The key point to note here is that Bhagavan has preceded his length span of yugas comments by the words, "According to them", indicating that this is the view of the Maharishis (as recorded in Hindu scripture). It has been my observation that Bhagavan would be very respectful of Hindu scripture and try to avoid directly contradicting some parts of it. Anyway, clearly, in the above discourse Bhagavan is not stating HIS view but simply sharing the Hindu scripture view without CONFIRMING that it is HIS view too.

Bhagavan's dating of Rama (Threta yuga) to around 20,000 years ago and Krishna (Dwapara yuga) to around 5,800 years ago does not match with the above-mentioned Hindu scripture view of length of these yugas. See my blog post, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2015/01/sathya-sai-on-historicity-of-rama-and.html, for a youtube video link where Swami is seen and heard giving the dating of Rama and Krishna.

I should mention here that there are many, many holy books which constitute Hindu scripture. And there are contradictions between some of these holy books on some matters. The wiki page on Yuga, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga, states that there is wide disagreement on length of the Yugas between Manusmruti and the Bhagavad Gita, two very important Hindu scriptural books, with the latter being more widely read, but the former still seems to be an important book for very conservative sections of Hindus. I must also mention here that Manusmruti has come for great amount of criticism among some powerful political and social circles in India for its promotion of Chaturvarna (four classes of Hindus: Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_(Hinduism)). [I have read/studied the Bhagavad Gita, if I recall correctly, when I was a college student, and have re-read it many times later on. But I have not read the Manusmruti. Perhaps all the criticism of Manusmruti by powerful political and social circles in India made me keep away from it. Bhagavad Gita & Upanishads, as well as Ramayana and Mahabharata, and Bhagavat Purana (Bhagavatam), on the other hand, do not face that kind of vehement criticism from these political and social circles, and so it was, and I think still is, quite socially permissible for students and adults to read and study them openly in India.]

Given this background, my view is that Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's words on these matters, especially those that are given in public discourses and on multiple occasions, are the authoritative words on the matter, as it comes from Bhagavan's supernatural knowledge of these matters. One should be careful however with casual comments by Bhagavan to some student(s) as sometimes Bhagavan has even joked on these matters, and student(s) could miscommunicate such matters. The joke should not be treated as a DIVINE REVELATION! In contrast, I have noted, again and again, while listening to Bhagavan's discourses LIVE with my own ears sitting in Sai Kulwant Hall, Prasanthi Nilayam, that Bhagavan would treat Hindu scriptural matters in these discourses in a very serious way. I mean, I honestly felt that Bhagavan would become a Hindu Dharmaadhikaari (Hindu Law giver) when talking about such Hindu scriptural matters in his discourses. He was then the Professor Emeritus of Hinduism giving his very knowledgeable and very wise lecture! No question about jokingly saying something incorrect on Hindu Dharma matters WHILE HE WAS GIVING THE DISCOURSE.

[Name-snipped], you mentioned that Hislop's book(s) has Swami stating that Kali Yuga is 11,000 years span. Can you provide the exact reference: book title & chapter (and if there is an Internet link for it, then it will be really great)? [Update on 1st March 2016: See blog post, In Hislop book, Sathya Sai says in 1968 that Kali Yuga has 5,320 years before ending, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2015/11/in-hislop-book-sathya-sai-says-in-1968.html, dated November 2nd 2015.]
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