Wednesday, December 13, 2017

I have unblocked Mr. V.R. Ganti on Facebook and sent him a Facebook message; Mr Ganti responded and so we are in Facebook contact again

Given below are the contents of two of my recent Facebook posts and some of my comments on them.

From my Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2035692856647281, dated 13th Dec. 2017:

I have unblocked Mr. V.R. Ganti on Facebook and sent him a Facebook message

A few minutes ago I unblocked Mr. V.R. Ganti and sent him a Facebook message as follows:

Sairam V.R. Ganti sir,

As you continue to be somebody who has relentlessly been critical of Asathya-Adharma of Muddenhalli group, I have unblocked you on Facebook and, if you are willing to interact with me, I would like to continue interactions with you on Muddenahalli matters.

Of course, I will not interact with you on anything critical that you may say on Prasanthi Nilayam, Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust and its trustees. I am a supporter of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust.

Regards

Ravi S. Iyer

I have also started 'Following' your Facebook posts. Thanks.

--- end contents of Facebook message to Mr. Ganti ---

I don't see a read indicator so far. I have also noted that Mr. Ganti has not posted on his Facebook pages for the past ten days or so. Perhaps for some reason he has been off Facebook over the past few days.

I felt it appropriate to include a slightly edited version of my comments in my previous Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2034909926725574, here, as follows:

I have a clear recollection of the trauma, not just embarrassment, that I was put to early this year, by a Muddenahalli group Fake News Facebook Fake Id attacker who claims to be a Sai university alumnus, and seems to be based in Melbourne, Australia, who used misrepresentation and fabrication to paint a vicious negative picture of me vis-a-via an SSSCT trustee. It was Mr. Ganti who provided the Facebook pages platform with wide readership in Sathya Sai fraternity, to this Asathya-Adharma and vicious attack on me by the claimed Sai university alumnus who seems to be based in Melbourne, Australia. All my pleas and even forceful words to Mr. Ganti to understand the misrepresentation and fabrication failed to convince him to delete those offensive comments on his post. Perhaps it was an opportunity for Mr. Ganti to retaliate against some persons and so he could not let go of that opportunity. Very nasty stuff, indeed! That is why I decided to block Mr. Ganti then.

Today I am wiser about such matters and I think I am better prepared to deal with such vicious Shakuni-poison attacks against me on Facebook. Then (early this year) I was not prepared and so got wrapped up in the matter in a way that led to more publicity to the Fake News attack which created discomfort for some.

Now my approach will be to completely disengage from any conversation with Facebook Fake Id fellows on controversial and sensitive topics. I have also quite extensively followed the publicly shared analysis by leading USA investigative agencies as well as Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, of the Fake News social media campaign (Facebook was used in a big way) that hit the 2016 USA presidential campaign, and am more knowledgeable now about the horrific and vicious ways Facebook Fake Id fellows spread their false and nasty news/attacks. The key learning for me is that whenever a social media conversation gets into sensitive and serious territory I should converse only with opposite-camp people who are not using Fake Ids (so are using ids traceable to real people) and so can be held accountable for what they say, within the Sathya Sai fraternity and also within the law of the country in which they live.

If I had completely ignored the Facebook fake Id attacker, who claims to be a Sai University alumnus and seems to be based in Melbourne, Australia, the whole thing may have blown over in a few days, without people paying much attention to it. That has been a key learning for me about such fake Id attacks on Facebook.

The reason why I am thinking of interacting with Mr. Ganti again ONLY ON exposing Muddenahalli group matters and on positive Sathya Sai messages that he may put up, is that I have been seriously disturbed by seeing two senior teachers of Sai educational systems (one from school and one from Sai university), in recent videos, worshiping Madhu Baba by reverentially doing Namaskar to him and, in one case, opening his folded palms to receive "blessed chocolates" from Madhu Baba in their 92nd birthday celebration. Please see attached pics. This is happening even though so much work has been done in 2015 and 2016 mainly to expose Muddenahalli group false claims! If senior faculty still fall for Madhu Baba then many alumni of Sai educational systems, and perhaps some other Sai devotees too, will continue to get trapped by false claim of Madhu Baba!

