Wednesday, January 30, 2019

Positive and good documentary film on Kumbh Mela by India Inspires

KUMBH-Eternal Journey of Indian Civilisation-A Documentary Film, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReWiJ4pd6Kc, 1 hr 9 mins, published on 11th Jan 2018 by India Inspires.

I finished watching the video today. I think it is a positive and good documentary on the Kumbh Mela. I enjoyed watching it.

It has a small part about Sathya Sai devotees with Seva Dal scarf & badge serving devotees at Kumbh Mela (this would be a previous Kumbh Mela not the current one). Those (two) screenshots are given below.

[To open pic in higher resolution, right-click on pic followed by open link (NOT image) in new tab/window. In new tab/window you may have to click on pic to zoom in.]





[I thank India Inspires and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing two screenshots from their video on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Referrals: John Chambers named for Padma Bhushan award of India; John Chambers and his association with Wang Laboratories

Readers may want to visit the following posts on another blog of mine:

1) John Chambers of USA, ex Cisco chairman, formerly with Wang Labs., ex US India Business council chairman, is named for Padma Bhushan, third-highest civilian award of India, https://ravisiyermisc.blogspot.com/2019/01/john-chambers-of-usa-ex-cisco-chairman.html, 28th Jan. 2019

2) Some info. on John Chambers and his association with Wang Laboratories, based on Web articles, https://ravisiyermisc.blogspot.com/2019/01/some-info-on-john-chambers-and-his.html, 30th Jan. 2019

Sunday, January 27, 2019

Nobody should be pressurized to sign our petition against Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud

From my recent Facebook post, Nobody should be pressurized to sign our petition against Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud : https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2401237053426191

Recently I got a private Facebook message from a Sathya Sai devotee who was very upset with what she viewed as pressure from somebody else to sign our petition against Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud, https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu. Note that this person says that she has no intention to go to Muddenahalli. So she implies that she is NOT a Muddenahalli supporter.

I am not in favour of anybody pressuring anybody to sign our petition. Polite requests are fine and I am thankful again to those who have shared our petition and requested people to sign. But we should stop at polite request and not get into pressurising.

Let us accept the reality that most Sathya Sai devotees who do not associate with Muddenahalli group and don't believe in Madhusudan Rao Naidu claims, prefer not to get involved in public activism against Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud by signing the petition.

We should not get upset with those who choose to not get involved in signing this petition. It is their choice whether to sign or not sign. If they don't, we must graciously accept their choice and their decision.

Let us not allow this petition to create discord and disharmony among Sathya Sai devotees who are Prasanthi Nilayam supporters but are NOT interested in this activism.
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A comment I put up on the above post later (slightly edited):
The person who had complained to me on Facebook message is a Facebook user called --name-snipped--. I shared the above post with her. But she was not satisfied with it. She said she is going to complain (to ashram authorities) and that she is going to include my name and Mr. Ganti's name in the complaint. And that she will include my private chat remarks with her, in the complaint.

I saw that she was trying to threaten me and dominate me. So my earlier sympathetic stand towards her feeling upset changed to anger against her for these efforts of her to threaten and dominate me. I told her that she cannot bamboozle me by these things. And told her that she can complain to whoever she wants. She can even complain to the Indian govt., the Australian govt. and the Singapore govt. I told her that these governments have courts of law that deliver justice. She will know then what is right and what is wrong.

--name-snipped-- has told me, or rather threatened me, that I will see (what she can do by complaining against me).

I asked --name-snipped-- to stop interactions with me and said that if she does so I will block her. I have also unfriended her. I also deleted the private conversation I had with her.
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Saturday, January 26, 2019

Contents & comments of my FB post: Time to close our Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud petition?

Last updated on 30th Jan. 2019.

Given below are contents of my recent Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2399854756897754, and most of my comments on it.

Time to close our Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud petition? Please let me know your thoughts

In the past around 10 days there has been only one additional signature to our petition: Declaration by Sathya Sai devotees and alumni & staff of Sai educational institutions, condemning spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu, https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu.

So I think it is time to close the petition now with a final petition-closure update thanking all those who signed and commented for the courage they have shown in publicly associating their name with this declaration condemning spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu.

