Wednesday, February 1, 2017

Misrepresentation and fabrication by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu against me; Beware of Arun Srinivas, alumnus of Muddenahalli school - Part 1

Last updated on 14th Mar. 2017

[14-Mar-2017 Update: Readers may please see my important post, Bhaskar Iyer of Melbourne, Australia is collaborating with, OR IS, fake Id Facebook bully & conspirator Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2017/03/bhaskar-iyer-of-melbourne-australia-is.html, dated March 9th 2017. end-Update]

Given below are the contents of a set of Facebook posts (and one non Facebook post) written by me from January 27th to February 3rd, 2017, related to misrepresentation and fabrication by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu against me (and some others). It also covers some serious concerns about the behaviour of Arun Srinivas, alumnus of Muddenahalli school, towards me and some others.

Overflow from this post is continued on post, Misrepresentation and fabrication by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu against me; Beware of Arun Srinivas, alumnus of Muddenahalli school - Part 2, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2017/02/misrepresentation-and-fabrication-by.html.

As there are around 20 such Facebook posts (including one non-Facebook post), and this blog post is a very long one, I felt it appropriate to provided a kind of index of these Facebook posts first, followed by a copy of their contents.

1) False charges and disgusting language used against me by others on his post is NOT being deleted by Mr. Ganti; Plan to unfriend and block Mr. Ganti,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854174248132477

2) My DEMAND to Mr. V.R. Ganti to delete Parthi Resident screenshot having obnoxious comment on RJR by Clive, which I DELETED within minutes, from my wall,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854605018089400

3) Should I block Mr. V.R. Ganti and drop the matter there OR should I & Clive Raj Valydon file cyber police complaint & Facebook complaint against Parthi Resident and V.R. Ganti?,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854665901416645

4) Horrible day for me today as I was FRAMED (became victim of conspiracy) by seemingly paid dirty tricks anti-RJR Facebook fake Id, Parthi Resident, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854747754741793

5) Short message about having had long chat with Mr. Ganti,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854773728072529

6) How Mr. Ganti refused to delete Parthi Resident's offensive part out-of-context, part doctored screenshot, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1855193058030596

7) The vicious words of Arun Srinivas, Muddenahalli school alumnus, against Clive, Satish and myself (and Terry), and his vicious enmity towards RJR; Arun Srinivas should apologize to RJR,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1855427624673806

8) How should I now approach seeking justice for false charges made by Parthi Resident against me on Mr. Ganti's Facebook post? Cyber-police complaint and/or Facebook complaint and/or something else? Please advise., https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1855695754646993

9) Suggestions I received to get Parthi Resident screenshot removed from Mr. Ganti's post,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1855764897973412

10) Complaint to be made to Facebook and/or cyber police about Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu and Mr. Ganti, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1855913707958531

11) Parthi Resident has changed his name to Venkatesh Babu! Shared a pic of his and other students with Swami!, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1856177154598853

12) Reported Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident (and Mr. V.R. Ganti) to Facebook; Status of complaints, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1856634701219765

13) Proposed Andhra Pradesh cyber police complaint to be made mainly about Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident but also about Mr. V.R. Ganti aiding him,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1856768911206344

14) Facebook is not able to help me to remove Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident's offensive comment and screenshot from Ganti's post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1857045814511987

15) DEALING WITH DEFAMATION ATTACKS ON FACEBOOK - A USA, Florida Cyber investigation firm webpage; Has my long public conversation with Facebook Fake Id Bully Venkatesh Babu, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1857178847832017

16) Clive Raj Valydon's public apology to RJR,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1857368711146364

17) Have decided NOT to make a cyber police complaint against Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1857638471119388

18) My response to Shaun Brown comment on RJR being chosen by Swami and about avoiding gossip and rumours,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1857675137782388

19) Rough summary of my actions in response to the conspiracy (framing) against me [This is adapted from a private message (not Facebook post).]

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Contents of above mentioned Facebook posts

1) False charges and disgusting language used against me by others on his post is NOT being deleted by Mr. Ganti; Plan to unfriend and block Mr. Ganti,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854174248132477 dated January 27 at 5:06pm

In a recent post (published Jan. 25th 2017) of V.R. Ganti, Facebook user Parthi Resident wrote in a comment directed at Mr. Ganti (slightly edited to snip two names), "You may be an independent crusader but people like Ravi, --name-snipped-- and --name-snipped-- who write against MDH regularly are financed by RJR himself. They will never go against him."

Facebook user Arun Srinivas supported Parthi Resident's comment and used disgusting and vile language against me (and the other two persons). I do not want to lend dignity to Arun Srinivas's words by mentioning it here. I will just say that it is horrifyingly disgusting and I am deeply shocked that a former student of Muddenahalli school could ever stoop to such a level.

Given below are the comments I put up on Mr. Ganti's Facebook post having the vicious, disgusting and vile comments against me (and two others):

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Vr Ganti sir, In this post Parthi Resident has mentioned my name (and two others) as being financed by RJR. That is a blatant lie. Further, Arun Srinivas (who I will be blocking shortly) has said some disgusting things about these three people mentioned by Parthi Resident (which includes me).

So Ganti sir I expect you to delete the comment having false allegation against me that I am being financed by RJR, and to delete the Arun Srinivas comment having disgusting words against me (and two others).

I await your response and your action.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Vr Ganti sir, I had hoped I would get a quick response from you. Can you at least acknowledge that you have read my comment?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Vr Ganti, Perhaps you have not read my comments above as you have not been on Facebook for the past two to three hours. But I am very disturbed by the comments against me that you have tolerated on your Facebook page (that you read it is clear from your comment response where you DID NOT DEMAND that Arun Srinivas change his disgusting language or else you would delete his comment). In light of the great service that you did to post-Mahasamadhi Sathya Sai movement by exposing Muddenahalli group including its HIJACK of Sai university with the traitors Sashidhar Prasad and Narasimhamurthy (till Nov. 2014), I wanted to discuss the matter with you before taking action. But as you have not responded so far, I have decided to unfriend you and block you. I will do that a little later as I would like you to read this comment of mine.

If you delete the comments and promise me that in future, as soon as you see comments of this sort viciously targeting me with false charges (that I am being paid by RJR) and using disgusting language against me, on your post, you will delete them, then you may mail me about it and I will reconsider my decision to unfriend and block you.
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Vr Ganti wrote (slightly edited):
Sai Ram to all those who are commenting on this note on my wall.

Ravi S. Iyer Garu, immediately on reading the 1st comment from Arun Srinivas Garu, I put up my remarks. I dont like bad language at all, though I am capable of using them like any of us. Having said the above, I cannot and in fact will not interfere beyond a stage regarding the language one uses. Arun Srinivas's comments may derogatory, but I dont think I will delete them because that is what he feels and I put up my comment against that derogatory comment. So in my opinion, the matter ended there.

As regardsm moeny being paid by RJR to you, I cannot believe that at all. --snip--

If you want to unfreind me, it is your choice. But please remember that my respect towards you will always continue because I know about. Yes, there are certain actions of yours may not synchronize with my thoughts and it is OK. But on majority of issues, you and I agree and that is what is important.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Well sir, I thank you for your words supporting me (that I am not paid by RJR). Mind you, I don't expect you to blindly support me. The point is that when one makes such a charge, there has to be some evidence. And I had told you in the past that you could freely ask me about any charges made against me and I will answer them (except personal matters). So if Parthi Resident has evidence that RJR has paid me then it is a different matter. But now you have a policy that you will retain that false charge against me on your post. That is a BIG PROBLEM for me.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Further, the DISGUSTING and VILE words used by Arun Srinivas is utterly unbecoming of any Sai devotee or alumnus of Sai school. I have noted that you had written against it even before I commented. I thank you for that. But you are not deleting the comment. So the DISGUSTING and VILE words used by Arun Srinivas against me will stay on your post. That is another BIG PROBLEM for me.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
You may remember that when vile words were used by somebody against you on my Facebook post, I deleted those words (I think it was --name-snipped-- who had written those words).
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
So now I have a serious ethical problem as your post will be retaining false charges against me that I am being paid by RJR and the disgusting and vile words used by Arun Srinivas against me. I think that leaves me no option but to unfriend you and block you on Facebook. So I will do that in a short while and inform my Facebook friends and followers of that matter and put it on my blog as well. ... But I must also say that your responses to me have resolved any anger that I had towards you. I think it is just your policy as a publisher of news and opinions that I find completely unacceptable especially as you have allowed publication of false charges against me and vile and disgusting comments against me. I wish you well, sir. Jai Sairam!
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Vr Ganti wrote:
Arun Srinivas - Sir, tone down on the language you use sir. Sai Ram to you
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
It is utterly false that I am being financed by RJR (Shri R.J. Rathnakar). I write against the false belief of Muddenahalli group as they are misguiding thousands of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide and I feel it is my duty to the Sathya Sai fraternity and Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, for all that I have recieved from them both, to alert Sathya Sai devotees about the false claim of so called communicator, Madhusudan Rao Naidu who is endorsed by B.N. Narasimhamurthy. I challenge anybody to provide any shred of evidence of me being paid by RJR.

Let me also say that I have not received even one Naya paisa (Indian equivalent of cent/penny) from any Sathya Sai institution in Puttaparthi, or any office bearers of such Sai institutions in Puttaparthi, or anywhere in the world. I have only offered FREE SAI SERVICE as follows:
a) In the Sathya Sai organization Maharashtra (from around 1993 to 2002) as a samithi member (part-time association with samithi activites) including six stints of Seva Dal duty in Prasanthi Nilayam (Mandir discipline duty).
b) After moving to Puttaparthi in Oct. 2002, as regular (every working day) staff/volunteer in Prasanthi Nilayam system from Oct. 2002 to Mar. 2012 (a month or two in Radio Sai, and then around nine years in Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (Sai university) with designations of Honorary Staff, Honorary Faculty and Visiting Faculty).
c) In my individual capacity as an Internet based writer on spirituality & religion including Sathya Sai related matters from August 2013 to now (Jan. 2017).

It is my honest and fully legal (with Income tax duly paid to Indian govt.) earnings from my international software industry career that have permitted me to provide free service as I have mentioned above, and allowed me after my retirement from commercial work in Sept. 2002 to lead a simple ceiling-on-desires single (I am unmarried as of now) life in Puttaparthi without needing any sources of new income (so far at least; hope that it remains so in future too).

Therefore the first part of Parthi Resident's statement that I am financed by RJR is COMPLETELY FALSE. The second part that I will never go against him (RJR) has some truth, and applies not only to RJR but to all other trustees of SSSCT (Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust). I benefit from the services provided by SSSCT in my outside-ashram Puttaparthi life and so it will be ungrateful of me to be harshly critical of SSSCT and its trustees, especially in public. However, at times, I have been mildly critical of SSSCT and its trustees, even in my public writings. In the case of RJR (Shri R.J. Rathnakar), he is Swami's close relative at physical form level. While Swami was in physical form itself, I have followed a policy of respect towards family members of Swami and I continue that policy even after Mahasamadhi, especially in my writings. This applies not only to RJR but also other family members of Swami. BTW I have not had any personal interactions with RJR.

I must also say that I have written in support of RJR when I felt he was acting in a Dharmic and correct way but was being viciously attacked by his critics for doing so (e.g. Dr. Voleti Choudhary incident and disciplinary action against some staff in school and university in Prasanthi Nilayam for associating with Muddenahalli group). I did that as I felt it is my duty to Bhagavan to do so.
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Vr Ganti wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer Do you think I know most what you have written above? If you think I dont know, you are wrong.

You have written somewhere, that you have no alternative but to block me in Facebook and I have no objection whatsoever. I can only say that you are losing a good friend, whose approach has been that of TRUTH & DHARMA. Good luck to you Sir I HAVE LOT OF WORK AND I NEED TO CONTRATE ON THAT.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Well Vr Ganti, what you need to understand is that many readers who do not know about me also read the comments on this post. So my words are directed at them to refute the false allegations and vile & disgusting words against me. As I will be blocking you on Facebook after some time today itself, I guess in future, people like Parthi Resident and Arun Srinivas will freely use your Facebook pages to viciously and disgustingly malign me. As of now, I am not considering legal action or cyber police complaint to protect my fair name from defamation by these people. But I may consider it in future. Please note that if I do initiate legal proceedings and cyber police complaints it will be against Parthi Resident (whoever he/she is) and Arun Srinivas, and not you, Mr. V.R. Ganti.
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Vr Ganti wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer Sir, some wonderful notes are on the way.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Sorry sir, I am afraid I will be distancing myself from your notes in future. But all the best to your Sathya & Dharma work. So long as you act Dharmically I think you will be protected - Dharmo Rakshati Rakshitaha! I pray to Bhagavan that he prevents you from being misguided and misused by some persons on Facebook who may be either having ulterior motives or may be labouring under a delusion that only they and their friends are good and everybody else is bad. All the best! Jai Sairam!
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---- end comment exchanges on V.R. Ganti's Facebook post ----

Ravi: I had already blocked Parthi Resident earlier. I saw his comments by opening Mr. Ganti's post in incognito (anonymous) window of my Chrome browser, which 'forgets' my logged on Facebook userid and presumes that I am not logged in to Facebook.  Mr. Ganti's post has world access and so got displayed even though I was 'not logged in' in that incognito window and all comments were shown including Parthi Resident's comment(s).

Sometime back today I blocked Arun Srinivas on Facebook (earlier I had only unfriended him).

Sometime later today I plan to unfriend and block Mr. V.R. Ganti. But I do not have any anger towards Mr. Ganti. It is just that his policy of allowing false and disgusting comments against me by others on his Facebook posts, is a completely unacceptable policy to me.
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2) My DEMAND to Mr. V.R. Ganti to delete Parthi Resident screenshot having obnoxious comment on RJR by Clive, which I DELETED within minutes, from my wall,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854605018089400 dated January 28 at 11:21am

Very unfortunately, a fake Facebook user named Parthi Resident (but seems to be Muddenhalli group supporter) is playing poisonous Shakuni mama role by trying to create trouble among Puttaparthi supporters who oppose Muddenahalli group.

Parthi Resident put up on a recent post of Mr. Vr Ganti, a screenshot having an obnoxious comment made by Clive Raj Valydon which he said was said to him by Arun (Srinivas), targeting Shri R.J. Rathnakar. This obnoxious comment was made on my wall/post/status. As I was online I saw it, got startled by it, informed Clive that I am going to delete it, and within minutes of Clive putting up the comment, I deleted it. But in the meantime somebody had taken a screenshot of my wall having Clive's comment, which was put up by Parthi Resident on Mr. Ganti's post.

I have demanded of Mr. Ganti in public comments on his post, to delete Parthi Resident's screenshot pic to which he has not responded so far. I have also asked Clive Raj Valydon to apologize to Shri R.J. Rathnakar for the embarrassment caused. As I feel bad that my wall was used by Clive to publish this comment, which I deleted quickly, but whose screenshot was taken in the interim, and as I feel pained that such nasty comments were said about RJR, out of a human values perspective, I too have apologized to Shri R.J. Rathnakar. BUT if Puttaparthi locals try to portray this as Ravi Iyer made some big mistake against RJR and so apologized to him then I WILL WITHDRAW THE COMMENT. Honestly, I don't need to apologize as it was not my fault. But my heart says that I should let RJR know that I am pained by what happened and so I should apologize to him. That's it.

I mean, I don't want people to have the impression that I am terrified of RJR and by what Clive wrote on my wall about RJR. That is NOT THE CASE. I would have done the same if it was anybody else who was maligned in that manner. It is a human-to-human thing for which I apologize to RJR and NOT because he is a trustee of SSSCT or Swami's relative or that he is a very powerful person in outside-ashram Puttaparthi where I live. I do not have a big ego which prevents me from saying sorry to others when it can help ease their pain in a genuine kind-of situation.

Given below are the comments I wrote on Mr Ganti's post related to this issue. I have compressed multiple short comments into one comment, at times.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Vr Ganti sir, First and foremost I DEMAND that you delete the snapshot put up by Parthi Resident maligning RJR from your post. If you are a Sai devotee how can you tolerate such comments. Note that I deleted the comment from my post after informing Clive that I was going to delete it as soon as I saw it. But meanwhile Parthi Resident grabbed a screenshot, it seems. I also need to give an explanation of my immediate comment below Clive's comment which was related to another comment of Clive and not the immediately previous comment of Clive. If you are online I request you, Vr Ganti sir to engage with me right away on the matter.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Here are two screenshots of the relevant sections from my wall (excluding the deleted commentmaligning RJR, of course) that give the full picture of the matter. [Ravi: See attached pics to this post]
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
The comment from Clive which was offensive and which I deleted (which unfortunately is put up on Mr. Ganti's post here) was perhaps between my two comments, "Satish has shown a lot of courage in exposing Muddenhalli group. I will never forget that." and "In fact, that is why I am a very strong supporter of Satish." Both Clive and I were typing message quickly in short bursts and so Clive's message got in between my two messages above.

