Tuesday, May 29, 2018

Miscellaneous posts & comments on Facebook in May 2018

Given below are comments I made on Mr. Ganti's post:  https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10212440075261592, dated 29 May 2018

As far as I know, UGC/ACITE rules ensure that nowadays only academics can hold post of vice-chancellor. So perhaps the above news is a hint that BNNM will be made Chancellor of Muddenahalli Group university. There are no restrictions that the Chancellor needs to be an academic. The founder-chancellor of SSSIHL (Sai university with HQ in Puttaparthi/Prasanthi Nilayam) was Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba and till His Mahasamadhi he was holding that post of chancellor (as far as I know).
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Vr Ganti sir, About emblems and names blah blah blah (sorry about using those words but I think it is appropriate), I think legally the Sathya Sai name is NOT protected. We had a discussion on this in the past. Inclusion of a clause using legislators support in Lok Sabha is one thing. Whether the clause will stand the test of law in Indian courts of law is quite another.

I would be very, very, very surprised if any High Court in India or the Supreme Court prevents other NGOs like that of Muddenahalli group from using name of Sathya Sai in their orgn. names. Shirdi Sai Baba name is used all over the place.

And Muddenahalli group have the money power to hire top lawyers of the country like former union minister Kapil Sibal! So I think you are beating a dead horse when you are talking about emblems and names blah blah blah as a way to prevent Muddenahalli Group from using the name of Sathya Sai in their NGO names and now in their university name.
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Vr Ganti sir, this is a legal matter. While I am not a lawyer, as some legal issues impact my life I have carefully studied some judgements and follow articles about High Court and Supreme Court views on legislation.

You see, the addition of Sathya Sai name and emblem seems to be, if I recall correctly, an addition to some schedule of some act. It is not a statute by itself. I mean, it is not as if a new act/law was passed in the Lok Sabha to make Sathya Sai name exclusive property of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust.

We will know for sure only if it is tried in a court of law. I agree there with you. But perhaps the concerned people feel that the chances of winning are very poor. So they don't want to risk the considerable embarrassment of going to court and losing on the matter.

One big danger in trust going to court may be that the court may ask the name Sathya Sai to be removed from the schedule of concerned act! That is a possibility too. So besides embarrassment there could be bigger negative impacts, if a case filed on these grounds fails.

Recently the Supreme Court struck down some law in Uttar Pradesh: http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2018/may/07/supreme-court-strikes-down-uttar-pradesh-law-allowing-former-cms-to-keep-government-house-1811321.html.

These news reports make it clear to all interested Indians (they need not be lawyers at all) that legislators ability to enact laws are not their sole and arbitrary territory. Their laws could be tested by Supreme Court against constitution and other established laws, and then be struck down if it is found to be inappropriate.

I repeat one does not need to be a lawyer to understand these matters related to power of High Courts and Supreme Court to strike down legislation that is deemed inappropriate.
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Am doing some more reading up on it. Here's a document that gives the act. Note that Sathya Sai name got added to the schedule of the act. https://consumeraffairs.nic.in/WriteReadData/userfiles/file/THE%20EMBLEMS%20AND%20NAMES%20ACT,%201950.pdf.
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In this article we see a, IMHO, rather frivolous complaint against usage of the word Republic by Arnab Goswami for his channel: http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/News-Analysis/2017-01-27/Is-using-phrase-Republic-a-violation-of-the-law-/276191.
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The complainant may have to write to Ministry of Consumer Affairs or MInistry of Information & Broadcasting. The fine mentioned in the act (statute) is a mere 500 Rupees. But then more than the fine, if the Ministry involved directs some orgn. NOT to use the name Sathya Sai, then they will have to obey the ministry's order UNLESS they get a stay order from some court and then challenge that ministry order in court.
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What are the chances of a ministry in PM Narendra Modi government ruling that Muddenahalli group should NOT use name of Sathya Sai? I think given that PM Modi himself has visited Raipur hospital of Muddenahalli Group (MG) and through video-conference gave a short message for another MG hospital function (inauguration function, I think), the chances are zero, IMHO.
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A 1975 case on usage of name "Chhatrapati Shivaji" by a company for its product (Bidi (tobacco product like cigarette but much cheaper)) which went to Supreme Court in 1975: https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1764700/
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Supreme Court upheld the validity of the Emblems & Names act. Related part of judgement:

The scheme disclosed in the provisions of the Act read with the preamble, and the Objects and Reasons make it clear that  there was imperative necessity for regulating the use of  certain emblems and names. The fact that only improper use of the names and emblems is prohibited itself  provides guidance. The original entries in the Schedule would also point to the nature and character of the names, emblems and entities.  It is not possible for the Parliament to envisage the possibility of improper use of all names and emblems as time  goes  on. Nor is it possible to enumerate in the Schedule in exhaustive list of all the names, emblems and entities. Section 8, therefore, makes provision for empowering the Central Government to add to or alter the Schedule. In the nature of things, there is no abdication of legislative function by Parliament in delegating its power under section 8 in favour of the Central Government which will be the appropriate authority to consider from time to time as to the items to be included in or omitted from the Schedule in the light of knowledge and  experience gathered from the nook and corner of the  entire  country. There is, therefore, no excessive delegation of legislative power  by Parliament in favour of the Central Government.
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The petitioners' right to trade in bidis is not at all interfered with by the legislation. Section 3 in terms provides for enabling the affected persons to adjust their business or affairs inasmuch as the Central Government can permit some time to alter their emblems, designs, etc. to carry on with their trade. Indeed in the present case the petitioners on their own application obtained, in extension of time presumably under section 3 of the  Act and, therefore, cannot complain on that score. There is built-in safeguard in section 3 itself for mitigating any hardship to persons or any rigor of the law. The  provisions are accordingly regulatory in nature and even, if at all, they impose only reasonable restrictions on the exercise of the petitioner-,' right under Article 19(1)(f) and (g). Section 4 is a consequential provision and validly co-exists with section 3. [16FG]
(iii)  From  the scheme and machinery of the  Act  there  is nothing to indicate that absence of rules will make the Act unworkable. [16G-H]
(iv) The Notification is not an executive order but is a piece of subordinate legislation made by the Central Government  under section 8 of the Act. It was duly published in the Gazette of India over the signature of the Under Secretary who was authorised for the purpose. 'Therefore, the question of violation of Article 77 does not arise. [17A]
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[Ravi:] So the Emblems and Names act has been tested in Supreme Court and been upheld. That's the good news.
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Now the issue is whether a complaint on these grounds can establish that Sathya Sai name has been used improperly by Muddenahalli Group.
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I think that will be very challenging to establish in any High Court or in the Supreme Court as Muddenahalli Group provides free medical service and free educational service to the poor and needy sections of society in India.

A top-notch lawyer like Kapil Sibal will simply tear apart any complaint that says Muddenahalli group is misusing Sathya Sai name UNLESS significant corruption and diversion of donor funds for personal use by Muddenahalli group is ****proven****. Note that travelling by charter plane, helicopter, business class, using Bentley car etc. may not, on their own, establish misuse of funds. It could be a service provided by a donor. Further, certain percentage of donor funds to meet NGO expenses would be OK.

Over the past few years I have read quite a few Supreme Court judgements in India and relevant bare acts (Indian acts). They are not that difficult to understand. There is clear logic in the way the Supreme Court arrives at its judgement. One ****does not**** need to be a lawyer to read and understand judgements of Supreme court on such matters like Emblems and Names Act.
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On the other hand, if Muddenahalli group attempts to open a casino in India using the HOLY NAME of our beloved Lord, then that can be shown quite easily in an Indian court of law, as improper use of name in schedule of Names & Emblems Act. I don't think even Kapil Sibal would be able, or perhaps would show any interest, to defend such a usage in the Indian Supreme Court.

I made this comment as we know about some statements made in the past about some casino by some Muddenahalli group person. But the country involved then was USA NOT India.
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Vr Ganti sir, After a good night's sleep, it struck me that while the "THE EMBLEMS AND NAMES (PREVENTION OF IMPROPER USE) ACT, 1950" (of India) having Sathya Sai name in its schedule may not help in preventing Muddenahalli group in general from using Sathya Sai name for their NGO organization names, their educational institution names etc. (as covered in my earlier comments), it may help in challenging Madhusudan Rao Naidu's use of the name of Sathya Sai for his (Madhusudan's) discourses, darshan, signatures and interviews, and imitation of Sathya Sai in general.