As of now we have 363 (+ 1 test) signatures from around 40 countries in the world. Those are sizeable numbers (both number of signatures and number of countries).

I will publicly share the final signatures list as well as comments list, after whitening test data. So this will be a public record accessible on the Internet for those who search the Internet (e.g. using Google search) for terms like:
Madhusudan Naidu spiritual fraud petition list of signatures

If required I can create a country-wise list of signatures and publicly share that too. The default list from change.org is chronological and NOT country-wise.

Please let me know what you think about this.

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In response to comments I wrote (slightly edited):
[Thanks] --name-snipped-- and --name-snipped-- for your views that it is best to wait for a little longer, and pray to Swami for the answer. I will bear that in mind as I view other responses. Thanks.
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In response to a comment that it will not be useful to publish the data as there surely are many more people against MDH, I wrote (slightly edited):
Thanks for your valuable view --name-snipped--. What I feel is that while there are many more who are upset with Madhusudan Naidu's outrageously false claims, only a few are willing to publicly say so.
Others prefer to stay silent publicly.

So I thought I should acknowledge the courage of the ones who are willing to say so ***publicly***.
I will await the views of the others on this. Thanks again.
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In response to a comment that it would not be useful to publish the outcome and that it looks like a defeat and laughable and gives more power to MDH, I responded (slightly edited):
I certainly don't view it as a defeat. It was an individual's effort and certain individuals responded. I am NOT an office bearer of International Sai orgn. or Indian Sai orgn. If I had been one and put up a petition under that banner then it would have been a defeat.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this petition contributed in some way to the top 3 Sathya Sai organizations in India and the world making specific mention of Madhusudan Naidu and denouncing him in strong words in their recent 'Note'/announcement.

Thanks for your comment even if I disagree with you. I will await the views of the original group who supported the idea of me as an individual putting up the petition.
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In response to comment that it definitely was not a defeat as it was intended to be a small scale effort, and whether we could harness the result, I wrote (slightly edited):
Thanks --Name-snipped-- sir for your view that it is definitely not a defeat. Regarding harnessing the result, I leave it to others to consider it. I might join such a "harnessing the result" effort but as a contributor and not taking the lead like I did with this petition. In the petition I was focused on only providing a platform to interested individuals in stepping forward publicly and saying that Madhusudan Rao Naidu is a spiritual fraud.

Note that one of the major reasons for Muddenahalli group and Madhusudan Naidu to have grown and trapped many in its spiritual fraud is that few people were willing to publicly criticize them. This, very unfortunately, even included some top office bearers of Sathya Sai orgn. in India (e.g. All India President of Sathya Sai orgn.) and the world. Fortunately, the top 3 Sathya Sai orgn/institutions in India and the world recently put out a note clearly denouncing Madhusudan Rao Naidu. As I said earlier, I think our petition may have had some role in this clear denouncement of Madhusudan Rao Naidu in that Note. Of course, the Sathya Sai orgn. top office bearers will not openly acknowledge that our petition played such a role.

One of the reasons I want to publish the final list at petition closure time is to provide data to others who would like to harness the result of a list of courageous people who have publicly condemned Madhusudan Naidu from around 40 countries in the world.

As far as I know, there is no such list available publicly. The earlier petition two years ago gathered around 1500 signatures, https://www.change.org/p/president-of-indiamr-pranab-m-p-m-narenda-modi-mr-rajnath-singh-u-m-h-mr-arun-jaitley-f-m-to-stop-muddenahalli-scam-of-sri-sathya-sai-baba-impersonation-in-public-interest. But it did not publish any list of signatures. So there is no data for other activists to examine and consider additional actions.