My second comment above was a continuation of my earlier comment and UNRELATED to what Clive said about RJR.

My comments after my second comment mentioned above, relate to my reaction to Clive's comment about RJR starting with my comment "Oops! I cannot leave such comments on my post, bro. "
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
The comments that follow are repeated here in text:
Ravi S. Iyer: So I will delete them shortly. Please don't mind.

Clive Raj Valydon: Sir leave it for ratnaka to see pls

Ravi S. Iyer: No bro. You can do it on your Facebook status/post.

Clive Raj Valydon: First let me alert ratnaka

Ravi S. Iyer: Sorry. I have to delete it now.

Clive Raj Valydon: Ok
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote: So it will be obvious to readers (and there seem to be many who have noted this pic having offensive but deleted comment from my wall by Parthi Resident) that I informed Clive of my decision to delete his comment (as I did not want to offend him by deleting without telling him first). Clive asked me not to delete it. I refused and said I have to delete it. Finally Clive said OK. Then I think I would have deleted it.

Now I had no idea that Parthi Resident who I have blocked, or some friend of his, was not only following my wall but was quick enough to grab the screenshot before I finished the few minutes interaction with Clive on my intent to delete his comment!!!
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
That is a learning for me. From now on, I will straight-away delete such comments that appear on my wall as soon as I see it and then inform the person who made the comment that I have deleted it. ... But the problem is that Facebook puts up comments immediately without moderation and so if I am not on Facebook (either doing something else on my computer or my computer is shut down) the comments will appear on my wall, and people like this obnoxious Parthi Resident (what an insult to Parthi such a Fake Facebook id is) will have all the time to grab screenshots and put up on Mr. Ganti's wall!!!
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Alok Dara Shikoh sir, could you please join me in asking Mr. Ganti to delete Parthi Resident's pic having the obnoxious personal comment against RJR? I am sure you too will condemn such comments.
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Alok Dara Shikoh wrote:
Ganti ji, like Ravi ji is requesting please do delete these comments and block users that may be distracting... sir most ppl first read the comments and then the main note... a casual sai devotee may not even see your note if he first sees such filthy comments associated with the note...
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thank you very much Alok Dara Shikoh sir.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
And then there is another serious matter. Parthi Resident seems to have DOCTORED the screenshot before he put it up!!! I hope Mr. Ganti notes this. See the comments in the pics that I put up which are repeated here in text:
Ravi S. Iyer: In fact, that is why I am a very strong supporter of Satish.

Clive Raj Valydon: This arun told

Ravi S. Iyer: Oops! I cannot leave such comments on my post, bro. Clive Raj Valydon.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Now Clive's comment which was deleted seems to have been just before his comment, "This arun told". But Parthi Resident has made that comment of Clive disappear!!!

Clive had taken Satish's name by mistake. He meant Arun.

But this correction comment from Clive was very inconvenient to the obnoxious fraudster Parthi Resident. So he or somebody helping him seems to have DOCTORED the screenshot to cut out Clive's correction comment!!!
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Finally, here's a comment I made on my post:
Clive Raj Valydon, Your comment has got us into this embarrassment. I hope you realize that. I deleted your comment after informing you as soon as I saw your comment, but meanwhile Parthi Resident had grabbed a screenshot. You are the cause for this embarrassment to RJR, a respected SSSCT trustee and family member of Swami. You are the cause for this embarrassment to me and to Satish as your comment was on my wall/status and you used Satish's name in your comment. If you had followed decent norms of social media interaction this embarrassment would never have cropped up.

I think you need to publicly apologize to Shri R.J. Rathnakar for this embarrassment. I hope you do it as soon as possible.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I think I must also add here that I apologize to Shri R.J. Rathnakar for the embarrassment caused to him due to Clive Raj Valydon's comment on my Facebook wall. [NOTE THAT THIS APOLOGY is not an acknowledgement of ANY FAULT of mine. I feel bad that such cheap things were said about RJR by Clive Raj Valydon on my post and feel bad that RJR got embarrassed. And so I feel I should apologize to RJR for embarrassment caused though it was NO FAULT OF MINE. If any Puttaparthi local tries to portray this as Ravi Iyer committed some big mistake against RJR and then apologized then I will WITHDRAW my apology and REFUTE it very aggressively. I am a polite man and don't like hurting others. But if my nice gesture of apologizing to RJR for hurt caused to him by Clive Raj Valydon's comment on my post is ABUSED AND PORTRAYED NEGATIVELY AGAINST ME then I will DELETE this comment and WITHDRAW MY APOLOGY. Honestly, I have not made any mistake and I could have chosen NOT TO APOLOGIZE TO RJR. But out of politeness and a human feeling of discomfort about such words being said about him by somebody else, I have done so. That's it.]

But I hope he also recognizes that I did not tolerate that comment and deleted it after informing Clive of my intent to delete it. As I was online at that time this obnoxious comment of Clive which he attributed wrongly to Satish but meant Arun, was visible only for a few minutes before I deleted it. Unfortunately, Parthi Resident or some friend of his, got a screenshot within that short time window.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Vr Ganti sir, You seem to be online as you wrote a response comment to Stephen Rexford after my comment in this session. Could you please respond to my DEMAND to delete Parthi Resident's obnoxious screenshot pic having Clive's obnoxious comment which I had deleted within minutes of him putting it on my Facebook wall.
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Alok Dara Shikoh wrote:
I feel one reason why Gantiji might not be deleting the screenshots is that since the perpetrators are already in possession of the images, they can and will freely use those images to cause distraction in any future thread. This is why both deletion and blocking are necessary
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Alok Dara Shikoh, I agree that deleting and blocking both should be done. But at least Mr. Ganti should delete this pic. Then we will know that he is a decent man. Otherwise ...
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I don't know why Mr. Ganti is not responding to my comments. Perhaps he is very busy. He has still NOT DELETED Parthi Resident's screenshot which uses Shakuni-poison tactics to convey a wrong impression about me.

I will give him some more time to respond. If he chooses to do other activity on Facebook but not respond to me then it will be clear to me that he is using SILENCE as a way to respond to my comments. I will then take appropriate Dharmic action from my side.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I think I must add that I will have to seriously consider making a cyber-police complaint against Parthi Resident and Mr. Ganti if this pic is not removed from Mr. Ganti's post. I am serious about this.
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Two comments from above post:

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Clive Raj Valydon, I request you make a clear request here to Mr. V.R. Ganti asking him to delete comment of Parthi Resident on Mr. Vr Ganti's post, --snip--, having a screenshot with comment under your name (hijacked perhaps) that says obnoxious things about Shri R.J. Rathnakar.
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Clive Raj Valydon Dear Mr ganti I have clearly explained to you that my account was indeed hacked and that it did not come from me.
I urge you to delete it or myself and Ravi will seek legal advice and report you to the police for defamation.
Kindly do the needful pls
Clive
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Ravi S. Iyer Thanks Clive Raj Valydon. I will put up these comments on Mr. Ganti's post.
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3) Should I block Mr. V.R. Ganti and drop the matter there OR should I & Clive Raj Valydon file cyber police complaint & Facebook complaint against Parthi Resident and V.R. Ganti?,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854665901416645 dated January 28 at 3:07pm

It is clear that Mr. Vr Ganti is ignoring my DEMAND to him to remove Parthi Resident's screenshot having Clive's comment given Arun's obnoxious words against RJR.

So I seek advice from readers on what I should do next.

Blocking (and unfriending) V.R. Ganti is an easy option. But that leaves the obnoxious comment against RJR and screenshot on V.R. Ganti's post. I am not so comfortable with that.

The second option is cyber police complaint jointly by Clive & me against both Parthi Resident for showing the deleted comment and thereby participating in malicious defamation, and against V.R. Ganti for his refusal to co-operate in removal of that screenshot.

Please advise.

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4) Horrible day for me today as I was FRAMED (became victim of conspiracy) by seemingly paid dirty tricks anti-RJR Facebook fake Id, Parthi Resident,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854747754741793 dated January 28 at 6:42pm

What a horrible day it has been for me so far! I came to know around 8 or 9 AM today about a screenshot having a truncated as well as partially doctored exchange of mine with Clive Raj Valydon (who says on his posts & comments today that his a/c was hijacked and it was not him) which framed me FALSELY as being supportive of a very nasty and personal comment about Shri R.J. Rathnakar made under Clive Raj Valydon's name which involved brother Satish Naik's name too.

Parthi Resident and his friends did a hit job on me and Satish Naik by clipping out portions of the comment exchange that resulted in conveying a false impression that Satish Naik and I were being nastily critical of RJR. For a full explanation of the hit job on me & Satish Naik, and what the reality is where neither Satish nor I had anything to do with such a nasty and personal comment, see my post, My DEMAND to Mr. V.R. Ganti to delete Parthi Resident screenshot having obnoxious comment on RJR by Clive, which I DELETED within minutes, from my wall, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854605018089400.

I am quite sure Shri R.J. Rathnakar would have been informed of this nasty out-of-context and partially doctored screenshot of Parthi Resident as it had a viciously personal attack on him. I would not be surprised if he would have presumed that Satish & I were, at least to some extent, to blame for tolerating that vicious personal attack on him.

As my earlier mentioned post explains, I deleted the vicious comment within minutes of it being put up. I had no idea that this conversation between Clive and me was being monitored or spied upon in real-time!!! The screenshot shows the time-stamp of the comments as 'Just Now' which implies that Parthi Resident and his team captured it almost as soon as that comment exchange happened. So even though I deleted the vicious comment within a minute or two perhaps of it being put up under Clive's id, screenshots had been taken!!!

I am feeling a little like how John Podesta, Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign chief would have felt once he saw all his gmail emails being shared to the world at large!!!

Never before in my life have I been targeted in this vicious manner like how Parthi Resident targeted me. It is a terrible feeling to be viciously targeted like this with false charges that I (and Satish Naik) are against RJR. I would not be surprised if Parthi Resident is a paid cyber dirty tricks guy of an anti-RJR group.

To recover from this horrendous situation I (and Satish Naik) found myself (ourselves) in, I had to first explain the situation to show that I am innocent of the horrific charges laid against me by Parthi Resident. Then I had to demand an apology from Clive Raj Valydon whose comment attributing the nasty & vicious thing to an Arun, was the cause of all this horror. But Clive says that his a/c was hijacked and somebody else wrote that stuff.

Then, though it was not my fault as I deleted the comment within a minute or two after telling Clive that I had to delete it (if I had known that I was being monitored/spied upon I would have deleted it first and then informed Clive), I felt I should publicly apologize to RJR for the hurt caused as it happened on my wall (but emphasising that it was no fault of mine and that the apology is at a human-to-human level for the nasty things said by somebody on my wall against him).

I had to demand that Mr. Ganti delete the screenshot of Parthi Resident on his post. And then face the utter frustration of him saying that he does not know what comment I am talking about, that he is in a (daylong) Satsang at Singapore Katong Sai centre, that his battery is running low etc. So even though I made the demand of deletion to him via comments on his Facebook post around 8.40 AM today (now it is around 6:30 PM), there has been ZERO progress in this matter of him deleting Parthi Resident's comment. Instead Parthi Resident has put some gloating comments on Ganti's post!!! But I have to tolerate all this and try to catch Mr. Ganti when he is free and try to make him see that such comments should be deleted by him especially as Clive has also said (as a comment which I reproduced on Ganti's post) that it should be deleted as he had not made it but somebody who hijacked his account had made it.

All this burden has fallen on me and me alone! I don't blame anybody else as others can only offer sympathy in the horrible situation that I have got caught up in. As the conversation involved me and as the allegation is against me (and Satish Naik), I have to take the burden of cleaning up this mess.

As I look back on the incident, I realize that I was targeted by Shakuni poison Parthi Resident and perhaps some supporters of his, as I was writing in support of RJR and Satish Naik. They want me to stop writing in support of RJR and Satish Naik. As simple as that!

If I had not written in support of RJR and Satish Naik in the past, the anti-RJR group including Parthi Resident would not have targeted me so viciously and framed me like they did.

I operate as an individual and also have some health issues. I cannot fight this kind of vicious targeting by anti-RJR group. So I have decided, at least for some time, to stay away from social media discussions involving Shri R.J. Rathnakar and brother Satish Naik. Then I guess these anti-RJR fellows will not want to viciously target me.

But I have learned one thing very clearly from this horrible experience today. The anti-RJR group is very powerful and seems to be a well financed group due to which they may be hiring paid dirty tricks guys. I pray earnestly to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba to protect Shri R.J. Rathnakar from this vicious and powerful anti-RJR group. What they did today shows that they are ready to stoop to any level to achieve their goals of maligning Shri R.J. Rathnakar and attacking those who support or defend him (RJR). Jai Sairam!


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5) Short message about having had long chat with Mr. Ganti,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854773728072529 dated January 28 at 7:48pm

Had a long chat with Mr. Ganti. He refuses to delete Parthi Resident's comment having screenshot pic with offensive comment. He says he is not responsible for Parthi Resident's comment. So I will be shortly unfriending and blocking Mr. Ganti. Tomorrow (today I am really tired and exhausted) I will see whether Facebook complaint and cyber police complaint can be made against Parthi Resident and against Mr. Ganti for refusing to remove the obnoxious comment of Parthi Resident.

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6) How Mr. Ganti refused to delete Parthi Resident's offensive part out-of-context, part doctored screenshot, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1855193058030596 dated January 29 at 3:42 pm

Normally I follow an ethical practice of not sharing private Facebook chat conversations publicly unless I am provided approval/permission for it by the person(s) I had the conversation with. But here I am making an exception as I have to defend my fair name and reputation from vicious maligning by Parthi Resident fake Facebook user who put up a part out-of-context, part doctored screenshot, along with his comments on Mr. Ganti's post which made vicious and false charges that I (and others) are anti RJR (Shri R.J. Rathnakar).

Therefore I felt it appropriate to share a private Facebook chat that I had with Mr. Ganti yesterday night (28th Jan 2017 night). I have provided a largely unedited version of the chat conversation below (with four minor exceptions). I copy-pasted the chat from Facebook onto Notepad (so it removes indentation and images; giving only text). I have added blank lines for readability. Note that the Vr repeated under Vr Ganti may be a text replacement of the image icon of Vr Ganti in the Facebook chat. So Vr Ganti followed by Vr identifies Mr. V.R. Ganti in the chat and is followed by what he wrote, whereas Ravi identifies me followed by what I wrote. I have added blank lines between each chat snippet to easily identify the separation. [Blank lines alone do not differentiate the chat snippets well. So I have added another --- separator line. end-Update.] I have retained spelling errors in the chat as I did not want to modify any text, barring the exception cases mentioned below.

There are two images in the chat which I have attached separately to this Facebook post. One I have given as is. I have edited the other image to blank out the offensive comment - that is one minor editing exception. Another minor editing exception is a replacement of one person's name by --name-snipped--. The third exception is snipping of some text part of the offensive comment shown clearly as --snip--. The fourth exception is the --snip--'ing of Mr. Ganti's post link (url) having the offensive comment-screenshot of Parthi Resident.

In this chat, I was focused on saving my and only my name & reputation as can be seen in some part of the conversation. I did not want to get into arguments with Mr. Ganti about others including friends of mine. I hope my friends criticised by Mr. Ganti in the chat below do not get offended by my not trying to defend them. I did not want to get into any digressions till I achieved my goal of getting Mr. Ganti to remove Parthi Resident's offensive screenshot & comment, but I failed to achieve that goal in this chat conversation.

Also note that both Mr. Ganti and I were, at times, sending messages simultaneously (which happens in Facebook chat conversations and sometimes in public Facebook interactions too, like my interaction with Clive which Parthi Resident misrepresented).