To rephrase it more precisely: As Sathya Sai name is a protected name under "THE EMBLEMS AND NAMES (PREVENTION OF IMPROPER USE) ACT, 1950" (of India) as Sathya Sai name got added to the schedule of the Act (in 2004, if I recall correctly), I think that improper use of name of Sathya Sai by Madhusudan Naidu can be established in an Indian court of law by capable lawyer(s). I think capable lawyer(s) will be able to show in an Indian court of law that this improper use results in misguidance of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide, including Indian Sathya Sai devotees, by Madhusudan Naidu. And further that this improper use dilutes and distorts the legacy and memories of Sathya Sai.

I think that such a charge of improper use of name of Sathya Sai under "THE EMBLEMS AND NAMES (PREVENTION OF IMPROPER USE) ACT, 1950" can be coupled with a general PIL against Madhusudan Rao Naidu for misusing name of Sathya Sai. My Facebook posts related to my PIL recommendation made over two and a half years ago, are as follows:

1) Satyajit opens up on Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudhan Naidu; I (Ravi) recommend PIL against Madhusudhan Naidu, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1667942820088955, dated 2nd October 2015

2) Recommending PIL to stop Sri Madhusudhan Rao Naidu from using HOLY NAME of Sri Sathya Sai Baba for his communications is an ACT OF TRUE LOVE towards both Muddenahalli group and Sri Madhusudhan Rao Naidu, and NOT AN ACT OF WAR!, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1668210083395562, dated 3rd October 2015.
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Given below is a comment I made on Mr. Ganti's post: https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10212426415480106?comment_id=10212428196324626&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D, FB post dated 27 May 2018 :

Well, I don't want to comment in detail on this matter as it is a sensitive matter. But I would say that the Sathya Sai fraternity should not put a big burden of expectation on Sai students/alumni. I think that sometimes creates problems for Sai alumni.

My experience of the boys/men alumni is that they too have regular lives with regular responsibilities to be met. They too want to have a good career and enjoy financial success and some material comforts of life. And they have their responsibilities to care for their parents, and in case of married men, provide for their families.

Sathya Sai fraternity putting too much expectation on them would make them avoid visiting Sathya Sai centres which do that.

I think Sathya Sai fraternity should allow Sai educational institution alumni as well as non-alumni devotees to grow in such matters in an organic and natural way. Some people get inspired and Bhagavan puts them in a position where they are able to take on more Sathya Sai orgn. responsibility. Those people naturally grow into these roles.

If one tries to cajole alumni into taking on heavy responsibility roles in Sathya Sai movement when they do not feel ready or comfortable with taking on the responsibility and the financial and/or time commitment involved, then I think that may not work out very well.

But this is my personal view. I am no longer associated with either the Sathya Sai orgn. or Prasanthi Nilayam ashram system. So maybe my views on such matters should be taken with generous pinches of salt :-).
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Given below are comments I made on FB post: https://www.facebook.com/shubha.kumar/videos/10160027186905538/, dated 24 May 2018 :

I think it is high time the All India President (AIP) makes a public statement giving his views on Muddenhalli group. BTW they had done a Bhoomi Pooja function for their upcoming hospital in Navi Mumbai in Nov last year, if I recall correctly. So this Nov. Madhu Baba may be opening the hospital in the presence of Maharashtra CM and some Mumbai cricket stars. That is going to add to confusion in Mumbai and surrounding areas about Prasanthi Nilayam/Puttaparthi Sathya Sai movement and Muddenahalli group. If AIP who is based in Mumbai, makes a public statement on this matter giving his stand, then at least we Prasanthi Nilayam/Puttaparthi Sathya Sai movement people will know where he stands. Is he neutral and leaving the matter to Swami's will to get resolved, or is he critical of them? And if he is critical, how critical is he of them?

My public stand is that I have no objection to the service to society medical service Muddenahalli group does and wish them all the best for it. But I have serious issues with them for supporting and endorsing the FALSE CLAIM of Madhusudan Rao Naidu of being a so called communicator of a so called subtle body of Bhagavan based in Muddenahalli.
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I should add that as a former Bombayite/Mumbaikar (born and bred in Bombay and surrounding areas) I am quite concerned that Maharashtra Chief Minister Shri Devendra Fadnavis may be getting misguided by Mahdusudan Rao Naidu and his supporters/promoters, and be given a FALSE IMPRESSION about our beloved and revered Lord, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba. CM Fadnavis shared the stage with Madhusudan Naidu at the Bhoomi Puja event and referred to him as Madhusudanji.