Therefore I think we should publish the final list (the earlier lists for this petition have already been published).
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A person responded (slightly edited) to above: Absolutely sir, a defeat by no means. This was a zero budget, zero advertising/marketing, purely voluntary effort. It is true that a typical mdh gathering might get more attendance than our survey responses, but one must not forget that a lot of money and extreme propaganda has gone into the making of the mdh. Therefore if laughability is being claimed it's not an apples to apples comparison. A more apt comparison could be that of a small Diya/lamp (your survey) amidst the thick smoke/darkness being spread by mdh.
Hats off to you!
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I wrote (slightly edited):
Thank you so much --name-snipped-- sir for your encouraging words. My pranams to you sir.
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The person responded (slightly edited):
Absolutely sir, and at the risk of sounding cheesy and sentimental, let me say this too: let's hope small lamps that are being lit by individual leaders like you and Ganti Sir are used to light several other lamps across the entire world until the darkness/illusion of mdh gets dispelled completely.
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I wrote (slightly edited): Ravi S. Iyer Aap ke muh me ghee shakkar --name-snipped-- sahab! [Idiom in Hindi, meaning may your words come true].
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In response to a comment that said that the petition has not been circulated enough and ..., I wrote (slightly edited):
Noted your views --name-snipped--. Thanks. Regarding the petition being circulated at Sai centers - that will have to be considered by official Sathya Sai orgn. Not in our hands, I think.
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In response to another comment, I wrote:
Noted your view that we should not stop the petition now. Thanks for your view. Will bear it in mind.
About "why not try" - I think you are referring to Sai centers matter. I am NOT associated with any Sai center or Sai orgn. now. So I am not in a position to try that. Somebody else who is associated with Sai orgn. could try.
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I wrote:
Ideally, Indian and International Sathya Sai orgn. should put up such a petition. So should the educational institutions of Prasanthi Nilayam (e.g Sai university). And announce it in Sai centers and the educational institutions. That will result in huge number of signatures, I am sure.

But the problem is that the top office bearers of Sathya Sai orgn. in India and at international level, and the Sai university administrators, do not seem to be interested in such sort of activism.
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I wrote (slightly edited):
Initially I wanted to ignore the word 'laughable' in a comment response by --name-snipped--. Perhaps the person who made the comment did it in a spirit to help. I wanted to go the extra mile to avoid any issues.

But now I feel that it will be appropriate to comment on it. The point made was that the outcome "looks like a defeat and laughable and gives more power to mdh".

I have already addressed the defeat part of the comment. Now I would like to focus on the 'laughable' part.

I think it is particularly unhelpful when people who have not taken an active role in promoting the petition, step in and mock it as a laughable outcome. I mean, if they do not want to contribute to promoting it, that's fine. But to not contribute and then mock it as looking like a laughable outcome, is not being a good member of the team, in my considered opinion.

I certainly do not consider the outcome of 364 (+ 1 test case) signatures, (we have one more signature now), from around 40 countries, as laughable. I am grateful to those who stepped up to sign an individual's petition which was promoted by a few people but NOT promoted by an institution or organization.

Perhaps some people think anything below 3000 or 30000 signatures in this matter is laughable. OK, they are entitled to their view. But let me ask them: Have they initiated a new petition against Muddenahalli group that will get 3000 or 30000 signatures? If not, then what right do they have to call our petition's 364 signatures from 40 countries as laughable?

Criticizing others is very easy, laughing at work done by others is very easy. The challenge is to do such work themselves and show that they can get 3000 or even 30000 public signatures (which can be verified if needed) against Madhusudan Naidu and/or Muddenahalli group. Then at least their laughter will carry some weight.
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In response to comment, "Those who laugh last, laugh the best. Thank you again Sir", I wrote (slightly edited):
Thanks --name-snipped-- sir.
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In response to a comment I wrote (slightly edited):
--Name-snipped-- - Thanks for your comment and the words that 'laughable' was not "the most appropriate word". I certainly found that word to be hurtful to our petition work and not helpful, and so had to express my views on it.

It has been my experience in the Sathya Sai fraternity that at times cold water is thrown at those who take up initiatives while most prefer to be bystanders watching the show.

Now that you have expressed the view that "laughable" was not the most appropriate word, I think it is appropriate to the let the matter go. Thanks again for the clarification.

I would also like to share my view that I had not expected three hundred and fifty to sign the petition when I put it up as an individual. I was expecting a less than hundred number, say in the thirties or forties. And was fine with such an expectation as my intent was to show that I and Mr. Vr Ganti were not stopping at only asking Sai university alumni and Sai university alumni-staff (most of whom, very unfortunately, are playing silent witness or sitting-on-the-fence role in this Muddenahalli big & divisive split in Sathya Sai fraternity) to put up a change.org petition against Madhusudan Rao Naidu aimed at alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions.