---Start of Facebook chat between Mr. V.R. Ganti and me ----

SAT 7:05PM

Vr Ganti
Vr
Sai Ram Sir
What is the problem
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Ravi
Sairam sir, the problem is Parthi Resident's screenshot pic which has nasty personal comment under Clive's id against RJR on your post.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I see
I saw a few comments but did not pay attention
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Ravi
Shall I guide you to the very nasty comment i your post.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I think that you are making mountain of mole
Pl
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Ravi
It has created a big issue for me personally.
As my name was dragged in as Clive made the comment on my wall and some of my comments there have been misconstrued.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Sir, unnecessarily my time is being wated
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Ravi
So I am worried about clearing my NAME.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
wasted
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Ravi
Ok. Then we will have to see whether complaints to Facebook and cyber police will help.
I am sorry it has come to that. But I have been framed.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Tell me why do you keep threatening me that you will make compaint against me.  I am asking you what and why me.
What I have done
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Ravi
I need to protect my fair name and reputation.
The horrible thing is put up on your Facebook post.
You can delete it.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
You may please protect yourself
What is that I have to delete
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Ravi
Fine, I will take you answer as you being non-cooperative.
And we will explore Facebook and legal including cyber police complaint avenues to seek redressal.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Against me is it
I am asking you what is that you are talking about that should be deleted
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Ravi
I have offered to help you.
YOu are saying yo don't have time.
Now I will help you.
I don't want to make a complaint against you sir.
I have regard for you.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Do you remember last week or so when that Parthi Resident tried to create a rift between you and me, I said that no one can come between us and so on
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Ravi
But my name has been dragged in the mud.
Sir, I have been FRAMED.
by Parthi Resident on your Facebook post
You don't udnerstand that.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
My name was dragged time and again by the fellow called Clive
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Ravi
So I have to consider such things to protect myself.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I dont have any respect for that guy
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Ravi
That's fine.
But I am worried about my name.
That's the issue.
If it was Clive alone I would not get involved.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Shall I tell you that you are just presuming that I know what the problem is.
I dont know what you are talking about at all
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Ravi
No sir.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I have not gone through any of the comments today at all
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Ravi
I am offering to help you to find the problem on YOUR POST.
If you do so  then I don't have to seek alternative avenues.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Ok
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Ravi
Shall I tell you the post first.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Go ahead
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Ravi
This is the post: --Mr. Ganti's post-link-snipped--
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I have been out since morning 8 am and now it is going to be 9.45 pm
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Ravi
And thank you very much sir for your cooperation.
Please go that post sir.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Ok
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Ravi
Are you on tha tpost?
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Vr Ganti
Vr
that window is also open
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Ravi
Ok sir.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I am now chatting with you and so that window is open
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Ravi
See Parthi Resident comment, 11 hours ago ...
with text, "Parthi Resident This is how they bitch about Ratnakar in private but suddenly pretend to praise him in public. Two faced people.. Only Ganti Sir has the courage to stand up against Rantnakar."
This comment also has the offending pic.
Your response to it was, " OMG, I am totally shocked. Anyway, let me ignore and start with my work. Today is Chinese New Year Spiritual Retreat"
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Yes I remember this
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Ravi
Can you scroll to the comment and see the screenshot?
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Vr Ganti
Vr

[Edit Note: Image-not-copy-pasted here but attached to this Facebook post with offensive comment shaded.]
Ids this one
Are you talking of this one
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Ravi
Yes sir.
This is the offending pic.
Some info. about it.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
That is when I said, OMG.
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Ravi
One: Clive Raj Valydon says his a/c was hijacked and he did not make that comment.
Did you get that sir.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Wait Wait
Clive said these type of comments in the past
Adn that is when I blcoked
Clive is capable of saying all this non-sense
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Ravi
OK. Listen to me further sir.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Go ahead
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Ravi
The next comment has my name.
It seems as if I am support Clive's statement, is it not?
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Vr Ganti
Vr
First of all, such excahnge took place between you and clive or not
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Ravi
Yes it did. Please see attached pic. [Edit-note: That pic did not get copy-pasted here. I have attached it separately to this Facebook post. end-edit-note]
I have deleted Clive's offensive comment.
But note that what I wrote earlier was clipped by Parthi Resident.
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Ravi
The comment from Clive which was offensive and which I deleted (which unfortunately is put up on Mr. Ganti's post here) was perhaps between my two comments, "Satish has shown a lot of courage in exposing Muddenhalli group. I will never forget that." and "In fact, that is why I am a very strong supporter of Satish." Both Clive and I were typing message quickly in short bursts and so Clive's message got in between my two messages above.
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Ravi
My second comment above was a continuation of my earlier comment and UNRELATED to what Clive said about RJR.
My comments after my second comment mentioned above, relate to my reaction to Clive's comment about RJR starting with my comment "Oops! I cannot leave such comments on my post, bro. "
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Ravi
Did you get that sir?
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I dont understand at all
Tell me something
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Ravi
See sir, my comment referencing Satish ..
no sir please listen ..
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Wait Sir'
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Ravi
OK.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
The chat which featured here - Clive and You - is that something which has happend or not
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Ravi
Yes, but 1) one comment is doctored out.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Yes or no
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Ravi
2) previous comment of mine is removed.
to give out-of-context meaning.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I see
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Ravi
Shall I show you doctored part?
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Vr Ganti
Vr
So what you are saying is that the chat was doctored and was put up by this Parthi Resident is it
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Ravi
Part doctored, part out-of-context.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Out of context is nothing serious
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Ravi
Yes it is.
Because of the allegation Parthi Resident makes
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Doctoring something and saying that you said something which you did not is the issue
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Ravi
This is how they bitch about Ratnakar in private but suddenly pretend to praise him in public. Two faced people.
Did you get that.
That is a reference to ME.
So it is a defamation issue for me.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Ok, then file a case against Parthi Resident
Why me
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Ravi
Because you are the publisher.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Ha Ha Ha
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Ravi
Publisher is also liable for defamation as per my view.
You may have a different view.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
How do you say that I am publisher
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Ravi
Ultimately it is Facebook and cyber police view that will matter.
OK sir.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Facebook account is an open book and anybody can make comment
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Ravi
About doctored part.
You want to see.
Yes or no.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
And just because they put that comment which may be wrong, I cannot be punished.
Which country's law does that Sir
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Ravi
So you don't want to delete Parthi REsident obnoxious comment against RJR.
Fine.
I dont' think there is anything more to discuss.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
He put something which clive and you chatted right or wrong
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Ravi
We will consider whatever options are open to us.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
May be part of it is doctored which is not correct
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Ravi
There is no point in carrying on the conversation further.
You refuse to take responsibility for obnoxious comments of Parhti Resident .
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I can join you in filing a case along with you
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Ravi
Fine .
Let us see what FAcebook says and what cybe plice says.
All the best sir.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I am not taking responsibility at all
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Ravi
let Sathya & Dharma win.
Sathyameva Jayate!
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I am not responsible at all
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Ravi
I will also be unfriending and blocking you, sir.
Thanks for the good times.
Good bye.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Ok
Thanks and you are an unreasonble guy.  At least today
I am not at all in the wrong
Sir, I will continue to write with reference to the Subbiah Medical College
I may block Parthi Resident, that is different matter all together
What you are doing is you are doing some sort of coersion
Threatening me.  And I dont know for what
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Ravi
You don't know the responsibility of being a Facebook account publisher.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
If Parthi Resident has put a comment which appears to be true conversation between you and Clive, why should I be penalized.
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Ravi
What Sathya & Dharma ar eyou talking about.
You are supporting Asathya & Adharma of Parthi Resident.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Ha Ha
No I am not supporting Parthi Resident at all
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Ravi
You will surely face the karmic consequences of promoting such negativity.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I told you before, that when that guy wanted a rigft between two of us, I told him very clearly that it will not happen
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Ravi
I don't think there is anything more to discuss sir.
Let us not vitiate our relationship further.
Perhaps all action will be done by FAcebook or cyber police when we complain ..
against only Parhti Resident ...
but we will have to mention that you did not cooperate ...
and said you are not resonsible in any wya...
and refused to delete the comment.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I am not Sir.  Already all the people like Clive, Terry, Lakshmi, Shubha and many others think that I am a supporter of Mhalli and they all behave as though I am culprit
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Ravi
What I have said above is the truth.
See sir, I don't know about others.
I am responsible for my actions.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Cool down Sir
Cool down
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Ravi
And will face the karmic consequences as well as worldy consequences o fmy acitons.
If you find anything where I have been unfair to you ...
do tell me.
I have even delted comments that were offensive against you from my FB post.
I did nto say I am not responsible for --name-snip-- ..
or whoever's comments against you.
I follow a certain ethical standard for comments on my posts.
I am asking the smae from you.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Hey Hey Sir.  Dont threten me.  I dont think I am wrong at all.  I reprimanded Arun when he used bad langugage.  I may do the same with Parthi resident also.
But why are you sort of threatening me
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Ravi
Sir, I have to do my level best to get the comment removed from YOUR FACEBOOK POST.
It is not Parthi REsident's Facebook post.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Ok
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Ravi
As my name has been dragged in and maligned.
Otherwise I would not interfere.
But sir, even if you delete the pic ..
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Tell me whether you chatted with Clive those or not
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Ravi
I will have to block you.
As my situation has become very sensitive in Parhti today.
due to this comment.
[--offensive comment snipped--]
About a trustee!
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Vr Ganti
Vr
That is because you did chat with Clive on those lines, is it not
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Ravi
RJR would have been furiosu.
NO.
Please point out where I have done so.
I immediately told Clive that I will delete the comment and deleted it within minutes.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Tell me who said that
Clive or you or Satish
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Ravi
It was written by Clive.
he says his a/c was hijacked.
I don't know.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Then why are you worried
Clive should be worried right
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Ravi
As soon as I saw it I said it should be deleted.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I will do one thing
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Ravi
And then deleted it.
Sir, you don't know Parhti life.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I will cut paste and send it to Rathnakar
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Ravi
No. You will put salt on my wounds.
Sir, OK. I think it is time to say Goodbye.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Why are you worried
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Ravi
You don't want to help me.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Clive said similar thing in the past when he was a freind with me
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Ravi
YOu want me to get into problems with RJR.
Sorry sir.
I am clearly seeing that you don't want to help.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I will never put you into trouble
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Ravi
So no point in continuing th conversation further.
You don't k now how horrible today was for me.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
But you should know that Clive is the guy who will be in trouble
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Ravi
And you are not cooperating in removing the comment.
Clive lives in UK.
I live in Puttaparhti ...
not Singapore or UK.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Clive is not a good man and I know for sure
Tell me one thing, if I remove it from my wall, Parthi Resident guy still has that with him and he can do something on future date as well
So what are you talking about.
Dont be silly
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Ravi
OK sir. Bye.
All the best.
I will block you shortly.
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Vr Ganti
Vr
Good night
The Karmic reactions is what you have to face my dear Sir.  Not me
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Ravi
Ha! Ha!
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I have been always respecting you
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Ravi
Bte
Bye
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Vr Ganti
Vr
I supported you time and again
But today you are threatening me for no reason, why
I will publish an appropriate note soon on this matter as well
In the note, I will write good about you.

--- End of Facebook chat between Mr. V.R. Ganti and me ----

Ravi: BTW I unfriended and blocked Mr. Ganti yesterday night after this chat exchange.

Some thoughts of mine about this Facebook chat above:

Mr. Ganti knew he had got me in a corner. How I tried - cajoled, pleaded, threatened .. Nothing worked.

I think he was salivating that he had Clive and Satish, ***fixed*** by Parthi Resident.

If it had been only me I think he may have deleted the comment. But he wanted his revenge on Clive and Satish and RJR. So he could not let that pass. I think Ganti hates some people and that hatred is what drives him in such stuff.

It is Maharabharata war stuff except at emotional level and not physical - so far at least, thankfully.
...

Mr. Ganti certainly did a number on me by refusing to delete the offending comment. Somebody said something about Ganti saying that Clive & Iyer chat proves Parthi Resident is right or something like that. I don't know - I have blocked Ganti and don't want to even see his comments now.

I have got royally **fixed** by Parthi Resident and Ganti along with either the carelessness of Clive Raj Valydon in putting up that comment OR the person who hacked Clive's a/c doing so.

Some locals may want to/will paint me as the villain and not as somebody who was misrepresented by Parthi Resident. That's typical Parthi life. If you get embroiled in some bad thing, the very mention of your  name or your presence there is enough! People will blame you. This was the case even before Mahsamadhi. Bhagavan would be above that. But at lower levels this was the issue. So, typically, nobody would take initiative fearing the harsh reactions when such problems happen.

Such is Parthi life!



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Some comments on above post:

Shubha Ramesh Kumar wrote:
Irrespective of what we choose to write, when something nasty and unethical is posted, one would typically rise above all differences and get rid of it, it shouldn't require another person repeatedly requesting one to do so. Unfortunately nothing truthful or dharmic about that..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks Shubha Ramesh Kumar for your supportive comment. I agree entirely with you.
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Shankar Narayan wrote:
Is this what you people learnt from the Lord with whom you all had a close proximity.... Shame on such people... Very disgusting... Very upsetting... Pls stop the war of words... That too in a social network... People laugh at us... We unbecoming of a sai devotee... What name ... What fame... What mud... All nonsense .... Go... Sit across table and finish off whatsoever you all have in your mind... Shame... Shame...
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Shankar Narayan sir, Mr.Ganti lives in Singapore and I live in Puttaparthi. I tried my level best to resolve the problem. Who is acting shamefully here??? Who is the person whose Facebook post has a comment with very bad language allegation about personal aspect of a trustee of SSSCT and close relative of Bhagavan??? It is Mr. Ganti whose post has that. And he is refusing to delete those falsely made charges of fake Facebook id, Parthi Resident.

In my considered view, it is SHAMEFUL of Mr. Ganti to refuse to remove that obnoxious screenshot, having out-of-context comment and doctored content, even though I helped him to locate it. All Mr.Ganti had to do was to delete it (as the Parthi Resident comment is on his post). But he refused to delete it.

Why don't you Shankar Narayan sir, as a Sai devotee, ask Mr. Ganti to delete that obnoxious comment and partially-doctored screenshot of Parthi Resident on Mr. Ganti's post?? If Mr. Ganti agrees to your request and does so, I will then delete this post. What do you say, sir?
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Kiran Chetri Millet wrote:
Sairam Ravi sir. I think it is waste of time. Now we should concentrate in our self and Our Swami He is all pure love. He love us all
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Ap Ramesh wrote:
Iyer sir, Please don't worry. leave it here. let us get on with future work. what you can do over spilt milk?? better clean it and go on. if you open the bandage every day and see if wound is healing, you will end up getting sceptic. you should simply allow healing.Time is the greatest healer. please forget this topic. you will see everything is getting to normal. jai sai ram
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Kiran Chetri Millet madam, Ap Ramesh sir - Thank you for your valuable comments and views.

My nature and professional training and practice is that of an analyst. Earlier when I was associated with the computer software field (18 years international software industry; 9 years as a teacher of s/w lab. courses and as a s/w consultant for projects in Sai university) I used those skills in the software field.

Now as I have got into other areas, including writing on spirituality & religion, I use that same analyst approach.

I was FRAMED by people and painted as anti RJR early morning of 28th Jan. and went through a horrible experience of being doubted by people as saying viciously negative things about RJR. It is my nature to analyse and investigate what and who were behind this, using both my logical skills, and as this happened on Internet, my knowledge of the Internet. And then I have this quest for justice when injustice is done to me. That's also part of my nature.

In this post I have EXPOSED Mr. V.R. Ganti's clear lack of willingness to delete obnoxious comment against RJR which I explained to him was part out-of-context and part doctored. Anybody who wants to get deep into the matter will see that Mr. Ganti has refused to understand the issue and acted in an Asathya & Adharma way. That is my way of getting social media justice against Mr. Ganti's action. So I don't view it as a waste of time or as crying over spilt milk. Further, this documentation may help me in future if I want to refer back to this situation.

Next I will be posting about Arun Srinivas role in this and deliver social media justice to him.
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7) The vicious words of Arun Srinivas, Muddenahalli school alumnus, against Clive, Satish and myself (and Terry), and his vicious enmity towards RJR; Arun Srinivas should apologize to RJR,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1855427624673806 dated January 30th at 12:07 AM

I would like to warn all my Facebook friends and followers as well as other readers who come across this post, about Arun Srinivas, alumnus of Muddenahalli school, who had said he lives in Bangalore. Arun Srinivas (ArSr) is DEAD AGAINST RJR (Shri R.J. Rathnakar), and will stoop to any level in his words, against persons who have supported RJR in the past for any matter. ArSr seems to be trying to create problems for RJR and anybody who supports RJR. Very unfortunately, Mr. V.R. Ganti seems to be actively collaborating with ArSr in this matter.