So I would love to see some public statements of AIP that are critical of this FALSE BELIEF of Muddenahalli group. I think that would help in preventing CM Fadnavis of Maharashtra from being misguided by Madhusudan Rao Naidu.
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Given below is are comments I made on Mr. Ganti's post: https://www.facebook.com/notes/vr-ganti/one-more-wicket-falls-vasudeven-ostensibly-an-office-bearer-from-chennai-shifted/10212365345753401/, dated 18 May 2018 :

Vr Ganti sir: On paranormal powers of Sathya Sai, I view Prof. Erlendur Haraldsson and his book on Sathya Sai miracles to be an authoritative source, documenting work of a noted parapsychology academic (Haraldsson). Here is my blog post having Notes on his book: http://ravisiyer.blogspot.in/2013/08/notes-on-prof-haraldssons-modern.html.

I have reproduced below an extract from my post about the final chapter in Haraldsson's book where he provides a summary (including conclusions of his):

Chapter 40 - HOW TO EXPLAIN: A FINAL LOOK - Notes

Haraldsson attempts to give some explanations about Swami and Swami's miraculous phenomena. He quotes Kasturi on Swami, "divine he is but also very human". Haraldsson states that Swami had the spiritual uplift side and the miraculous phenomena side.

Haraldsson gives some details about the service rendered by Swami's two super speciality hospitals, the two general hospitals, educational institutions, Sri Sathya Sai central trust, drinking water project, huge Seva Dal organization and Easwaramma women's welfare trust. He also writes about huge donations made by many wealthy people to Sai Baba's organization and says that such donors would have been deeply impressed by their meetings with Sai Baba. Some donors experienced miraculous phenomena of Sai Baba.

Haraldsson writes that Swami had a "strong ruler/disciplinarian nature" and that Haraldsson was reminded of what he thought Napoleon would have been, when he saw Swami. He notes that there was "something herculean about him" due to which he (Swami) was considered as an Avatar by many followers.

Haraldsson puts forward a "a few speculative hypotheses regarding the causes and nature of the mysterious phenomena around Sai Baba" and examines their validity. Haraldsson writes that some of the phenomena could have a "normal explanation" but not the bulk of them. Haraldsson states that the hypothesis that Baba had psychic powers which allowed him to "produce various phenomena when he wants to" is supported by an "endless number of observations and experiences" and so has to be accepted for bulk of the phenomena.

One of the hypotheses is that psychic powers may be induced in devotees of Sai Baba by their faith in him and his (Sai Baba's) power to produce vibhuti which may result in vibhuti being produced on photographs of Sai Baba (in the devotees' houses/places).

Haraldsson concludes the chapter and book (regular text part) by stating that Sai Baba gave millions of people new ideals or restored their faith in old ideals. He then states that Sai Baba "left behind, particularly in India, a great legacy and large institutions which will serve its people for generations to come".
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Vr Ganti sir, Regarding paranormal power claims of Madhusudan Rao Naidu: One of Haraldsson's hypotheses (and is given in extract above) is that psychic powers may be induced in devotees of Sai Baba by their faith in him. I think that is a very thoughtful and knowledgeable view. I tend to agree with it.

It is certainly possible that Madhusudan Rao Naidu's faith in Sathya Sai, which perhaps got raised to high levels due to his extreme financial distress (there are unconfirmed, I repeat unconfirmed, reports that he was in huge debt (huge, given his essentially middle class background) due to failures in his business and had to file an Insolvency Petition in Chhattisgarh state of India, which I believe is like filing for bankruptcy in the USA). So I personally would not be surprised if Madhusudan Rao Naidu has acquired some paranormal powers, some siddhis.

However, I think he lies and exaggerates to project a far bigger spiritual persona than the reality. And these lies and exaggerations are supported and promoted by Narasimhamurthy and C. Srinivas and other leaders of Muddenahalli group. That support and promotion, I think, are because Madhusudan Rao Naidu's lies and exaggeration are able to attract wealthy donors and bring donation money to them, for their project work and to meet any other expenses they may have (including personal expenses, I guess).

After careful study and investigation, I have found and which findings have been documented in my public social media writings, that Madhusudan Rao Naidu's wild claim that he sees and interacts with a so-called subtle body of Sathya Sai Baba based in Muddenahalli, and that he is the chosen communicator of that so called subtle body, is a FALSE CLAIM.