The Sai university alumnus-person whom I had asked to put up a petition and also told him not to worry if only a few people sign the petition, did not go ahead. So I felt that I or Mr. Ganti should show that we will 'walk our talk' but with the petition aimed at Sathya Sai fraternity at large with specific mention of "alumni & staff of Sai educational institutions". That's how the petition got put up. Though I am certainly less popular than Mr. Ganti who has a very large following on Facebook, after discussion with Mr. Ganti, I decided to put up the petition on my name as I am a **former** teaching-staff in the Sai university and also provided that information in the petition. I felt that would add some weight as the petition was aimed in part at the Sai educational institutions' alumni and staff.

I was NOT AFRAID of getting few signatures. At least the petition would have been put up and we would know what the situation is.

Now, as expected, very few alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions stepped forward to sign the petition. As expected, most prefer to be silent witnesses to Madhusudan Naidu spiritual fraud and play safe, sitting on the fence without wanting to offend their friends in Muddenahalli group, and so, I think, did not sign the petition.

Another point is that I ***know*** that I am NOT a popular person, especially among Sai university alumni, as I have been a whistle-blower of the tragic betrayal by top Sai university administrators from Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014 which is one of the main reasons why Muddenahalli group grew unhindered during those years and now has become such a big and divisive threat to Sathya Sai movement worldwide. Truth-tellers and whistle-blowers are not popular people among the communities about whom they have spoken the truth and blown the whistle.

Therefore, in the petition itself, I wrote, "If some readers of some group agree with the declaration but are not comfortable with signing it due to issues with the petitioner, they are free to get their group to create a similar petition under some other person's name and then sign it along with others of their group."

This was in the hope that much more popular people than me among Sai educational system alumni, even if they are not alumni themselves but have social media pages and forums which are popular among alumni, would put up a similar petition, and get lots of alumni signatures against Madhusudan Naidu. But, so far at least, that has not happened.

But what we have now is this petition with 364 individuals from 40 countries in the world, who have shown the courage to take a ***public stand*** against Madhusudan Rao Naidu. I am very happy that this petition was able to get these many signatures. And these many signatures were made possible only because of the support provided by many to spread the word and encourage their friends and readers to sign the petition. I thank all those who provided this support and all those who signed the petition.

I repeat that in my considered view, this petition is NOT a defeat. Others may view it as such and they are entitled to their view.
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In response to a comment, I wrote (slightly edited):
I don't care how Muddenahalli guys respond. They can laugh or cry or do whatever. They have chosen to follow and promote a spiritual fraud and surely will have to face the consequences of that.

If you, --name-snipped-- sir, find it laughable, then we can discuss the matter. Of course, I will find it very offensive if you find it laughable but we can have a frank exchange of views on it.
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In response to a comment, I wrote (slightly edited):
Well, the laughable part of your comment is somewhat confusing as it does not correctly convey what was mentioned in the original comment - I do not want to get into details as I don't want to rake up the issue further.

But let me presume that you, --name-snipped-- sir, are of the view that the 364 signatures from 40 countries we got for our petition is NOT laughable. You have also said that "the number is good considering the kind of likes at least my notes relating to Mhall receive". I think that is a very accurate view of the reality on the ground despite the supposed 5 million Sathya Sai devotees worldwide.

Thank you sir.
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In response to comment, "Ravi S. Iyer thank God you understood", I wrote (slightly edited):
Sorry --name-snipped-- sir, if I was being too nitpicky. It is my computer software developer background that kicks in, at such times, where I try to look at the implication of every word in all the sentences like I used to as a software developer, in documents like software specifications and design specifications and even computer program source code.

Once a software engineer/developer perhaps forever a nitpicky guy when it comes to important matters. It may be a boon at times, and a curse at other times. C'est la vie!
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In response to a comment that mentioned cheating by some software engineers, I wrote:
Oh! There are ethically good software engineers and ethically bad software engineers. I was not claiming that all software engineers are ethically good.