I have made the above statements based on my experience with ArSr over the past few months, especially the past few weeks. Note that I have supported, on social media, some Dharmic actions of RJR as SSSCT trustee for which he came under vicious attack on social media, in 2015 and 2016. Brothers Clive Raj Valydon and Satish Naik are well known for being supportive of RJR on social media. That seems to have made the three of us a target for vicious attack by ArSr along with false charges by fake Facebook user Parthi Resident, and which seems to have found a welcome place in Mr. Ganti's Facebook posts as comments to be read by his readers.

Let me provide some data to back my strong statements against ArSr. Please see attached pic having comments of ArSr on Mr. Ganti's post some days ago. I have edited the pic to blank out human waste related gutter-level language of ArSr. But I do have the original screenshot with the human waste related gutter-level language which I can use to prove my statements to any genuine truth-seeker in this matter, or, if required, in an Indian court of law or to Indian cyber police.

As one can see from the attached pic, Parthi Resident made the false allegation that I am being financed by RJR for writing against MDH. Parthi Resident also included the names of Satish Naik and Terry Reis Kennedy in this allegation. Parthi Resident reproduced a comment of A.P. Ramesh who used strong language against Mr. Ganti and a person from Bangalore which ArSr may have considered to be a reference to himself (ArSr).

ArSr then lashed out wildly against not only A.P. Ramesh but also myself (Ravi), Terry (Reis Kennedy) and Satish Naik. I don't want to repeat the horrible words he used against us here but readers can see it in the attached pic.

I protested against the harsh words of ArSr and asked Ganti to delete ArSr's comment(s) but Ganti was not willing to delete the comments. Ganti told ArSr to mind his language and left it that without deleting the comments. My Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854174248132477, dated Jan. 27th 2017 captures my comment exchange with Mr. Ganti on this matter.

As I have been a teacher & staff in the Sai university, Prasanthi Nilayam campus (FREE SERVICE from Jan. 2003 to Mar. 2012 with designations of Honorary Staff, Honorary Faculty and Visiting Faculty), I was particularly shocked that an alumnus of a Sai school would use such words. Here's a sentence from a comment of mine from my FB post mentioned earlier: "Further, the DISGUSTING and VILE words used by Arun Srinivas is utterly unbecoming of any Sai devotee or alumnus of Sai school."

I had also said in a public comment that I might consider making a cyber police complaint and legal action if the comments were not deleted.

Meanwhile A.P. Ramesh mentioned on Terry's post that his brother is DySP in cyber police department and that Terry could consider making a cyber police complaint.

Another Muddenahalli alumnus living in Puttaparthi publicly commented tagging ArSr that he knew that I and Terry are NOT financed by RJR.

Suddenly there was a change of heart in ArSr. He apologized publicly to me (and Terry and Satish, if I recall correctly), and deleted his offensive comments from Ganti's post (whose screenshot pic I have given in this post).

A comment of mine in my above mentioned post captures ArSr's apology. It was made on Jan. 27th 2017 at 10.03pm. I have reproduced it below:

On FB post https://www.facebook.com/terry.reiskennedy/posts/10212108501566607 I saw the following comment by Arun Srinivas (1 hr ago): "Chiran Basnet......I have deleted the comment what I had written....If Terry or satish naik or ravi iyer felt it was for them....I apologise as it never meant for them and that too for a lady I will never use such a language."

I then checked on Vr Ganti's post and saw that indeed Arun Srinivas has deleted those comments. I also appreciate very much that brother Arun Srinivas has apologized for the language (though he says it was not meant for me or Terry Reis Kennedy or Satish Naik). I do not want to debate the matter further.

I thank Arun Srinivas for his corrective action of deletion of comment. I will unblock him from Facebook shortly. Thanks to Chiran Basnet for intervening in this matter which perhaps helped in Arun Srinivas taking the corrective action.

--- end my comment from my above mentioned FB post ---

I was not fully convinced of ArSr's apology as in his apology he claimed that he never intended those horrible words at me, Terry and Satish (if I recall correctly). That does not match with the words he used in his comments as can be seen in the attached screenshot pic. But as ArSr was a Sai school alumnus and another Muddenhalli school alumnus was referring to him as Arun Srinivas sir and generally treating him with respect, I felt it appropriate as a former (software lab. course) teacher in the Sai university, that I should follow the norm of accepting the apology and putting the matter behind us.

Later that night itself (Jan. 27th), it struck me that, in all probability, ArSr read that A.P. Ramesh comment saying that his brother is DySP of cyber police dept (in Andhra Pradesh, one presumes). He also would have read my comment about me possibly considering cyber police complaint and legal action. Now ArSr is a real person in Bangalore - he has even phoned me in the past and we had long phone exchanges. So he would have got scared with this possibility and so backed off, deleted the comments, apologized, and acted as if he is an angelic Sai school student.

Next day, Jan. 28th 2017, I had to completely devote, from the time I woke up in the morning till late night, to the BOMBSHELL of fake Facebook user Parthi Resident's comment on Ganti's post, which (Parthi Resident comment) falsely and in a brilliantly evil way, used out-of-context and a partially-doctored screenshot having an obnoxious comment referring to RJR, which I had deleted within minutes, from my Facebook wall. For more details about it one can read the post, My DEMAND to Mr. V.R. Ganti to delete Parthi Resident screenshot having obnoxious comment on RJR by Clive, which I DELETED within minutes, from my wall, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854605018089400.

It also was a horrible day for me which I tried to capture in this Facebook post, Horrible day for me today as I was FRAMED by seemingly paid dirty tricks anti-RJR Facebook fake Id, Parthi Resident, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854747754741793.

For convenience of readers, I have attached two related pics to this post. First is Parthi Resident's comment and out-of-context & doctored screenshot but with obnoxious comment part blanked out. Another is of my related Facebook post comment exchange where the obnoxious comment does not appear as I had deleted it in Facebook itself.

Now the obnoxious comment was made in Clive Raj Valydon's name but as information to be conveyed to RJR. Clive said later that his a/c was hacked/hijacked. For the purposes of this discussion I will presume that Clive made the comments.

Clive actually wanted RJR to know that Arun Srinivas is spreading nasty and vicious personal level things about RJR. That was the intent of Clive's comment on my post when I was having an exchange with him. But as we were also discussing about how Satish Naik had been very loyal to Prasanthi Nilayam, by mistake, Clive took Satish's name instead of Arun. In the very next comment that Clive made, Clive attempted to correct it by saying, "This arun told" [The evil fraudster Parthi Resident cut out this comment in the screenshot using some doctoring techniques which even I can do with as simple a tool as Microsoft Paint program. But that comment of Clive can be seen in attached pic of my Facebook post comment exchange.]

My reaction was that I did not want to discuss such matters on my wall, as it was about a nasty and vicious personal level comment against RJR made by Arun Srinivas (and not Satish). So I focused on getting Clive's OK to delete it and then deleted it, within a minute or two of that comment having been made. I did not want to offend Clive by deleting it without telling him.

Neither Clive nor I had even the slightest inkling that Parthi Resident or his friend(s) were watching/monitoring our public conversation at that time itself. And so Parthi Resident or his friend(s) got the screenshot, doctored it and made the horrific allegations against Clive, Satish and me that we are secretly against RJR.

Now who is real culprit here who is saying nasty things about RJR. According to Clive it is Arun Srinivas. I believe Clive in this matter. I know that Arun Srinivas is DEAD AGAINST RJR from some public comments he has made on Facebook. And given what horrendous language he used against Terry, Satish and me, and A.P. Ramesh, I surely can imagine Arun Srinivas saying such things about RJR.

To conclude this analysis, I believe it is Arun Srinivas, alumnus of Muddenahalli school, who was saying such nasty and vicious personal things against RJR (Shri R.J. Rathnakar), a close relative of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba who was appointed as SSSCT trustee by Bhagavan himself. Clive wanted to warn RJR about this but Clive should have done it in a PRIVATE exchange with persons who would pass on the info. to RJR and NOT in public.

Therefore my considered view is that Arun Srinivas MUST apologize to RJR (Shri R.J. Rathnakar) and promise to RJR that he will NEVER EVER say such things again about him even in private, let alone in public.




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Some comments from above post:

Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Mr ganti says he doesn't like me cause I use bad language.
But when I was in one of his chat groups he used come running to me when someone used to attack him.
He would often call me up also and tell me things he wanted me to do for him.
W
One of them was blow this guy out the water for me.
He encouraged me to use bad language and I have it on text also.
Now he says he doesn't like me cause I use bad language.
It's not true
The reason he doesnt like me is cause I didn't support his attack on swami nephew rathnakar

I stood up for rathnakar and I kicked ganti anyway from my side so quick without a second thought even his friends also such as sudhir Joshi all of whom want to damage rathnakar

If Mr ganti doesn't like me cause I stood by ratnaka then that's fine by me.
Mr rathnakar is a very very great man And ganti cannot even be compared to the dust of rathnakar feet

Aum Sai Ram
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Brother Clive Raj Valydon, Thanks for your comment. Let me state here that I CERTIFY that Clive is a LOYAL supporter of Prasanthi Nilayam and Shri R.J. Rathnakar. Further, Clive had always shown the guts and courage to take the fight to Muddenahalli group when they attacked Puttaparthi supporters on social media. Therefore I view brother Clive Raj Valydon as a valuable supporter of Prasanthi Nilayam & Puttaparthi.

I further am not surprised that Mr. Ganti tried to get Clive to oppose RJR. Instead Clive stood up for RJR and said harsh words against Mr. Ganti which may have been a significant reason for Mr. Ganti to oppose Clive.
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
One of the first things ganti said to me when he first started to read .y comments is he private messages me and said I admire your balls and your fire.
We could do with someone like you.

This he told to me.
Now he doesn't like me.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Clive Raj Valydon, I deleted your previous comment. Don't put out nasty words that Ganti said about RJR here. That can be used against us like Parthi Resident did around two days back. Did you understand?
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Ok
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Ravi Raj Salyankar wrote:
I am totally astonished that Mr Ganti an elder .. supposedly a realised dharma following Sai devotee... he should have been the first one to douse these flare ups between younger men .. and taken immediate action as regard to ravi iyers repeated pleas bringing to his notice the doctored & edited screen shot and should have deleted the same containing offensive vulgar comments deliberately put up with sheer hate by some faceless parthi resident for not upholding their belief in madhusudan claims and who are going ahead with exposing the subtle drama .. as Ganti has refused to delete the same & has not done it .. Ganti should be avoided like the deadly plague ... guess u all know what that means !!!
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks brother Ravi Raj Salyankar for your supportive comment.
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Ravi Raj Salyankar wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer Ganti has lost it ... katham
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8) How should I now approach seeking justice for false charges made by Parthi Resident against me on Mr. Ganti's Facebook post? Cyber-police complaint and/or Facebook complaint and/or something else? Please advise., https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1855695754646993 dated January 30th at 3:54pm

My following public posts document how Parthi Resident used out-of-context and doctored screenshot of my Facebook conversation with Clive Raj Valydon, along with a comment from him, to make a false charge that I am against RJR, and how Mr. Ganti refused to delete Parthi Resident's offending screenshot from his Facebook post:

a) My DEMAND to Mr. V.R. Ganti to delete Parthi Resident screenshot having obnoxious comment on RJR by Clive, which I DELETED within minutes, from my wall, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854605018089400, dated Jan. 28th 2017

b) Horrible day for me today as I was FRAMED by seemingly paid dirty tricks anti-RJR Facebook fake Id, Parthi Resident, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854747754741793, dated Jan. 28th 2017

c) How Mr. Ganti refused to delete Parthi Resident's offensive part out-of-context, part doctored screenshot, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1855193058030596, dated Jan. 29th 2017

As of now, I think I should seriously consider making both a cyber-police complaint as well as complaint to Facebook on this matter. But I have never made a cyber-police complaint nor have I have complained to Facebook so far, if I recall correctly. So, I also need to know how to go about making these complaints.

1) Cyber-police complaint: This link of the Crime Investigation Department, Andhra Pradesh website, seems to show the process to make a cyber-police complaint online: http://www.cidap.gov.in/cid/complaint. It has a Cyber-crime section and option. Cyber stalking (Use of the Internet or other electronic means to harass an individual or organization) seems to be the relevant crime committed against me, in this case. My main complaint for Cyber stalking would be against fake Facebook user Parthi Resident. This would be accompanied by an aiding and abetting complaint against Mr. Ganti for refusing to delete Parthi Resident's offensive comment from his (Mr. Ganti's) post.

2) Facebook complaint: I did some browsing on how to make a complaint to Facebook.

How to Report Things, https://www.facebook.com/help/www/181495968648557, seems to be the main official Facebook help page for making complaints ("reporting things").

As I have blocked Parthi Resident and Mr. V.R. Ganti I may have to use the "Something I Can't See" option. That directs me to fill the form here: https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/274459462613911 ("Report Something on Facebook"). In that form, "Bullying or harassment" seems to be the option that best describes what Parthi Resident did to me, which was aided and abetted by Mr. V.R. Ganti as he refused to delete Parthi Resident's offensive against me comment.
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I seek the advice of interested Facebook friends on this matter.
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9) Suggestions I received to get Parthi Resident screenshot removed from Mr. Ganti's post,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1855764897973412

The following was conveyed to me by a Facebook friend (who was OK with public sharing of it):

Sairam Sir, I just read some of your posts. I am sorry to hear what happened. This is a small suggestion as I have used this (option) to help remove unwanted comment. If you go on a particular comment and click on the extreme right corner you will find an option called "Report". If a few of your friends (With your request) can go to that particular comment and report to Facebook explaining the situation. Facebook will remove the comment by themselves.

This option is also used when people use fake accounts etc. Where people can collectively report to Facebook about it. Hope that helps. Sairam
...

If this option doesn't work after a few days, then you can take the more extreme step of cyber police complaint.
--- end Facebook friend's messages ---

Ravi: I thanked him for the above suggestions, and for providing approval to share publicly.
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The information I have given below may interested Facebook users to locate the offensive comment.

The offensive comment is in the Facebook post - --snip--

Full link in text but without initial http and www.facebook.com part:
--snip--

The comment can be identified by the username of the commenter, "Parthi Resident" with the time stamp 27 January at 14:44 (timestamp could change later if edited). The comment has the text, "This is how they bitch about Ratnakar in private but suddenly pretend to praise him in public. Two faced people.. Only Ganti Sir has the courage to stand up against Rantnakar." It also has the offensive part-out-of-context and part-doctored screenshot (picture).

The offensive screenshot picture can be seen separately by clicking on it, along with the associated comment. The link for seeing only that offensive screenshot pic and the associated comment is --snip--.

Full link in text but without initial http and www.facebook.com part:
--snip--

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10) Complaint to be made to Facebook and/or cyber police about Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu and Mr. Ganti, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1855913707958531 dated Jan. 31 at 1.07am

[Update: Parthi Resident changed his name to Venkatesh Babu perhaps sometime today, 31st Jan. 2017.]

I think it is important to draft an effective complaint which can be made to Facebook and/or cyber police. Given below is what I have come up with. Any suggestions are welcome.

Facebook user "Parthi Resident"/"Venkatesh Babu" misrepresented and doctored a screenshot taken of Facebook comment exchanges on my Facebook post https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854174248132477, to falsely charge me (and others) as "bitch"ing about (viciously criticizing) Shri R.J. Rathnakar. This false charge with misrepresentation and doctored screenshot led to severe misunderstanding between me and supporters of Shri R.J. Rathnakar, which caused me a lot of trauma and required me to do a lot of effort to show that the charges made against me by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu in his comment along with screenshot, are false.

The first attached pic with description "How Parthi Resident misrepresented and doctored screenshot" attempts to explain pictorially the misrepresentation and doctoring done by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu to create a false impression about me (that I am against Shri R.J. Rathnakar).