I would like to use Mr. Ganti's services, if he is willing, to provide publicity to this sad situation and warn Sathya Sai fraternity about such faculty. BTW I am both a former Sai organization man - around 9 years or so in 1990s and early 2000s in Dombivli samithi, Maharashtra with six Prasanthi Seva stints - and a former free service Sai educational systems teacher/faculty - from Jan. 2003 to March 2012 with designations of Honorary Staff/ Honorary Faculty/ Visiting Faculty. Given this background, it is my considered view that the Muddenahalli false belief problem was BORN and NURTURED in the Sai educational system fraternity of warden (Narasmihamurthy), vice-chancellor (Sashidhara Prasad), senior faculty (G.V. Prabhakar Rao, some Muddenahalli school senior teachers, and now Venkateswarulu and Gopi) and alumni (C.Srinivas, Madhusudan Rao Naidu himself, V. Kumar, VijaySai B.S. etc). The Sai organization in India has not been impacted so much, thankfully. We need to help non Sai student/alumni Sai devotees in India and around the world stay away from this false belief promoted by some Sai educational system fraternity! This is the very tragic and unfortunate reality that we face today in the Sathya Sai movement.

So I will go ahead and unblock Mr. Ganti and interact with him on opposing Muddenahalli group false claim, if he is willing to interact with me. I will stay completely away from anything he says regarding Prasanthi Nilayam and SSSCT. If I find that I am getting trapped again by fake Id Facebook attackers on Mr. Ganti's posts then I will stop interacting with Mr. Ganti and, if necessary, block him again.




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An update:
Mr. Ganti responded to my Facebook message to him with a Sairam. I responded by thanking him for his response. So I have re-established Facebook contact with Mr. Ganti.
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From my Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2034909926725574, dated 12th Dec. 2017:

As Shri V.R. Ganti (of Singapore) continues to be somebody who has relentlessly been critical of Asathya-Adharma of Muddenhalli group, I was wondering whether I should unblock him on Facebook and, if he is willing to interact with me, continue interactions with him on Muddenahalli matters.

Of course, I will not interact with him on anything critical that he may say on Prasanthi Nilayam, Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust and its trustees. I am a supporter of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust.

I am curious to know if others have some advice/views on this matter. Ap Ramesh sir, I would be glad to know your view. In particular, do you think it is too risky to interact with Mr. Ganti on Muddenahalli related matters, because Mr. Ganti, at times, goes off on a tangent and is critical of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust. I will value your response. Thanks.
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[I thanked three persons who commented that I should unblock Mr. Ganti giving their reasons why I should do so.]

I (Ravi) commented:

Ap Ramesh sir, I am now favourably viewing the idea of unblocking Mr. V.R. Ganti, and interacting with him on continuing to expose Muddenahalli false claims and helping to prevent/reduce the number of people they trap with their false claim. And as I said in the post, I will not interact with Mr. V.R. Ganti on anything he says that is critical of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust and its trustees as I am a supporter of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust.

If you do have objections to my plan to unblock Mr. V.R. Ganti and interact with him as described above, please comment on this post sharing your views on the matter. Thanks and Jai Sairam!
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Ap Ramesh sir wrote:
sairam Iyer sir, How are you? i have not been active on FB for few months. i don't get to see Ganti's posts as i am blocked by him. but recently i got a message forward about some student spilling beans etc and Ganti going over board without knowing an iota of truth. it turned out that the student was under medication.The problem with ganti is that he is an attention seeker and enjoys sensationalising silly things. he has bruised ego due to " brush aside' kind of treatment that he got from some trustees. so he will keep on attacking the trustees and trust. he cannot be relied upon ever. he can be venomous to the extent that he even tried to corner Mr. Ajith Poppat recently. So he is a sort of Naga Sadhu who has nothing to be discreet about. he would like to see as many Naga Sadhus as possible around him. so he tries to remove the cloths of everyone. ( EXPOSE). STILL I FEEL YOU CAN GIVE HIM ONE LAST CHANCE. After all he was in frontlines in the muddenahalli battle. Iyer sir, i don't want you to be ever embarrassed because of him. ( you know what i am referring to) . please take care.
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[Note that some of the contents of my comments below are mentioned earlier in the contents of the first Facebook post whose contents are put up on this post. Readers would have to kindly tolerate that repetition.]
I (Ravi) wrote:

Ravi S. Iyer Sairam Ap Ramesh sir! Thank you so much for your very valuable opinion. I view you as my well-wisher and so value your advice very much.

I think I know what you are referring to about some student (alumnus who was staff) spilling beans which Mr. Ganti seems to have shown some encouragement to. I was informed of this matter by somebody else after which I followed up on the matter. I was shocked to the core to see the tone of the posts written by the former student-staff. My considered view is that in such very serious matters it is best to report what one knows to appropriate government law enforcement and investigative authorities and leave it to them. I think it is completely inappropriate and very harmful to Sathya Sai movement if that person tries to become a self-appointed investigator of such serious allegations. And I too was informed that the concerned person seems to have some psychological challenges.