What I was trying to convey was that the profession of software engineering forces the practitioner (software engineer) to minutely understand software specifications, analyze it, minutely understand design specifications and minutely understand software program code, if they want to be a good (not ethically good but professionally good) and competent software engineer.

The computer is a ruthlessly logical machine. If the program code has bad logic it will follow the bad logic and deliver wrong results which sometimes can have terrible impact on human systems, and eventually terrible impact on the software engineering team that developed it (e.g. getting fired from the job).

So fear of getting fired from the job forces a competent software engineer to minutely examine documents like system specifications and design specifications and also program code. Otherwise the lack of competency gets exposed quickly and the person may lose his/her job.
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I wrote (slightly edited):
Aum Sri Sai Ram!

All the three responses on the main question I raised about whether it is time to close our petition, are that I should NOT do so. As suggested by some, I also prayed to inner Swami. One of the issues I have in such prayer to inner Swami is that I just get into a beingness state, and don't get a specific response. So I am sorry on that count. But my feeling is that I should go along with the view expressed that I should NOT close our petition.

So I have decided to follow the unanimous majority view expressed by 3 persons (--names-snipped--) and keep the petition open. Unless some major event happens in this context, I plan to keep it open for long. And, if at all, sometime in future, I think it may be time to close the petition, I will ask you folks again. BTW I don't know if there is any time limit in change.org to keep a petition open. If I get any intimation of time limit being crossed from change.org I will let you folks know.

Thanks for your views on this matter.

I also am planning not to publish any more information on signatures for this matter (other than what has already been published) as that has been the view expressed by 2 persons (--names-snipped--). If at all somebody asks me why his/her name is not present in the list already put up, I will reconsider the matter. Otherwise I will just keep the petition open without any further updates or any further sharing of data.

--Names-snipped--, you may want to view this comment.

Thanks to all for their comments and interactions on this matter. Jai Sai Ram!
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In response to comment, "Yes,. and.. Have you been invited to sign the members of Mr. Samuel Sandweiss's group? Ravi S. Iyer ?" I wrote (slightly edited):

I am afraid that I am not willing to go so far as Mr. Sandweiss has gone where Muddenahalli group were compared to Mahishasura demon and devotees were urged to become like Durga fighting Mahishasura. I have great fear that that brings in violence overtones. So far our fight against Muddenahalli has been a NON-VIOLENT fight. Therefore I did not join Mr. Sandweiss' group. But neither am I coming in the way of their approach against Muddenahalli group. I wish them all the best and pray that there will be ***NO VIOLENCE*** in our fight against Muddenahalli group.
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In response to a comment, I wrote (slightly edited):
I think I am being very responsible in my comment. I saw the concerned videos about Mahishasura and Durga with a Professor (perhaps of Sanskrit or Hinduism or South Asian Studies). I have to go by my impression of those videos. You seem to have got a different impression of those videos and you have to go by your impression.
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In response to a comment, I wrote (slightly edited):
I did not say that Dr. Sandweiss' group has violent leanings. You are misreading what I have said. I wrote: "I am afraid that I am not willing to go so far as Mr. Sandweiss has gone where Muddenahalli group were compared to Mahishasura demon and devotees were urged to become like Durga fighting Mahishasura. I have great fear that that brings in violence overtones."

What I have said is based on the video(s) I saw. The issue was the message conveyed in the video(s) and NOT that the group has become violent.

Perhaps you are not so exposed to how messaging in such matters can result in undesirable effects. I have done a lot of study of these things over the past few years. And I feel it is appropriate for me to air my view on this matter. You are free to ignore my view on the matter. Thanks.
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In response to a comment, "I would like to learn more about this comparison to Durga and Mahishasura... Is there a place where one can find more? I do find it a tad bit humorous if true.", I wrote (slightly edited):
Dr. Sandweiss publishes his videos online here: http://blog.pathoftransformation.org/countering-the-split/ . While I don't recall the exact titles of the videos referencing Mahishasura and Durga, I think this video title and its immediately preceding and following videos may have that reference: "Can strong dark forces from the spiritual realm camouflage and mimic God — causing chaos and disruption in the world? An interview with Sanskrit scholar Professor Sthaneshwar Timalsina Ph.D gives answers found in numerous spiritual texts."