To provide a summary conclusion for this comment: Madhusudan Rao Naidu may have acquired some paranormal powers but his claim of being the so-called communicator of so called subtle body of Sathya Sai is a FALSE CLAIM!
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Vr Ganti sir, I believe it was acute financial distress, not just some financial problem. I think it is such desperate situations that propel somebody to try anything and risk everything for survival. In his case, not only did he survive, but got more money that he himself would have dreamed that he could make by becoming a medium/communicator of Sathya Sai and teaming up with C. Srinivas and Narasimhamurthy!!! I am told his initial medium work got the support of C. Srinivas. At that time, Narasimhamurthy was on his own dream-instruction medium spiritual trip, and so he probably was not so interested in Madhusudan Naidu. Later Narasimhamurthy seems to have got off his own spiritual trip (at least he was silent on it publicly) and put his full weight, reputation, goodwill and contacts behind Madhusudan Naidu.
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I think that may have been a single real estate deal in A.P. The impression I have is that the ***big loss*** happened in Chhattisgarh.
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Given below is a comment I made on Mr. Ganti's post: https://www.facebook.com/notes/vr-ganti/well-known-supporter-of-mudennahalli-drama-trying-to-convince-me-to-accept-madhu/10212358951673553/, dated 17 May 2018 :

I very much appreciate this stand of Vr Ganti sir, "EVEN IF BHAGAWAN SRI SATHYA SAI BABA COMES IN BLOOD AND FLESH AND TELL(S) ME THAT HE IS NOW TALKING THROUGH MADHU, I WILL TELL HIM TO GO AWAY AS I WOULD NOT LIKE TO LISTEN ANYMORE. FURTHER, I WILL TELL HIM THAT I KNOW THAT BHAGAWAN WHO SAID TIME AND AGAIN THAT HE WILL NEVER TALK THROUGH ANY MEDIUM AND HAS AND WILL ALWAYS HAVE DIRECT CONTACT WITH HIS DEVOTEES. FURTHER MORE, I WILL TELL HIM THAT MY LORD IS SATHYA SAI BABA AND WHATEVER HE SAID ANYTIME & ANYWHERE IS TRUTH THEN AND TRUTH FOREVER. That is my answer to you now also.

Even BNNM (B.N. Narasimhamurthy) has personally asked me to read some books he had written and I said I will not. Please note that BNNM started this cult organization primarily to take revenge on certain institutions and people. There is no involvement of SAI in this Mhalli Drama at all and it is all a story made up to suit them. PLEASE DON’T TRY TO CONVINCE ME THAT MADHU IS NOT FAKE AS YOU WILL BE WASTING YOUR TIME AND ENERGY."

Ravi: My own stand is that Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claim of being a so called communicator of a so called subtle body of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba based in Muddenahalli, is a FALSE CLAIM. And the earlier less publicized claim of B. N. Narasimhamurty that he is getting dream instructions as a kind of successor of Bhagavan, was also a FALSE CLAIM. Note that dream instructions of Swami for personal matters is different - that could very well be Sathya Sai. But dream instructions of Swami meant to be conveyed to others makes it a dream-instruction medium kind of matter, and that is a FALSE CLAIM.

Any person who has sincerely studied Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's words in this matter know that Bhagavan has unequivocally, unambiguously and publicly stated, many times, that he never uses mediums (or communicators) to interact with his devotees and that his communication with his devotee is direct and heart-to-heart.

See this around 1 minute video where Swami says that his connection to his students/devotees is direct connection, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp-4N2W3S8c. Swami is always with us - that feeling is what Swami asks us to strengthen. Now after Bhagavan's Mahasamadhi this is what we must strengthen and not run after FALSE CLAIM mediums and communicators and impersonators/imitators of Sathya Sai.
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Given below is a comment I made on FB post: https://www.facebook.com/shubha.kumar/posts/10159997767505538, dated 15 May 2018 :
Wonderful and truthful words! The really extraordinary thing about the Avatar Sathya Sai was how he would teach such Vedanta type truths to family people, and also tell them that it is up to them to pray for the right thing! As he says he will give what the devotee earnestly prays for! The boon-giver is also the highest Vedanta type truth teacher! What an extraordinary combination of spiritual facets and genius, Kali Yuga Avatar, Shiva-Shakti Swarupa, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba had while in physical form, which I am sure continues now in the formless aspect!
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Given below is a comment (slightly edited) I made on FB post: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159990758300538&set=a.10150229148135538.460763.780480537&type=3&theater, dated 13 May 2018 :

The great tragedy is that the celebrity status of cricketers like Mr. Sunil Gavaskar, one of the greatest Indian cricketers who brought a lot of glory to India, is used/misused to promote FALSE BELIEF of Muddenahalli Group and its so called chosen communicator Madhusudan Rao Naidu. I feel very sad to see this post as Gavaskar was one of my sports heroes during my youth, and so I could not bring myself to Like or share this post.