The relevant comments were made under the following branch comment in the above mentioned Facebook post of mine:
Clive Raj Valydon No I didnt he blocked me
[Time stamp of comment: January 27 at 5:17pm]

The original comments (with offensive comment snipped) on my Facebook post were as given below. Note that I have added a comment number for reference which is not part of the Facebook comment exchange, and provided the timestamp of the comment in square brackets after the comment. Also note that the first part of each comment is the Facebook username of the person making the comment:

1) Clive Raj Valydon Arun is against ratnaka sir [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:23pm]

2) Ravi S. Iyer Satish has shown a lot of courage in exposing Muddenhalli group. I will never forget that. [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:23pm]

3) Clive Raj Valydon Satish told --snipped-offensive-comment-about-Mr.R.J.Rathnakar--

4) Ravi S. Iyer In fact, that is why I am a very strong supporter of Satish. [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:24pm]

5) Clive Raj Valydon This arun told [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:24pm]

6) Ravi S. Iyer Oops! I cannot leave such comments on my post, bro. Clive Raj Valydon. [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:24pm]

7) Ravi S. Iyer So I will delete them shortly. Please don't mind. [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:25pm]

8) Clive Raj Valydon Sir leave it for ratnaka to see pls [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:25pm]
---end original comments---

I (Ravi S. Iyer) deleted comment 3 above, as it had offensive language, at around 6:26 pm on January 27 (around 3 minutes after the comment was made).

Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu put up a screenshot related to the comment exchange above on Mr. Ganti's Facebook post, --snip--. Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu conveyed a false impression with the screenshot as follows:

A) Misrepesentation: Parthi Resident's/Venkatesh Babu's screenshot covered comments 3 to 8 above. My (Ravi S. Iyer's) comment 4 made at 6:24 pm was a continuation of my comment 2 made at 6:23 pm AND NOT related to comment 3 of Clive Raj Valydon. By not having the screenshot start at comment 2, Parthi Resident allowed an impression to be created that my comment 4 was in response to comment 3 of Clive. It would not typically strike a viewer of Parthi Resident's screenshot that my comment 4 may not be in response to comment 3 of Clive but an earlier comment just before comment 3 of Clive.

B) Doctoring: Parthi Resident's/Venkatesh Babu's screenshot cuts out comment 5 of Clive Raj Valydon and falsely gives the impression that comment 4 is followed by comment 6! Comment 5 of Clive Ray Valydon is an attempt by Clive to correct initial part of comment 3 from "Satish told" to "arun told". As this comment 5 would have interfered with the false impression and false charge that Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu was making against me (and Clive), Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu doctored the screenshot!!

Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu put up this screenshot with above misrepresentation and doctoring with the following comment, "This is how they bitch about Ratnakar in private but suddenly pretend to praise him in public. Two faced people.. Only Ganti Sir has the courage to stand up against Rantnakar." The second attached pic with description "Parthi Resident Comment and Ganti comment" shows that comment with a low resolution screenshot with the offensive comment part about Shri R.J. Rathnakar blanked out.

This explanation clearly shows that Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu used misrepresentation and fabrication (doctoring) of a screenshot of my Facebook post comment exchange involving me, and painted a false impression about me that I am against Shri R.J. Rathnakar.

Therefore I request concerned moderators/authorities in Facebook to delete this maliciously misrepresented and doctored screenshot and associated comment, making a FALSE CHARGE against me in an attempt to paint me as an enemy saying very bad things about Shri R.J.Rathnakar.

I would also like to inform Facebook authorities that I tried very hard to convince Mr. V.R. Ganti to remove this malicious and offensive comment of Parthi Resident from his post. But he refused to do so stating that he has NO RESPONSIBILITY towards comments made by others on his Facebook post.

[Note that I can use a slightly edited version of the above post contents for my cyber police complaint.]



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11) Parthi Resident has changed his name to Venkatesh Babu! Shared a pic of his and other students with Swami!, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1856177154598853 dated January 31 at 2:38pm

I just checked Mr. Ganti's post having the doctored and misrepresented comment having offensive language. The comment is still there but instead of  Parthi Resident name, it has changed to Venkatesh Babu. Please see attached pic.

Very fortunately, Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu got into a public conversation with Clive Raj Valydon on this post of Clive (where he shared a post of Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu), https://www.facebook.com/sathyanarayana.raju.9/posts/954577248012093, dated Jan. 30th 2017

In a set of comment exchanges with Clive in that post, Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu shared a pic of Swami with students (pic is attached) with the following comment, "here is a pic of me.. standing right next to left of Swami".

I request Sai alumni Facebook friends and followers to confirm the identity of Venkatesh Babu as per his words and pic above. If we are able to locate the real person behind Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu and he is Sai school/university student then perhaps some peers and elders could advise him to remove his offensive comment and pic from Mr. Ganti's post and anywhere else he has put it.

But we don't know whether these words of Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu are true. I mean, it could be a bluff.

Now I would like to convey something to Parthi Resident alias Venkatesh Babu. I think I have strong evidence and a strong case to be made against him to Andhra Pradesh cyber police. If Andhra Pradesh police contact Facebook for this case, I think that Facebook will provide them with location details about Parthi Resident based on his activity history along with I.P. addresses. Now if Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu is living in India then cyber police will be able to book him for cyber stalking as well as fabrication/fraud and misrepresentation aimed at malicious defamation of me.

But if he is living outside India e.g South Africa (and is of a different nationality) and that is what Facebook's location records of his Facebook activity show, then I don't know how Andhra Pradesh cyber police will handle this matter. Will they forward the details to South African cyber police? Or will they drop it as an out of their jurisdiction case? But even then perhaps they will ask Facebook to initiate some action against Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu's account or at least remove that comment of his.

I hope that I don't have to make a cyber police complaint and that Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu removes his offensive comment and screenshot which is doctored and misrepresents me. But if Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu insists on retaining that comment (and any similar comment elsewhere on Facebook that comes to my notice), I will have no option but to make a cyber police complaint against him, to protect my fair name and reputation.

[Deliberately omitted to include pics as one is similar to a previous pic, and I did not want to include the other pic here.]
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Given below are some comment exchanges from above post.

Ap Ramesh wrote:
i have asked my brother who is dysp in cyber crime department and he wanted a formal complaint. any one of us can do it.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thank you so much Ap Ramesh sir for this info. I would like to give some time for Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu to respond by removing the screenshot and comment from Ganti's post. If he does not then I will seek your help & guidance in making the cyber police complaint.
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Ap Ramesh wrote:
Iyer sir, did you unblock ganti? how could you see his wall after blocking?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ap Ramesh sir, I have the link/url of that post of Ganti. I open that link in Chrome browser incognito window on my PC. In incognito window it forgets the Facebook login that I am using in my regular Chrome browser window. And as Ganti's post is PUBLIC access I am able to see it then in the incognito window.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
And I have NOT unblocked Ganti. But to see Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu's comments on Clive's post, I unblocked him. Otherwise I would have needed the link of Clive's post to open in incognito Chrome browser window.
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Ap Ramesh wrote:
ganti will be very pleased to know how much he has been able to disturb you. now he will say you cannot stay away from him. .... and all the nonsense. please block him physically ( computer) mentally and spiritually. he is a sub human. we devotees of Baba should not have anything to do with such fallen individuals. jai sai ram
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ap Ramesh sir, I would like to do what I think I can reasonably do to remove that offensive screenshot from Ganti's post. Ganti has a lot of readers - I want it to be removed from his post. For that, I have to keep checking whether it is still there or not. ... I have never ever made a police complaint against anybody. But if Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu does not remove his offensive comment and screenshot maligning me (falsely saying that I am against RJR) then I think I will be making the first police complaint in my life (a cyber police complaint).

So till this matter is resolved, I cannot dismiss that post of Ganti and that offensive comment of Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu from my mind. After all, it is my name and reputation that has been maligned.
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Ap Ramesh wrote:
ok sir . i understand. but think of the name involved.it is about mr.rathnakar. more you make an issue, you are making more people to read the post. my concern is that. jai sai ram
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ap Ramesh sir, If you convey to me that Mr. Rathnakar wants me to drop the matter, I will drop it. But before dropping it, I may confirm through some other channel(s) that Mr. Rathnakar wants me to drop it (for the reason you mentioned or any other reason; I don't need to know the reason).
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Ap Ramesh wrote:
i don't know Mr.ratnakar directly except wishing him,like any other devotee, when he moves about in prasanthinilayam. i admire him for the work he is doing. generally at that young age, people are brash and egoistic. he is simple and seem very decent and dignified. i always feel happy to think how wonderfully Swami has nurtured him. sir, You pray to Swami and do what is right jai sai ram
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ap Ramesh sir. Thanks for your comment. Sir, one of the things I have learned in my life, including my years in international software industry, and as a teacher/staff in the Sai university, is that people who indulge in bad behaviour like what Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu did, of trying to poison the relationship of people who have written in support of Shri RJR in the past (me, Satish & Clive) and Shri RJR, should face the consequences of their actions or cancel out their actions, at least. Classic Shakuni poison tactics is what Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu did!!!

If we consider such actions from Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu now as acceptable and tolerate it, God knows what he might do in future against us. God knows what other people may do, taking inspiration from this Shakuni poison effort of his, in future, to create trouble amongst people who support Prasanthi Nilayam and SSSCT on social media.

If we ensure that Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu either removes the offensive comment & screenshot from Ganti's posts and anywhere else he has put it, then we would show that such bad actions were forced to be withdrawn. We would set the right example.

But if Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu refuses to do so, then I am prepared to file a cyber police complaint against him to force him to do so, and perhaps also face the punishment under Indian Penal Code for such offences. That will teach him and anybody else who is following this activity with an eye of repeating it in future, a lesson that they may have to pay a similar price in future if they do such actions.

That is why I have stopped all other work of mine and am focused single-mindedly on this matter since Jan. 28th when I was falsely, maliciously and viciously FRAMED by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu, in a matter involving very nasty and personal words about RJR, nephew of Bhagavan, and SSSCT trustee.
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12) Reported Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident (and Mr. V.R. Ganti) to Facebook; Status of complaints, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1856634701219765 dated February 1 at 10.55am

Yesterday night I made three complaints to Facebook regarding the false and malicious charge made against me by Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident. I have given below each complaint as mentioned in Facebook support messages to me, and its current status.

1) Facebook support messages with reference to Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident's comment (and photo - screenshot) on Mr. Ganti's Facebook post, are given below:
Your report
Yesterday

You anonymously reported Venkatesh Babu's photo for harassment.
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Thanks for your feedback
Today

Thanks for letting us know about this. We looked over the photo, and though it doesn't go against one of our specific Community Standards, you did the right thing by letting us know about it. No one should have to feel bullied or harassed on Facebook, and we’re sorry you had this experience.

We know the suggestions below may not apply to every situation, but some people have found them helpful in dealing with offensive or bullying posts:

* Remove the person from your Facebook experience. You can learn how to unfriend or block someone in the Help Center.
* Don’t retaliate. Most people who post insulting things are looking for a reaction, so not giving them one may discourage this kind of behavior in the future.
* Reach out to someone. Ask for help from a close friend, family member or teacher who might understand what you're going through.
* If you feel you're in immediate danger, contact your local authorities. You can print or take a screenshot of Facebook posts in case you need to share them later.

--- end Facebook support messages ---

Ravi: So this complaint essentially got nowhere. The problem was that the complaint process itself was very restrictive. I could only choose one of a few options in two forms. I think I chose the options of the matter should not be on Facebook in first form and bullying/harassment in second form. Then I had to click on submit report!!! There was no way for me to provide additional details that the screenshot misrepresented my stand and was doctored, and that the comment was a false and malicious charge against me.

2) Facebook support messages with reference to Mr. Ganti's entire post, are given below:

Your report
Yesterday

You anonymously reported Vr Ganti's post for harassment.
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What to expect now
Yesterday

Thanks for letting us know about something you don't want to see on Facebook. We'll send you a message here in your Support Inbox when we have an update.

--- end Facebook support messages ---

Ravi: Essentially this complaint/report is "IN REVIEW" now. I faced the same issue here that the complaint process itself was very restrictive. I could only choose one of a few options in two forms. I think I chose the options of the matter should not be on Facebook in first form and bullying/harassment in second form. Then I had to click on submit report!!! There was no way for me to provide additional details that my complaint is not about the post content of Mr. V.R. Ganti but against Mr. Ganti's refusal to delete this offending comment of Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident from this post of his (Mr. Ganti) even though I made an earnest plea to him.

3) I found that I could provide details on a form if I chose the option that I could not see the offending comment of Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident. I had to say a white lie of saying I don't have a Facebook account as otherwise the form was not made available to me. The Facebook support messages with reference to this complaint/report are given below. Note that I have --snip--'ed out some small parts of these messages below:

You contacted Facebook: Report Something on Facebook
OPENCase #384900067

What you submitted
Yesterday

What best describes the issue you want to report?
Bullying

Do you have a Facebook account?
No

Links (URLs) to the content
--snip--

When was this content posted?
01/28/2017

Description
A screenshot of comment exchange on my post has been doctored and misrepresented to viciously malign me in above mentioned comment. My Facebook post, "Complaint to be made to Facebook and/or cyber police about Parthi Resident and Mr. Ganti", https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1855913707958531 has the details of the vicious false charges and doctored screenshot. Note that now the username of commenter Parthi Resident has been changed to Venkatesh Babu. Attached pic showing problem.

Your Name (optional)
Ravi S. Iyer

Your email address
[--snip--]

Attachments
HowParthiResidentMisrepresentedNDoctoredScreenshot.jpg
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We sent you a message
Yesterday
Hi,

Hi,

Thanks for your report. We'll review the information you provided and get back to you soon.

In the meantime, you can review our Community Standards to learn more about what is and isn't allowed on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/communitystandards/?ref=CR

Remember that you should contact local law enforcement if you ever feel threatened by something you see on Facebook.

We appreciate your patience.

View updates from your Support Inbox: [--snip--]

Thanks,
The Facebook Team
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We sent you a message
Today
Hi Ravi,

We're sorry you're having a bad experience on Facebook. We want to help, but we need specific information from you to find the specific content you're reporting.

The best way to help us find the specific content you're reporting is to provide the link (URL) to the abusive content. To get the link:

1. Click the date or time link in the post or comment
2. Copy the link in the web address bar

You may need to ask a friend with an account to help you find the link or other information that can help us find the content. Learn more in the Help Center:

https://www.facebook.com/help/276669109081616/?ref=cr

Keep in mind that we won't be able to take action on your report until we can find the content you're reporting.

We apologize for any inconvenience and hope to hear from you so we can help.

View updates from your Support Inbox: [--snip--]

Thanks,

Carla
Facebook
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What you submitted
Today
Hi Carla,

Thank you so much for responding to me quickly.

The issue is a comment by Facebook user Venkatesh Babu (previous username Parthi Resident) which makes a false and malicious charge against me that I am against "Ratnakar" (Shri R.J. Rathnakar) using a misrepresentated AND DOCTORED screenshot of a Facebook conversation on one of my Facebook posts.

This comment by Venkatesh Babu was made on the Facebook post of Mr. V.R. Ganti. This is the link/URL of Mr. V.R. Ganti's post: --snip--.

But note that my complaint is not against the post of Mr. V.R. Ganti but Facebook username Venkatesh Babu's comment on it. Here is the link/URL to that comment on Mr. V.R. Ganti's post: --snip--.

Note that the comment_id as per the URL is "10208639417287518". As of now (1 Feb 2017 around 10:00 AM Indian Standard Time), the timestamp of the comment shows "January 28 at 4:14am · Edited" and is in the name of Venaktesh Babu.

The first comment line in the screenshot, "Clive Raj Valydon --snip--" is the offensive language comment that was mady by Clive Raj Valydon around January 27 (2017) 6:23 PM (as per timestamp on my Facebook post), on one of my Facebook posts. I deleted that comment within around three minutes of it appearing (by around 6:26 PM). But somebody (perhaps Venkatesh Babu whose name then was Parthi Resident) was watching this public conversation and took a screenshot of it BEFORE I deleted the offensive comment.

Later Parthi Resident put up this screenshot on Facebook after clipping an earlier comment of mine from it, lending it to easy misrepresentation of my stand, and REMOVAL of a following comment by Clive Raj Valydon "This arun told" by doctoring the screenshot. Parthi Resident (now Venkatesh Babu) referred this misrepresented and doctored screenshot in his accompanying comment "This is how they bitch about Ratnakar in private but suddenly pretend to praise him in public. Two faced people.. Only Ganti Sir has the courage to stand up against Rantnakar."

This has falsely charged me with being against Mr. R.J. Rathnakar (person referred by Clive in the comment as ratnaka) and being against Mr. R.J. Rathnakar in private. I am deeply offended by the false and malicious charge which has caused me a lot of trauma.