The impression I have is that Dr. Timalsina may not really know the full context of Muddenahalli group and Madhusudan Naidu. His expertise seems to be in Sanskrit scripture and so he perhaps has an exaggerated view of how Muddenahalli group is operating, thereby bringing in a comparison with Mahishasura and Durga, which was a horrendously violent fight.
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In response to a comment, I wrote (slightly edited):
I did NOT say that Dr. Sandweiss is violent. I am talking about the messaging in the video(s) he put out about Durga and Mahishasura. Hindu scripture has a very strong influence on me. Like me, I am very sure that Hindu scripture has a very strong influence on many Hindus, especially those who live in India. Durga and Mahishasura are very well known in India even today, with Durga being celebrated annually in a big way at Durga Puja functions and other functions.

My fear is that such messages about Durga and Mahishasura in the context of our NON-VIOLENT fight with Muddenahalli group's Madhusudan Naidu spiritual fraud, may easily get interpreted in a wrong way by some viewers of such videos. Now that may not be Dr. Sandweiss' intent. But that's how it may get interpreted. Therefore I view it as my duty as a responsible social media writer on these matters to point out this serious concern that I have.

Now you may not have felt that it could get misinterpreted. Fine. That's your view and you are entitled to it. But, based on a lot of study I have done on these matters in India today, I certainly have a concern about that getting misinterpreted in India by some Hindu followers of our beloved and revered Lord, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, who I and many others view as Kali Yuga Avatar and Shiva-Shakti Swarupa with teachings that are appropriate for our Kali age. Thanks.
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In response to a comment, I wrote (slightly edited):
Sai Ram brother. Well, there was an earlier change.org petition titled, "Stop Madhusudan Naidu from Muddenahalli Tantric Scam using Sri Sathya Sai Baba name." in 2016 if I recall correctly, https://www.change.org/p/president-of-indiamr-pranab-m-p-m-narenda-modi-mr-rajnath-singh-u-m-h-mr-arun-jaitley-f-m-to-stop-muddenahalli-scam-of-sri-sathya-sai-baba-impersonation-in-public-interest. It garnered 1520 signatures.

So our petition is not the first such petition with signatures against Madhusudan Naidu. However, our petition is very focused on Madhusudan Naidu spiritual fraud, and aimed at the Sathya Sai fraternity itself rather than Prime Minister, President and other top govt. leaders of India. The previous petition outcome in terms of whether any letter was sent to top Indian govt. leaders and who were the signatories in any such letter, was NOT shared publicly. So it is difficult for other activists against Muddenahalli and Madhusudan Naidu spiritual fraud to build up on that petition's work.

I tend to agree with you that our petition would have influenced the recent Note put up by all top 3 Sai orgn/institutions in the world - SSSCT, Indian Sai orgn and International Sai orgn. I think the parts related to Madhusudan Naidu in the Note would have been influenced by our petition.
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Thursday, January 24, 2019

About why I put up my iami1.wordpress.com blog on spirituality and God & Science arguing for faith against atheism, and then self-published the paperback & ebook on it

Recently, in a private conversation, I felt the need to state why I chose to publicly argue about my beliefs via my iami1 blog and book. Could I not have focused on leading a changed life based on my beliefs and not get involved in publicly arguing about my beliefs via the blog and book? This post is based on my response and only my response in that private conversation (which I feel is ethical to share publicly without sharing the other person's conversation parts).

Let me share a joke with a lot of inner meaning and so more of a powerful message than a joke, which I related to very much during the initial years of my spiritual journey with the Sathya Sai fraternity and Sathya Sai Baba.

After you get exposed to and develop belief in Sathya Sai Baba:
* Initially you become a Bannerjee. This implies that you go on an advertising campaign about him to all and sundry.
* Then you become a Chatterjee. This implies that you tone down a little from advertising campaign but still talk about him to all and sundry.
* Finally you become a Mukherjee. This implies that finally you become silent and stop any advertising campaign about him.

I think the above 'joke' would apply to many different spiritual communities and deities and not just the Sathya Sai devotee fraternity.