But neither can I find fault with sister --name-snipped-- for putting up the post. Somebody has to do the harsh job of being critical of such icons who are contributing to FALSE BELIEF of Muddenahalli group being spread in Sathya Sai fraternity and beyond. [I have had to do such critical posts of some other people and had to force myself to do those unpleasant tasks.] I thank sister --name-snipped-- for taking up this particular unpleasant task which contributes to upholding and protecting Sathya & Dharma in Sathya Sai fraternity.
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Given below is a comment I made on Terry Reis Kennedy's post: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10216534796581216&set=a.1627496606106.2082337.1197289954&type=3&theater, dated 9 May 2018 :

I am no longer part of Sai orgn. nor a part of Parthi ashram system, though I am a well wisher of both Sai orgn. and Parthi ashram system. As far as I know, the official orgn. stand is that office-bearers cannot visit or support Muddenahalli group in any way. And I have publicly written that I support such a stand of the Sai orgn.

But I think non office-bearer devotees/members of Sai orgn. do not have such a restriction. Of course, if they solicit funds in MDH name or try to poach on devotees in Sai orgn., then it is a different matter. I think then they should be kept at a safe distance from the Sai orgn. centres/events.

Regarding efforts of MDH trolls to silence their critics on social media: I think people should publicize any such efforts they make. That will help in creating a proper documented case of cyber-bullying (using Facebook fake IDs for example) and related offences, if and when the situation warrants police complaints in appropriate countries e.g. Muddenahalli, Karnataka, India and Melbourne, Australia where the MDH trolls seem to have a safe haven to operate from.
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Given below is a comment I made on Mr. Ganti's post: https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10212294005329935?comment_id=10212305337893242, dated 7 May 2018 :
 I think it is very good of Mr. Vr Ganti and others to clearly and unambiguously share the divine words and instructions of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba on the matter of communicators and mediums (to never entertain their claims). Those who choose to follow these divine instructions of Kali Yuga Avatar, Shiva-Shakti Swarupa, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba will stay away from the imitator and FALSE-CLAIM so called communicator of so called subtle body based in Muddenhalli.

Some however seem to want to create another group with a diluted and distorted view of Sathya Sai teachings and misuse the name of Sathya Sai. The big hassle for me is that they are using the name of my beloved and revered Gurudev Sathya Sai, and disseminating diluted and distorted teachings in His Holy Name.

I would NOT have any issue if they did it on ***their own name(s)*** - Madhu Baba (or Madhu Sai Baba) and Narasimhamurthy Baba - and worship photographs of Madhu Baba and Narasimhamurthy Baba. Then it would be a Madhu Baba - Narasimhamurthy Baba spiritual group and NOT associated with Sathya Sai. That would resolve my main issues with them. People then would no longer get misguided and fooled by Madhu Baba's and Narasimhamurthy Baba's FALSE CLAIM that they are speaking the words of Sathya Sai.

I have said publicly earlier and I repeat that now: In my considered view, Madhu Baba has emerged as a spiritual leader in his own right. So let him now follow Kurnool Bala Sai Baba and Nepal Sanjay Sai Baba and start preaching in the name of Madhu Baba (or Madhu Sai Baba) but NOT Sathya Sai Baba.

Like I don't have any major issues with Bala Sai Baba or Sanjay Sai Baba, I will not have any major issues then with people doing Padanamaskar to Madhu Baba, Madhu Baba imitating Sathya Sai and singing bhajans of Sathya Sai. We then can call his devotees as Madhu Baba devotees (instead of Sathya Sai devotees), and there will be less or very limited confusion.

Once again, I would like to say that I appreciate the work of Mr. Ganti and others in sharing with the Sathya Sai fraternity on Facebook (and elsewhere), the words of Sathya Sai to never accept claims of communicators and mediums (wrt to Sathya Sai). I think that contributes to less number of people getting misguided by Madhu Baba who is misusing the Holy Name of Sathya Sai Baba.
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