Therefore I ask Facebook to delete the comment. Please note that I had extensive interactions with Mr. V.R. Ganti (on whose post this comment was made) asking him to delete the comment as it is a false and malicious charge against me by Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident but Mr. V.R. Ganti refused to do it and said it is not his responsibility to delete that comment (even though he could do so).

Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident is attacking me deliberately and so I saw no point in asking him to delete his comment. Clive Raj Valydon and others have asked him to do so publicly but he is refusing to do so.

I have put up a public photo explaining how the screenshot uses misrepresentation of the actual comment exchange, and is fabricated: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1855913121291923&set=pcb.1855913707958531&type=3&theater (I have also attached that photo to this message response).

I request Facebook to please consider my request to remove this comment with offensive language and false & malicious charge against me. I will gladly and TRUTHFULLY answer any queries Facebook has in this regard.

Thanks & Regards

Ravi
Attachments
HowParthiResidentMisrepresentedNDoctoredScreenshot.jpg
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--- end Facebook support messages ---

Ravi: The 3rd complaint seems to show some promise of Facebook acting on my complaint, as my above response allowed me to provide details of the complaint. The first complaint (with limited complaint text size) itself had details but perhaps my complaint was not clear enough. Lets hope my response to it, which allowed me to type a longer complaint text than my original complaint, words the same complaint in a way that makes it possible for the Facebook support person (Carla) to understand my complaint.

Any suggestions from you, dear readers, is welcome.
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Update on 2nd Feb. 2017

The 3rd complaint also reached a dead end as Facebook support kept sending me the message on these lines, "Thanks for getting back to us, but unfortunately we still can't find the specific content you're reporting." They eventually closed the case.

I tried to re-open the case with this message to them, "I am shocked that Facebook is saying that they cannot open the link of the comment that I find offensive. I find that the same link that I have sent them multiple times in this interaction, works always for me! I have to just click the link and the offending comment opens up in Chrome browser. I feel so frustrated as I have been maligned and very nasty personal-level words about a leader of my town has been said.

The least that Facebook support should do is tell me which link they are trying to open and cannot open - they should copy-paste the link from my complaint. Then I will have some idea of why they are not able to open the offending comment link that I have sent them."

They responded by closing the case again!

So I guess I have to give up on getting Facebook to do something about this matter.
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Given below are some comments from the above post:

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
As I was reviewing this post I saw that I had made a slight mistake in my long message to Carla-Facebook support staff, "This has falsely charged me with being against Mr. R.J. Rathnakar (person referred by Clive in the comment as ratnaka) and being against Mr. R.J. Rathnakar in private."

It should have been, "This has falsely charged me with being against Mr. R.J. Rathnakar in private (person referred by Clive in the comment as ratnaka)".

But it is a minor issue and does not lead to any significant misunderstanding of my response to Carla. So I will not send a correction message to her (the correction message may confuse her).
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Terry Reis Kennedy wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer, I am so very proud of your hard work and determination to get this humiliation of you reversed. How easy it could have been if Mr. G had simply removed it. You are such a warrior and we who know you and work with you understand what service you are doing for the Mission and Legacy of Sathya Sai Baba. It is pretty easy to be a Bench Warmer and just get involved by making insulting remarks at the opposing side...and behind a mask at that. We are right out front whether or not they like it 24/7. I believe that your wide audience will be relieved, finally, to know when you are relieved of this terrible harassment, this traumatic personal injury. Next step will be Cyber Crimes Unit, if Facebook can't delete the comment..
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Terry Reis Kennedy wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer I just found out that these faceless people and the ones with false names have NO audience of their own. I didn't realize this until I was told last night. That is why they are so keen to get onto our pages where we have thousands of readers and shared readers so that they can prance around and feel important. Thank you again for standing up for what is right, in my view. Sairam.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks a ton for your support and encouragement Terry Reis Kennedy. Interesting observation that the fake Id fellows have no following (or limited following) of their own. So they need others like Mr. Ganti to spread their fraudulent messages.
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13) Proposed Andhra Pradesh cyber police complaint to be made mainly about Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident but also about Mr. V.R. Ganti aiding him,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1856768911206344 dated Feb. 1st at 5:44pm

I have complained to Facebook but only one of my complaints seems to be getting seriously considered. So I have some doubts about whether the complaint will succeed in getting Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident's offensive comment and screenshot removed from Mr. Ganti's post.

So far, I have not got any intimation that anybody knows that Venkatesh Babu (or whatever his real name is) is the person he identified himself as, in the photo he provided of students with Bhagavan. Given this scenario I need to seriously consider making the cyber police complaint. Given below is the draft of a complaint that I plan to make to Andhra Pradesh cyber police tomorrow evening/night (2nd Feb 2017).

I am open to suggestions from readers. I really do not want to make a police complaint but as Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident and Mr. Ganti are being non-cooperative in this matter, I am seeing that I may have no choice but to make a cyber police complaint.

=== Start draft of main part of cyber police complaint ==========================================================

[The fields below are from the online form for Cyber Crime Category in Crime Investigation Department, Andhra Pradesh website: http://www.cidap.gov.in/cid/complaint/CC]

Title:
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Venkatesh Babu (aka Parthi Resident) has viciously maligned me with doctored screenshot and false charge that I am against Shri R.J. Rathnakar

Description
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This complaint is about a comment by Facebook user "Venkatesh Babu", whose earlier name was "Parthi Resident", made on Mr. V.R. Ganti's Facebook post. This is the link/URL of the offending comment: --snip--

In this comment,Facebook user "Parthi Resident"/"Venkatesh Babu" misrepresented and doctored a screenshot taken of Facebook comment exchanges on my Facebook post https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854174248132477, to falsely charge me (and others) as "bitch"ing about (viciously criticizing) Shri R.J. Rathnakar. This false charge with misrepresentation and doctored screenshot led to severe misunderstanding between me and supporters of Shri R.J. Rathnakar, which caused me a lot of trauma and required me to do a lot of effort to show that the charges made against me by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu in his comment along with screenshot, are false.

The first attached pic attempts to explain pictorially the misrepresentation and doctoring done by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu to create a false impression about me (that I am against Shri R.J. Rathnakar). Note that at the time the doctored screenshot was put up, the username of commenter was "Parthi Resident". He/she later changed it to "Venkatesh Babu".

The relevant comments were made under the following branch comment in the above mentioned Facebook post of mine:
Clive Raj Valydon No I didnt he blocked me
[Time stamp of comment: January 27 at 5:17pm]. Comment 1 listed below can be viewed with link/url: https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854174248132477?comment_id=1854178281465407&reply_comment_id=1854206598129242&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R3%22%7D . Clicking on "View more replies" below Comment 1 will show Comments 2 and comments 4 to 8.

The original comments (with offensive comment snipped) on my Facebook post were as given below. Note that I have added a comment number for reference which is not part of the Facebook comment exchange, and provided the timestamp of the comment in square brackets after the comment. Also note that the first part of each comment is the Facebook username of the person making the comment:

1) Clive Raj Valydon Arun is against ratnaka sir [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:23pm]

2) Ravi S. Iyer Satish has shown a lot of courage in exposing Muddenhalli group. I will never forget that. [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:23pm]

3) Clive Raj Valydon Satish told --snipped-offensive-comment-about-Mr.R.J.Rathnakar--

4) Ravi S. Iyer In fact, that is why I am a very strong supporter of Satish. [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:24pm]

5) Clive Raj Valydon This arun told [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:24pm]

6) Ravi S. Iyer Oops! I cannot leave such comments on my post, bro. Clive Raj Valydon. [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:24pm]

7) Ravi S. Iyer So I will delete them shortly. Please don't mind. [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:25pm]

8) Clive Raj Valydon Sir leave it for ratnaka to see pls [Timestamp: January 27 at 6:25pm]
---end original comments---

I (Ravi S. Iyer) deleted comment 3 above, as it had offensive language, at around 6:26 pm on January 27 (around 3 minutes after the comment was made).

Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident put up a screenshot related to the comment exchange above on Mr. Ganti's Facebook post. I repeat the link/URL of this offensive comment (which is what I am complaining about): --snip--
Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident conveyed a false impression with the screenshot as follows:

A) Misrepesentation: Venkatesh Babu's/Parthi Resident's screenshot covered comments 3 to 8 above. My (Ravi S. Iyer's) comment 4 made at 6:24 pm was a continuation of my comment 2 made at 6:23 pm AND NOT related to comment 3 of Clive Raj Valydon. By not having the screenshot start at or include comment 2, Parthi Resident allowed an impression to be created that my comment 4 was in response to comment 3 of Clive. It would not typically strike a viewer of Parthi Resident's screenshot that my comment 4 may not be in response to comment 3 of Clive but an earlier comment just before comment 3 of Clive.

B) Doctoring: Venkatesh Babu's/Parthi Resident's screenshot cuts out comment 5 of Clive Raj Valydon and falsely gives the impression that comment 4 is followed by comment 6! Comment 5 of Clive Raj Valydon is an attempt by Clive to correct initial part of comment 3 from "Satish told" to "arun told". As this comment 5 would have interfered with the false impression and false charge that Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu was making against me (and Satish and Clive), Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu doctored/altered the screenshot by cutting out comment 5!!

Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu put up this screenshot with above misrepresentation and doctoring with the following comment, "This is how they bitch about Ratnakar in private but suddenly pretend to praise him in public. Two faced people.. Only Ganti Sir has the courage to stand up against Rantnakar." The second attached pic shows that comment with a low resolution screenshot with the offensive comment part about Shri R.J. Rathnakar blanked out.

This explanation clearly shows that Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident used misrepresentation and fabrication (doctoring) of a screenshot of my Facebook post comment exchange involving me, and painted a false impression about me that I am against Shri R.J. Rathnakar.

I tried very hard to convince Mr. V.R. Ganti in a chat conversation with him to remove this malicious and offensive comment of Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident from his post. But he refused to do so stating that he has NO RESPONSIBILITY towards comments made by others on his Facebook post.

I made two complaints to Facebook to remove the offending comment of Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident from Mr. V.R. Ganti's post. One such complaint is under review in Facebook. The other complaint was rejected.

I request concerned Cyber Police authorities in Andhra Pradesh Crime Investigation Department (A.P. CID), to look into the matter and ensure that the offending comment of Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident, making a FALSE CHARGE against me in an attempt to paint me as an enemy saying very bad things about Shri R.J.Rathnakar, is deleted. Further, if A.P. CID is able to locate the person behind the Facebook Id Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident, and finds that he is in India, I request A.P. CID to take suitable action against him to ensure that he realizes the legal and police action consequences of such fraudulent and malicious acts (Cyber Stalking and harassment/bullying) on the Internet, which may ensure that he does not do it again against anybody else. If it turns out that he is living outside India, I would like to know how A.P. CID would handle the matter.

Documents
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[I will attach the two pics mentioned above]

Your Name
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Ravi S. Iyer

=== end draft of main part of cyber police complaint ==========================================================

Ravi: I repeat, reader suggestions/advice is welcome. I would hate having to file this cyber police complaint. But I may have no option but to do so due to non co-operation by Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident and Mr. V.R. Ganti.

[Deliberately omitted to include pics of the FB post here as those pics are already put in this blog post as part of earlier FB posts' contents.]
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A comment from above post is given below:

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ap Ramesh sir, I wonder if your brother who is DySP in Cyber crime department can have a look at the above draft cyber police complaint and give his valuable feedback. Any suggestions/advice from you, Ap Ramesh sir, is also very welcome. Note that I plan to make the complaint tomorrow evening/night.
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14) Facebook is not able to help me to remove Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident's offensive comment and screenshot from Ganti's post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1857045814511987 dated February 2 at 8:06am

Given below is an update from my previous Facebook post, Reported Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident (and Mr. V.R. Ganti) to Facebook; Status of complaints, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1856634701219765, dated Feb. 1st 2017, which I felt appropriate to put up as a separate post.

The 3rd complaint also reached a dead end as Facebook support kept sending me the message on these lines, "Thanks for getting back to us, but unfortunately we still can't find the specific content you're reporting." They eventually closed the case.

I tried to re-open the case with this message to them, "I am shocked that Facebook is saying that they cannot open the link of the comment that I find offensive. I find that the same link that I have sent them multiple times in this interaction, works always for me! I have to just click the link and the offending comment opens up in Chrome browser. I feel so frustrated as I have been maligned and very nasty personal-level words about a leader of my town has been said.

The least that Facebook support should do is tell me which link they are trying to open and cannot open - they should copy-paste the link from my complaint. Then I will have some idea of why they are not able to open the offending comment link that I have sent them."

They responded by closing the case again!

So I guess I have to give up on getting Facebook to do something about this matter.

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Update on 4th Feb. 2017

I tried again using this "Report Something on Facebook" form here: https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/274459462613911

Given below are the Support Inbox messges related to it (relevant parts):

What you submitted
Feb 2
What best describes the issue you want to report?
Bullying
Do you have a Facebook account?
No
Links (URLs) to the content
--snip--
When was this content posted?
01/28/2017
Description
A screenshot of comment exchange on my post (see https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1854174248132477?comment_id=1854178281465407&reply_comment_id=1854206891462546) has been doctored and misrepresented to viciously malign me in above mentioned comment. See attached pic for a pictorial description of the misrepresentation & doctoring of screenshot.
Your Name (optional)
Ravi S Iyer
Your email address
--snip--
Attachments
HowVenkateshBabuMisrepresentedNDoctoredScreenshot.jpg
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We sent you a message
Yesterday [3rd Feb. 2017]
Hi Ravi,

We appreciate you taking the time to contact us. We reviewed the content you reported and found that it doesn't go against our Community Standards:

https://www.facebook.com/communitystandards/?ref=CR

We understand that it may still be upsetting, so we've created a list of other actions you can take that may help the situation:

https://www.facebook.com/help/408955225828742/?ref=CR

Remember that you should contact local law enforcement if you ever feel threatened by something you see on Facebook.

We won't be able to take any further action on this report, but please let us know if you see something else that you think shouldn't be on Facebook. Learn more about how to report something:

https://www.facebook.com/help/reportlinks/?ref=CR

View updates from your Support Inbox:
--snip--

Thanks,

Carla
Facebook
=== end Facebook support Inbox messages ===

Ravi: So that attempt too failed.

I had then prepared a note on how Clive could make a complaint to Facebook but dropped that effort as people were complaining about me dragging the matter. I mean, people preferred to let the comment remain on Mr. Ganti's post, and hopefully be forgotten, rather than us continuing on those efforts. So I gave up on it. But I felt it appropriate to document how I was going to suggest to Clive to do it, which is given below:

Procedure to file a complaint about Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident comment on Ganti's post that you cannot see

Visit this link: https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/274459462613911

In the list of options, Choose option Other abuse

Then for "Do you have a Facebook account?" - choose Yes

Then for "Are you blocked from seeing the content (ex: photo, comment, post) you want to report?" - choose Yes

Then in the form that opens up below fill in the fields as follows:

"Links (URLs) to the content"

--snip--

"When was this content posted?"
01/28/2017 [i.e choose 28th January 2017]

"Description"
A screenshot is showing a comment of mine (Clive Raj Valydon) which has offensive language which a friend deleted (rightly). I DON'T WANT this DELETED comment of mine with offensive language to be shown in this screenshot captured WITHOUT my permission. Please delete screenshot as it has offensive language (which I regret). Venkatesh Babu is refusing to delete it.

"Upload a Screenshot (optional)"
[Ravi: Upload pic showing how it got misrepresented and doctored.]

Finally, click on Send button to send the complaint to Facebook. If the complaint is successfully sent you will get a message in your Support Inbox.
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15) DEALING WITH DEFAMATION ATTACKS ON FACEBOOK - A USA, Florida Cyber investigation firm webpage; Has my long public conversation with Facebook Fake Id Bully Venkatesh Babu, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1857178847832017 dated February 2 at 5:13pm

DEALING WITH DEFAMATION ATTACKS ON FACEBOOK - A USA, Florida Cyber investigation firm webpage, http://www.cyberinvestigationservices.com/dealing-with-defamation-attacks-on-facebook/, that talks about just what I and some of my Facebook friends have faced from Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident (and some others). Interestingly, it offers help, for a price, of course, if reporting to Facebook does not solve the problem!