You wrote the following at the conclusion of your message, "STILL I FEEL YOU CAN GIVE HIM ONE LAST CHANCE. After all he was in frontlines in the muddenahalli battle. Iyer sir, i don't want you to be ever embarrassed because of him. ( you know what i am referring to) . please take care."

I have a clear recollection of the trauma, not just embarrassment, that I was put to early this year, by a Muddenahalli group Fake News Facebook Fake Id attacker who claims to be a Sai university alumnus, and seems to be based in Melbourne, Australia, who used misrepresentation and fabrication to paint a vicious negative picture of me vis-a-via an SSSCT trustee. It was Mr. Ganti who provided the Facebook pages platform with wide readership in Sathya Sai fraternity, to this Asathya-Adharma and vicious attack on me by the claimed Sai university alumnus who seems to be based in Melbourne, Australia. All my pleas and even forceful words to Mr. Ganti to understand the misrepresentation and fabrication failed to convince him to delete those offensive comments on his post. Perhaps it was an opportunity for Mr. Ganti to retaliate against some persons and so he could not let go of that opportunity. Very nasty stuff, indeed! That is why I decided to block Mr. Ganti then.

Today I am wiser about such matters and I think I am better prepared to deal with such vicious Shakuni-poison attacks against me on Facebook. Then (early this year) I was not prepared and so got wrapped up in the matter in a way that led to more publicity to the Fake News attack which created discomfort for some.

Now my approach will be to completely disengage from any conversation with Facebook Fake Id fellows on controversial and sensitive topics. I have also quite extensively followed the publicly shared analysis by leading USA investigative agencies as well as Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, of the Fake News social media campaign (Facebook was used in a big way) that hit the 2016 USA presidential campaign, and am more knowledgeable now about the horrific and vicious ways Facebook Fake Id fellows spread their false and nasty news/attacks. The key learning for me is that whenever a social media conversation gets into sensitive and serious territory I should converse only with opposite-camp people who are not using Fake Ids and so can be held accountable for what they say, within the Sathya Sai fraternity and also within the law of the land of the country in which they live.

If I had completely ignored the Facebook fake Id attacker, who claims to be a Sai University alumnus and seems to be based in Melbourne, Australia, the whole thing may have blown over in a few days, without people paying much attention to it. That has been a key learning for me about such fake Id attacks on Facebook.

The reason why I am thinking of interacting with Mr. Ganti again ONLY ON exposing Muddenahalli group matters and on positive Sathya Sai messages that he may put up, is that I have been seriously disturbed by seeing two senior teachers of Sai educational systems (one from school and one from Sai university), in recent videos, worshiping Madhu Baba by reverentially doing Namaskar to him and, in one case, opening his folded palms to receive "blessed chocolates" from Madhu Baba in their 92nd birthday celebration. Please see attached pics. This is happening even though so much work has been done in 2015 and 2016 mainly to expose Muddenahalli group false claims! If senior faculty still fall for Madhu Baba then many alumni of Sai educational systems, and perhaps some other Sai devotees too, will continue to get trapped by false claim of Madhu Baba!

I would like to use Mr. Ganti's services, if he is willing, to provide publicity to this sad situation and warn Sathya Sai fraternity about such faculty. BTW I am both a former Sai organization man - around 9 years or so in 1990s and early 2000s in Dombivli samithi, Maharashtra with six Prasanthi Seva stints - and a former free service Sai educational systems teacher/faculty - from Jan. 2003 to March 2012 with designations of Honorary Staff/ Honorary Faculty/ Visiting Faculty. Given this background, it is my considered view that the Muddenahalli false belief problem was BORN and NURTURED in the Sai educational system fraternity of warden (Narasmihamurthy), vice-chancellor (Sashidhara Prasad), senior faculty (G.V. Prabhakar Rao, some Muddenahalli school senior teachers, and now Venkateswarulu and Gopi) and alumni (C.Srinivas, Madhusudan Rao Naidu himself, V. Kumar, VijaySai B.S. etc). The Sai organization in India has not been impacted so much, thankfully. We need to help non Sai student/alumni Sai devotees in India and around the world stay away from this false belief promoted by some Sai educational system fraternity! This is the very tragic and unfortunate reality that we face today in the Sathya Sai movement.

So I will go ahead and unblock Mr. Ganti and interact with him on opposing Muddenahalli group false claim, if he is willing to interact with me. I will stay completely away from anything he says regarding Prasanthi Nilayam and SSSCT. If I find that I am getting trapped again by fake Id Facebook attackers on Mr. Ganti's posts then I will stop interacting with Mr. Ganti and, if necessary, block him again.

Thanks again for your valuable advice, Ap Ramesh sir. Please feel free to advise me in future too in this matter. I repeat that I look upon you, sir, as my well wisher and so will value your advice in future too.
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