It mentions a lawsuit (USA scenario, I guess) as the last resort. Specifically it says, "Last, in very severe cases you can then look at bringing a lawsuit against the party, even if doing anonymously.  Many people say, “I don’t know who I’d sue because I can’t recognize the person.”  Don’t worry about that, reach out to us, we can help you on that issue.  That’s the kind of thing that we do every single day."

So, if somebody can cough up the money (not me, for sure :-) ), Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident could be tracked by these persons too! Clive Raj Valydon, if you have the money bro., you may be able to 'out' Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident :-) . Just joking, Clive Raj Valydon, I don't think it is worth spending your hard-earned money on this.

Nonetheless, I am happy to note that there are firms which, for a price, provide help to deal with defamation on Facebook, like that being done by ANONYMOUS/FAKE ID user Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident.
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Given below are some comment exchanges on the above post, including the full exchange with a Venkatesh Babu who has viciously maligned me with false charges and who talked of a legal lawsuit threat against me. So I have decided to include the full exchange with Venkatesh Babu as a record that can be submitted to law enforcement, if needed. Note that Venkatesh Babu can delete his Facebook comments from my post whenever he wants - I cannot control that. Therefore I felt it appropriate to make a copy of it here which cannot be deleted by him.

Note that in some cases multiple short comments have been shown as a single comment below.
Further note that I have deleted some impolite language and offensive comments of Venkatesh Babu from the Facebook post. So some of my responses given below are to deleted (not shown) comments of Venkatesh Babu.

Terry Reis Kennedy wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer These firms, I've been warned, charge a huge amount of money and in the case of people writing horrible websites about someone, the people you pay to remove the lies are the very people who invented the site to begin with.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks for the warning, Terry Reis Kennedy.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Venkatesh Babu, don't make physical threats against me on my post. I am not scared of Asathya-Adharma CROOKS like you.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Come and file a court case against me, Venkatesh Babu, for what you think I have done wrong. You may think I have lied about the criminal case of record tampering and malicious slander indulged against me by Sai university administrators, including your fellow student (I am presuming your claim of being a Sai student is right) Registrar Naren Ramji. Let him and you jointly file a case against me in an Indian court of law. Then the truth will be known.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Why did you advise Clive to claim that his account was hacked? Wasn't it Asatya or Adharma..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
How do you say that I told Clive to do that?

I did not tell Clive to do that.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Why did you cut out my first comment referring to Satish Naik, in your screenshot. Wasn't it deliberate misrepresentation of my second comment?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I am ready to face that challenge in court, brother Venkatesh Babu. I am ready to drop everything and focus only on that court case. I am even ready to go to jail for upholding Sathya & Dharma in this case. And I am even ready to lay down my life for upholding Sathya & Dharma in this case.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
a snap shot of a long conversation is just that.. it is a snap shot.. it is neither a full conversation or how you interpret it.. there is no law against it. that is how you print excerpts from a book. whether a author likes it or not..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Why did you cut out Clive's comment from the middle of the conversation? Is it not fabrication?

This arun told.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
may be I ran out of space.. how do you know what resolution screen I was using or the software I used to take
that screen capture..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ha! Ha! Ran out of space!
What a joke!
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
If you are sure what you have done is the truth, why don't you reveal who you are.

Unfortunately, nobody has come forward and identified you from the photograph you provided.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I will delete junk comments from you on my post.

Please use appropriate language.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote: You are the coward who is hiding behind a fake a/c, not me.
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Exactly
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Challenge me in a court of law, Venkatesh Babu, not hiding behind a fake Facebook a/c.

Then we will know who is following Sathya & Dharma, you or me.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Why you guys are so cared of RJR.. why this instant apologies and disclaimers.. never seen you so disturbed about anything you posted against others?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Why are you changing the topic now?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
First, did you understand that I did NOT tell Clive to say his a/c was hacked.

You jumped to that conclusion and maligned me there.

Did you not?

Is that Sathya & Dharma from you?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
You said .. if RJR can confirm that he wants to stop this.. I will stop. you take advice from someone you call leader of the town.. not Sathya Sai Baba, Bramahand Nayaka.. you have been exposed like never before. admit it ..

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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ha! Ha!

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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
DId you ever pray to Swami in this whole ordeal instead of relying on your fake friends on FB?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
You are using some blackmail tactics here.

You are refusing to see logical arguments and truth from me.

You are hell bent in your presumption that I am a bad guy and want to paint me as nasty fellow. That is your problem.

I cannot prevent you from having such delusionary thoughts about me.

You are having a one-track mode to argue against me.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
why not occasionally post about a miracle or uplifting article instead of slandering others all the time..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Let me ask you: Why are you so against RJR?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
I have nothing against him. who said that I am against him?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
If you were respectful of Swami's family would you ever put up such a comment by anybody.

Do you think RJR would be happy with you?

Do you think Swami would be happy with you?

If Swami were in physical form, would you put out such a comment made by anybody against RJR, and then come to Swami for Darshan?

Ask yourself this question, Venkatesh Babu? Then you will know what is the right path for you.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
You are just writing nasty words about me. And not having a logical argument.

What sort of Sathya & Dharma are you following?

Or should I say, Janami Dharmam Na cha me pravritti, in your regard?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
ok.. I do suprabhatam everyday.. I meditate.. do my 4 hours of service every week.. and expose spiritual frauds like you in my spare time.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I would love to listen to polite and fair criticism from you or anybody else. But you are indulging in personal attacks. You say I am a spiritual fraud. Justify your statements.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
If you continue to use impolite language, I will have to block you again. Hope you understand that?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Ok.. you always find faults with others.. share something you approve of.. something good that has gone on your post and has been shared by anyone other than the hate squad.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Identify yourself, which batch, who are your colleagues?

Does Kannan Iyer know you?

He is there in the pic.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
what good it will do Sir.. you will only bring your attack dogs against me..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
But we are both respectful towards Swami, brother.

So if the pic of Swami with students does not have you. Please say so.

Let us then remove it from this conversation.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Your friends have already threatened me in private messages.. let me not get into it..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
But back to pic with Swami. If that is not you then lets remove it.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I CONDEMN any such threats to you, if made, UNEQUIVOCALLY.

I am a law-abiding Indian citizen and do not approve of any such illegal physical violence threats on anybody, including you.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Sir I always thought of you as an intelligent person. but a remark or screen shot which no one saw,, you made it popular by posting direct links on your wall and keeping it alive for a week. why? are you a friend of RJR or you wanted everyone to see it?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
You put up the comment!!!! Do you remember that?

You are the main cause.

You can delete it now.

Why don't you delete it?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
why is it bothering you so much.. you have said worst things about others.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
I will. but it will be brought up against you in the court anyway..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Because that comment has nasty personal stuff about another human being with me being misrepresented as being supportive of that.

Even if somebody said that of you or Mervyn Hughes (instead of RJR), I would want it to be deleted.

Do you understand?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Sir did you make this comment?


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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
We can have that conversation separately. Don't tie that to this.

You delete the nasty comment. Then I assure you I will have a conversation with you on that.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
If you say sorry now.. I will delete that comment within five mintues..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
A public conversation.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
That's BLACKMAIL.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
I am a straight shooter.. believe me.. don't pay money or hire detective.. I will delete that comment.. just say that you were wrong..
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Sir how can you paint the whole Sai Community with the same brush. even if there are some bad apples. that doesn't stand up to any reason or logic..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
You are using a nasty and personal comment against some human being which you put up (even though I deleted that comment within 3 minutes of it being put up), and now using that to demand that I delete some other comment of mine which was critical of (some) Sai students. That is BLACKMAIL. I will not succumb to such BLACKMAIL.

I am ready to have a separate public conversation with you on that.

But let us not mix the two.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
My conditions of withdrawing my post was clear.. probably you didn't read it properly..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Well, you are using that post to demand an apology from Clive to you!!!!

Why should he apologize to you?

He has apologized PUBLICLY to RJR.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
you have nothing to fear from me.. your hate is your worst enemy..
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
why are you so afraid of RJR?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
You are the person who put Clive into this trouble by cyberstalking him.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I am NOT afraid of RJR. Who told you I am afraid of him?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Sir for God's sake.. you live in Parthi.. abode of human embodiment of Sathya.. why don't you admit. you advised Clive to claim that his account was hacked?
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[Some time later Clive Raj Valydon responded to above comment: Because he didn't]
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
He is a trustee of Bhagavan's trust. He is nephew of Bhagavan and I have personally seen at Darshan how much concern Bhagavan had when RJR had an accident and was hopsitalized. Bhagavan visited the hospital and came back to Sai kulwant Hall int he car and gave a Darshan round. I recall Bhagavan's face showed quite some concern.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
You are labouring under the delusion that I advised Clive that his a/c was hacked.

I have told you that I did not do that.

But you refuse to believe me.

You just hate me, don't you?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Sir Swami shows same concern to a street dog.. he is the form of selfless love..
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
I don't hate you.. just your prejudices and blinkers
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I respect RJR for the service he is doing as SSSCT trustee and also as a leader of Puttaparhti town, in the years after Mahasamadhi. Prior to that I was not into such stuff at all.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
so you quote scriptures when it suits you not when it is really needed in real life?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
why lie sir? living in a place of Sathya and Dharama why seek refuge from RJR or anyone else for that matter..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
See you have forced yourself to believe that I told Clive to say that his a/c is hacked.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
And now you are trying to act as some great police investigator/lawyer who is cross-questioning me publicly, to accept your view of reality.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Sir please.. don't make me post more screen shots..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
No. I prefer to state the simple truth. I did NOT tell Clive to say his a/c was hacked.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
I am trying to give you a chance to save your face publically
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
You are really talking weird stuff now.

I hope you have not got into some cultish thing, brother.

Cult-stuff leads people into alternative-realities and delusion.

Take care.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Give me a proof that you are a true Sai devotee and following his teachings?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Oh! I have never claimed to be a "true" Sai devotee. I have mentioned publicly that I have more than my fair share of human flaws. And that I try to follow Swami's teachings but fail at times.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
if alternate reality and delusion can build two super speciality hospitals and ten schools .. may be we all need that magic mushroom diet.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
what is your contribution in last five years?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ah! So you believe that because those hospitals got built and institutions got built, it has to be true?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
fruits define the tree sir. no one looks at the root and says that Mangoes are sweet or gourd is bitter..
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
two thousand surgeries against hate filled posts from you in last five years..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Look, I don't believe in Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claim and have documented why I don't believe in it. Is that a problem for you?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
let Sai community be the judge of who is on the side of Dharma and Sathya..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I have publicly praised the social service work done by Muddenahalli group including the hospitals. Did you read those posts of mine?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
no.. you are entitled to your views.. no problems..
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
I have a problem with you trying to prove others wrong..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Show me one post where I have criticized the social service work done by Muddenhalli group.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
You taking the role of adjudicator when it was not your role..
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
who are you to say anything?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ask brothers VijaySai B.S. and Sai Keshav, with whom I have had extensive interactions publicly on Facebook, over the past two years.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
insignificant nobody who writes on FB and thinks he is hugely popular and leads the Sai community.. why this delusion sir..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
They will tell you, I think, that I have never ever been critical of any social service work done by Muddenhalli group.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
you friends who you call for help are less than ten.. does that say how popular you are in Sai community?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
You are entitled to have your view that I am an insignificant nobody who writes on FB.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I DO NOT consider myself to be a leader of the Sai community.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Sir I won't be able to save you.. a case is being filed against you in Bangalore court. please prepare yourself..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I am one writer on Sathya Sai related matters on Facebook. The freedom of speech laws in India provide me the right to express my views.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Oh good! I am happy to know that. Really!!!!
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I tried hard to follow Indian law as I understood it, in terms of freedom of speech, when I did my unpleasant whistle-blowing work.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
forewarned is forearmed.. I am not for litigation but it is something I have heard from my friends. so please be ready.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I would be happy to have a case heard in an Indian court of law against my writings and would be happy to follow the Indian judge's orders.

Of course, I have the possibility for appeal to higher courts too.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
It will be a good test for both for us about how far we can stretch our liberties with freedom of speech.. but I think you have named people and their positions.. that puts you in different category than me..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
And let me repeat, I am ready to go to jail for Sathya & Dharma, in this matter. I am ready to even die, while following Indian law, for Sathya & Dharma, in this regard.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Jails are not like those you have seen in movies sir.. they stink and people urinate on you..

but I am sure.. you will be able to hold on to your sanity... BTW there won't be any internet or computer in Jail..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Yes, I have named Sashidhara Prasad, Naren Ramji and V. Chandrasekaran in my statements that they participated at some level in the criminal act of record tampering and malicious defamation, of showing me as a Teaching Assistant in Q.A. document prepared by Sai unversity, when my official designation then, on signed identity cards by Prof. U.S. Rao, then principal of PN campus, was Honorary Faculty and/or Visiting Faculty.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
I need to leave sir.. I am glad that you spoke to me.. and didn't try to ban or block me..
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
save those arguments for the court sir.. it is just a civil chat
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
And that Sashidhara Prasad and Sudhir Bhaskar did not react to my request for service record when I asked them. Instead Sashidhara Prasad accused me of being venomous. And Sudhir Bhaskar, then Director PN campus, supported Sashidhara Prasad instead of looking into my request and complaint.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
wish you all the best. and hope you can find a good legal team to defend you..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
No, I am just giving you the details of my statements which I knew could open me up to criminal and civil defamation charges from the four people I mentioned above.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
you named and shamed them in public sir.. that is without giving them any chance to clear their name.. that is defamation 101
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
No. They could surely respond to me in public.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
They could have sent me a legal notice.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
you humiliated them in front of the whole Sai community..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
They did nothing because what I was saying was the truth.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote [to earlier Venkatesh Babu comment]:
That is true.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
They will be furious with me for what I did.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
as I said.. you will get a chance in court to defend yourself.. save your arguments for now..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
They will view me as an enemy.
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Venkatesh Babu
I have been told that at least one of them has agreed to sign the legal petition against you..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I was prepared for that as I felt it is important to whistle-blow on this matter for the betterment of the institution and for the betterment of the post Mahasmadhi Sathya Sai movement.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
may be they will all give testimony in court.. we never know..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Good. Let all four come together. I don't have a problem. They have a lot of money power.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I may have to struggle a bit. But this is my Sathya & Dharma test.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
blowing your own trumpet is different than blowing whistle .
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I am prepared to be financially ruined, go to a stinky jail, even die, for upholding Sathya & Dharma in this matter.

Did you get that?
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
any way sir.. I wish the best for you.. it will be a test for how far we all can go speaking against our past enemies on social media.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Perhaps you may want to convey that to those who want to file the case against me. I welcome their step. But I will fight all the way to uphold truth and ethics.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks for your best wishes brother..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Please delete the nasty personal stuff against Bhagavan's nephew.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
Sir.. I am just conveying the news.. if you want more details. please contact Mr. Ganti and Mervyn Hughes..
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
only if you say Sorry..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Mervyn Hughes has lied atrociously against me.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I see. BLACKMAIL!
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
he is funding the court case. thats what I heard.. US dollar goes a long way in Indian rupees..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Very sorry to see that this is how some Muddenahalli group people are handling this matter.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
anyway.. sorry to leave.. but I have to.. good luck sir..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
No problem. I am aware of Muddenahalli group being very, very rich.
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Venkatesh Babu wrote:
OM Sri Sairam..
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Aum Sri Sai Ram!
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Venkatesh who will strike first shot you or us.

Meaning when should we expect your legal team to write to us

Venkatesh sir you do know if you don't get your legal team to write to us.
I will publicly say your full of --snip--
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Facebook user (fake Id in all probability) Venkatesh Babu has touched upon very sensitive topics in his conversation with me on this Facebook post of mine. He has talked about a legal case to be made against me in Bangalore, and about stinky jails (in India) which I might have to be in, and that USA Dollars (from Mervyn Hughes, as per his words) is funding the case!

Now I view such matters as very serious. But I cannot hold Venkatesh Babu accountable for his words on this Facebook post of mine as I don't know his real identity!!!

Therefore I have decided that I will not interact with Venkatesh Babu till such time as I am able to confirm his identity as a real person, and therefore be in a position to hold him accountable for what he says to me on Facebook. He need not put up his pic (like I have not put up my pic) but he should let me know his real name, his batch from SSSIHL, and persons in Prasanthi Nilayam who can confirm his identity. Brothers VijaySai B.S. and Sai Keshav, both Sai university alumni, and believers in (and promoters of) Madhusudan Rao Naidu's so called communicator claim, could also help in this regard, if Venkatesh Babu so desires.

Clive Raj Valydon, please note that I will not respond to your comments on this post made recently due to the above. [I have not yet read them. I plan to read them shortly.]

I am trying to just put a full stop to this Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident fake Facebook user matter.
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16) Clive Raj Valydon's public apology to RJR,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1857368711146364 dated February 3 at 1:02am

[Note: Content of post shared below is repeated from earlier share of mine, which Clive deleted. The pic has changed.]

I think it is good that brother Clive Raj Valydon has written this public apology to Shri R.J. Rathnakar.

I would like to say that I have seen over the nearly past two years that I have been on Facebook that brother Clive has always fought for and defended Prasanthi Nilayam and also fought for and defended Shri R.J. Rathnakar (RJR). There is no doubt in my mind that Clive wants to help RJR and not hurt him.

In this particular case, it was a BIG MISTAKE of Clive to PUBLICLY state the warning about Arun Srinivas that he wanted to give RJR. Clive should have passed the warning PRIVATELY to RJR. Further, the words used were very inappropriate to repeat in even the private warning, even though Arun Srinivas may have used those words in an attempt to falsely and maliciously defame RJR.

Clive should take particular care with such matters in future and avoid any recurrence of this embarrassment.

But I would also like to say that the intention of Clive was good. He only wanted to warn RJR about such malicious defamation being done of him by Arun Srinivas. Clive's heart is good. There is no doubt in my mind that Clive is loyal to Prasanthi Nilayam and to RJR.

Given the above, I would urge Shri R.J.Rathnakar and his supporters to accept the genuine and heartfelt apology of Clive. Jai Sairam!

[Text content of shared post of Clive Raj Valydon in this post is given below]

Feeling bad today, feeling ashamed and disgusted with myself.
About a few days back Mr Ganti who is known as the person who has been targeting Mr Rathnaka.
Put out a post and on that post his close friends, I say close friends as they are all united in trying to bring down Mr Rathnaka.
You have mdh followers creating fake profiles namely mervyn Hughes and parthi resident And venkatesh Babu.
All are mdh followers creating fake profiles for one purpose only And thats not to spread his message.
These guys deliberately targeted Mr Ravi S. Iyer.
Saying some pretty horrible things about him.

This is where I made the mistake.
I got angry and through my anger I would say my Immaturity kicked in and I started said some things I wish I hadn't have said.

A few weeks back I had a long telephone conversation with an mdh student called arun.
It was in that conversation that he spoke very lowly of Mr Rathnaka.
I felt something wrong but jus went with it.
And the comments was my way of letting people know what arun said.

I will not repeat what arun said again.

I wish to clarify on my part my deepest respect towards Mr Rathnaka.
I have admired him from a very long time ago.

I have defended him on more then one occasion.
Mr ganti desperately tried to get me on board with him and asked if I would help him bring down Rathnaka.
I said no Mr ganti then called me a coward And tried to emotionally blackmail me.

After that I turned against him completely and said some very bad things about Mr Ganti forcing him to block me.

Today I wish to say my heartfelt apology to Mr Rathnaka who has been caught in the. Middle through no fault of his own.

Mr rathnaka is a very very great man and the work he does really
Words cannot short to describe his love towards swami and swamiis devotees.

Without him I don't know how parthi would function.

I am so sorry sir
I am ashamed and disgusted with myself and blame my Immaturity for this.

I have learnt alot from it and ask your forgiveness sir.

Aum Sai Ram

--- end text content of shared post of Clive Raj Valydon ---

Some comments from my shared post are given below:

Ap Ramesh wrote:
Dear all, Clive has been a strong supporter of Mr.RJR. He is nice guy who is upright and frank. No doubts some monkeys are trying to create discord in the group which is fighting MDH. i think some brokers who are paid by MDH have done this. please pray to Swami to give us the strength to bear all these monkey tricks.. jai sai ram
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ap Ramesh sir. Thank you very much for your supportive comment.
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Shaun Brown wrote:
I've known Clive for almost 20 years and for as long as I've known him, Swami has been the centre of his life. For many years each time I went to Parthi I would find that Clive was already there and often had been for months before my arrival. His love for Swami is unquestionable and was reciprocated by Swami through the many interactions He had with Clive. Clive's devotion is evidenced by how passionately he speaks when he feels that someone is telling untruth about Swami or going against the human value of Truth in general. His willingness to admit in a public forum that he was wrong and to ask for forgiveness shows both rare courage and humility, both qualities which Swami asked every devotee to cultivate. How many of us can honestly say to ourselves that we would have the same courage? AP Ramesh is quite correct in what he says. There are some among those who support Madhusudan's claims who would dearly love to see division, discord and disunity among those of us who are telling the truth about what is happening there. If we fight among ourselves the only ones who come out on top are the ones who wanted the disunity in the first place. Don't give them what they want - maintain unity instead. We are Sai devotees and so our first should be to look to Swami's teachings, trust them and follow them. What did our dear Swami say about maintaining unity? "Unity is strength" (SSS 23.35). "Differences should not divide us. Members of the Sai Organisation should foster such unity. Let there not be any conflicts. Live like children of the same family. Get a good name, so that there is no other organisation comparable to the Sai Organisation in the world. Develop love and work unitedly (SSS 31.41). His words have power, the power of Truth. If we follow His words then that power is with us. When untruth is being spoken, then the only power that can stand against it is truth. And as Swami told us, Truth triumphs, falsehood fails.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thanks Shaun Brown for your comment in support of Clive Raj Valydon.
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17) Have decided NOT to make a cyber police complaint against Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1857638471119388 dated February 3 at 4:03pm

I saw the recent Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/mumbai.srinivasan/posts/1189653854484131, of Mumbai Srinivasan sir, an elder who is active in Sathya Sai Facebook community. I also noted comments of A.P. Ramesh sir showing concern about unwanted social media publicity for RJR if I make a cyber police complaint against Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident for his maliciously misrepresented and doctored screenshot, and associated false charge comment against me, on Mr. V.R. Ganti's Facebook post.

Given these views, I have decided NOT to make a cyber police complaint for this matter against Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident.

I have further decided to ignore any further comments of fake Facebook ID Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident.
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Some comments from this post have been given below:

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Mumbai Srinivasan, Ap Ramesh sirs, You may please have a look at the above post. Any comments are welcome. Thanks. Jai Sairam!
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Clive Raj Valydon wrote:
Sir it is enough if Mumbai Srinivasan writes a post distancing himself from these fake account fraudsters.
And not condoning it
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Ap Ramesh wrote:
Iyer sir, i wholeheartedly welcome your decision of not filing a cyber complaint.. You win only when you know when to pause , when to strike and when to leave. Otherwise we will make our opponent strong by playing into his hands. The best strategy is to keep your adversary guessing. if you ever want to lodge a police/cyber complaint in future , JUST DO IT !
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Ap Ramesh wrote:
Iyer, Clive, Terry and all other wellwishers, i have lodged a complaint. i have given 6 names which i think are fake and are defaming central trust and the trustees. I met the head of cyber cell in Vijayawada with help of my brother. I can't imagine what i experienced. Whole office is full of Swami's devotees. i will share privately if any one of you want to know the plan of action. Jai sai ram
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ap Ramesh sir, My life has taken very strange turns after Bhagavan's Mahasamadhi and since I started publicly sharing my critical views of Madhusudan Rao Naidu communicator claim on Facebook sometime in early 2015.

I found that I was able to get some sort of stability and sense in my social media life wrt my posts about Muddenahalli group, which also impacts my real life in Puttaparthi to some extent, by deciding to be transparent about many things that I do. I think that transparency has helped in ensuring my credibility on social media among many on this very polarized topic (MDH).

I do realize the wisdom of your words in your first comment above. However, for me, more important than victory over a perceived opponent, is that I do my work transparently (in this MDH matter). I don't mind not only delayed victories due to this approach of mine, but also defeats and failures.

Some people seem to have got rather exasperated, at times, with my transparent approach. I understand their exasperation. But I normally work alone, and so I am able to go with my transparent approach. I also avoid getting into team actions due to this. Nowadays, I also try to limit my private conversations on MDH to a minimum, and have a clear preference for public conversation on the topic.

I mean, the claim (false claim according to me) of Madhusudan Rao Naidu and its impact on post-Mahasamadhi Sathya Sai movement is very scary to me, as somebody with a keen interest in history of religions and spiritual movements. The last thing that should happen to Sathya Sai movement over the coming decades is to have a Sai Sunni sect which goes only by what physical form Bhagavan said, and a Sai Shia sect which provides a mix of physical form Bhagavan and Madhusudan Naidu mentored by Narasimhamurthy teachings! That would be a terrible tragedy! Look at the state of affairs among the two major sects of Islam, Sunni and Shia, not only in Iran/Iraq/Saudi Arabia but also in Pakistan, our neighbouring country!

As one of the writers on social media on this matter, in these crucial years of Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claims and following, I want to be as transparent as I can, both in chronicling key events in this saga and in giving my views of and my discussions with others on the matter. That may be a very useful record decades down the line when Sathya Sai fraternity, either as two sects or as one unified community, looks back on this formative period. Due to transparency, what may be a defeat in the short-term, may be viewed as a victory in the longer term due to clearer understanding of the matter over time.

So that is why I documented that I was going to make Facebook complaints, discussed it publicly and shared the disappointing results. And that is why I publicly discussed the possibility of cyber police complaint, looked into the procedure, created a draft complaint, but backed out at the last stage as some concerns were expressed. What I have done is fully documented and available as a record for those who may want to look at it in future.

Once again, I will say that I do recognize the wisdom of your words (JUST DO IT), when viewed from a more limited angle perhaps, of achieving desired short-term results.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Ap Ramesh sir, Thank you so much for sharing your wonderful experience that Cyber cell office in Vijayawada is full of Sai devotees. That is such a happy thing to know. Then they will understand our problems more easily and perhaps be able to give just (Sathya & Dharma) solutions.

I thank you sir for taking the initiative to make the complaints about fake Facebook Ids who are viciously and falsely maligning SSSCT and its trustees. I fully support this step of yours, sir.
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18) My response to Shaun Brown comment on RJR being chosen by Swami and about avoiding gossip and rumours,
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1857675137782388 dated February 3 at 5:53pm

[This post shares a post by Terry Reis Kennedy which has Shaun Brown's comment. Given below is my share-comment prior to Terry's shared post (whose contents I have not included here).]

This is the response I made to Shaun Brown's comment referred below:

Well said Shaun Brown. I agree in general. However, my view is that it is possible for even officers of Sai organizations to make mistakes. We are all human, including officers of Sai organizations. If there are allegations of significant wrongdoing in Sai orgn. matters which DO NOT GET HANDLED by complaints within the Sai orgn. hierarchy then I am NOT against their publication with appropriate EVIDENCE backing them.

Those people who have acquired many Sathya Sai devotee Facebook followers (say over a thousand), need to take particular care to ensure that comments by others hurling nasty, vicious, false and sometimes personal allegations against officers of the Sathya Sai orgn. are DELETED from their Facebook posts. That is a responsibility such people should take up. Taking a view that anybody and everybody can put up all sort of nasty junk as comments on their posts which may then get read by many, and saying that the Facebook post author/owner is NOT RESPONSIBLE for comments of others on his/her post, IS UNFAIR and UNETHICAL, in my considered opinion.

I personally do take the time to play a moderator role on comments on my posts, typically. However, I do not have a large following. So I do not get many comments. But even in case I am not able to view all comments of others on my posts, I surely will respond to complaints by other Facebook users about comments on my post which are viewed as objectionable by them, and take the action of deletion of those comments if I agree that the comments are unfair and/or false.

I have been truly shocked to see one well known Sai devotee on Facebook, with over a thousand friends & followers, OPENLY REFUSING to take any responsibility of moderating comments on his posts. So essentially, nasty people can write all kinds of horrific, malicious and false comments targeting anybody (excepting the post author, of course)!

Tragically, reporting to Facebook about such matters seems to have little effect. Facebook seems to give wide liberty to people to write all kinds of malicious and offensive comments without evidence to back them OR with fabricated so called "evidence" to supposedly back them.
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19) Rough summary of my actions in response to the conspiracy (framing) against me [This is adapted from a private message (not Facebook post).]

Here's a rough summary of my actions in response to the framing.

I had to go through this process of focusing on first defending myself from the way I was framed viciously via the Facebook posts that I put up on it. I think that would have helped you others involved in the framing as I was able to show Clive had meant Arun and not Satish, in his problem comment.

After showing to social media community that I was framed, the next thing I did was to try to make the persons responsible be accountable. I publicly exposed Arun Srinivas as the person who was behind the nasty remark. I am sure I have earned one more enemy in Arun Srinivas but I felt I had to show that I am not going to quietly accept such things and that people who do that will have to face consequences from me. This will deter others from trying the same stunt against me. Note that deterrence does not mean that others will not do the same thing against me in future. it is just that it will make some of them think twice because they saw that I hit back at the people who framed me.

Clive apologizing helped in validating my analysis of what had happened. I noted that A.P. Ramesh sir has accepted Clive's apology. That's good. It cleans the system and DEFEATS the attempt of Arun Srinivas, Ganti and Venkatesh Babu to break the unity amongst us by creating doubt and discord within us.

It was also important for me to show the social media world that I did all that I could reasonably do to get the offending, false and malicious comment removed. That involved making Facebook complaints and sharing the progress of those complaints on social media. Unfortuntely, Facebook complaints against the comment+screenshot were rejected.

Then came possibility of Venkatesh Babu negotiating with Clive, and then with me, to get the comment+screenshot removed. I think it was right to get into the negotiation and that too publicly, as then social media could see how hard Clive and I were trying to get the offensive comment against RJR removed. If we had not negotiated I am sure some people including RJR supporters would have blamed Clive and me saying that we did not show sincere effort to remove the comment that so nastily maligned RJR. Now I don't think any reasonable RJR supporter will be able to say that of me.

Unfortunately, the negotiation process with Venkatesh Babu, showed that he was using his comment-screenshot as BLACKMAIL against not only Clive but against me as well. Clearly, I am the main target of Venkatesh Babu in this matter. He wants to SILENCE ME about Muddenahalli. And he wants to SILENCE me from criticizing Sai student community! That's what he was trying to blackmail me about. As that became evident, I told him that I will not SUCCUMB to BLACKMAIL. After some discussion with another person, I decide to withdraw from negotiation and put up a public post on it.

Then came the matter of trying to deliver JUSTICE to Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident for the vicious and malicious framing act he did against me. This would help to deter future such actions from Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident and others like him against me. Further, there was the problem of the offending comment framing me (and Satish and Clive) as against RJR with that vicious and nasty personal slur against RJR remaining on Mr. Ganti's Facebook post for people to see.

I went through the process and was all set to make an Andhra Pradesh cyber police complaint (the first police complaint I would make in my life). I felt that even if Venkatesh Babu does not live in India, Andhra Pradesh cyber police complaint would result in police request to Facebook to delete the comment, which Facebook would give a lot more value to, than my individual complaints to Facebook. So I felt that I MUST make that effort too.

But concern was expressed about the name of Shri R.J. Rathnakar being given more publicity if I make a cyber police complaint. And I think that is a GENUINE concern.

So I decided to FOREGO my law-abiding Indian citizen RIGHT to make an Andhra Pradesh cyber police complaint to remove the Facebook comment framing me mainly and attempting to deliver justice to Venkatesh Babu/Parthi Resident. I put up a short post stating my decision NOT to file cyber police complaint.

I think that I got into all this trouble with Venkatesh Babu, Arun Srinivas and Ganti SOLELY BECAUSE I had written publicly in the past defending and supporting Shri R.J. Rathnkar on some matters related to Prasanthi Nilayam and SSSCT.

So I got framed BIGTIME by them. I had to fight very hard to recover from that. I am glad to say that by all the hard work that I have done over the past few days I have recovered my fair name and reputation to a large extent. But that malicious comment and doctored screenshot against me remains on Ganti's post. So some may believe me to be of that type.

To prevent myself from getting involved in such matters again, I have decided to, in future, as far as possible, avoid writing anything about Shri R.J.Rathnakar. That will take me off the gun targets of people like Ganti.
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Overflow from this post is continued on post, Misrepresentation and fabrication by Parthi Resident/Venkatesh Babu against me; Beware of Arun Srinivas, alumnus of Muddenahalli school - Part 2, http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2017/02/misrepresentation-and-fabrication-by.html.

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