I had become a Mukherjee for many years, focusing on my own individual spiritual journey and trying to get rid of the many human flaws that I had and still have. I was happy being a Mukherjee (rather silent witness to God) limiting my interactions on faith to private discussions with others.

But after Sathya Sai gave up his physical body in April 2011 and our devotee community went through a lot of trauma, chaos and confusion due to the **huge** spiritual-power vacuum that got created by his physical absence, my life took a different turn. I saw that powerful people from within our own Sathya Sai devotee community were trying to dilute and distort his legacy, and trying to misguide many followers to follow them now as kind-of successor(s) to Sathya Sai. Power-craze madness had gripped a few top people in our Sathya Sai fraternity and, very unfortunately, many devotees got trapped by them and associated with them, leading to a big split in the Sathya Sai devotee fraternity.

I also saw that one atheist and top scientist in India had viciously attacked Sathya Sai's legacy in a horrifyingly unfair way, through an article in 'The Hindu', one of the top English language newspapers in South India.

And as I turned to a more broader faith scene in the world, I saw that atheist-scientists like Richard Dawkins were **mocking** people of faith. I examined more closely some horrific Islamic extremist ideology which gave a terrifying view of Islam. Note that I am a follower of Shirdi Sai Baba who was viewed by many during his times, as a **peaceful** Islamic Sufi saint who would often say, "Allah Maalik" (Allah/God is the master/owner/boss). Note that Shirdi Sai Baba had devotees from various faiths including Hinduism and Islam and he preached respect for all these religions. I am very, very comfortable with and have great respect for **peaceful and loving** Sufi Islam.

Given all this reading and exposure mainly after Sathya Sai gave up his physical body in April 2011, I felt that I should do my small bit for spiritual seekers from all religions, to provide a more balanced and truthful view of spirituality as some leading figures interpreted it, with some views of mine also being added to it. I wanted it to be focused on spiritual philosophy and teachings thereby avoiding controversy with respect to any particular contemporary or near-contemporary spiritual master, including my beloved & revered Gurudev (spiritual master), Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

I wanted it to be across faiths focusing on the core philosophy and human values that have kept these faiths alive for centuries and millennia. And I wanted it to expose the flaws in the arguments of the scientist atheism-preachers using views of other top scientists who were either believers in God or were truthful in openly saying that they cannot say that there is no God. I felt that such a blog may be a good thing for spiritual seekers from all religions who respect science (and technology) but also are interested in faith. I felt that this blog may help youngsters from all religions, who have faith in God, to protect that faith in the face of scientist atheism-preachers who try to mock and destroy their faith in God.

Another point was that my own spiritual journey has been very much influenced by books, and to a lesser extent by blogs and websites, that I read. So I felt at that time, that since I was in a position to contribute as a blogger initially and later as a self-published author, I should do so, as a way to give back to the world of books and blogs and websites, from which I have benefited so much.

That resulted in me creating the iami1.wordpress.com blog in September 2011 but whose main work was done from mid 2012 to mid 2015. Note that this blog is NOT-FOR-PROFIT and is freely accessible by anybody on the Internet. The paperback book, "Who am I; I am I ...", https://www.amazon.in/dp/B07K7M2963, is based on that blog and was self-published in 2018 as I felt that a printed book may be preferred by some rather than a blog (or even an ebook).

Leading a changed and good life after developing faith in God is a very powerful way of living one's faith and spreading that faith through one's living example. Arguing with others about one's faith especially with scientist-atheists can be a very distressing experience. I too did not want to do that. But as I saw what the scientist atheism-preachers were doing and the damage that it could do to communities of faith, I felt that I should not stay silent. I think it is up to the person and the person's situation whether one should get into the unpleasant task of publicly exposing flaws in the arguments of atheism-preachers. My situation was such that I could and strongly felt that I should, and so I did.

Tuesday, January 22, 2019

Great to know that over 5,000 individuals have registered to take sanyas (monkhood) during ongoing Maha Kumbh Mela

Over 5,000 to take ‘sanyas’ during Kumbh, https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/allahabad/over-5000-to-take-sanyas-during-kumbh/articleshow/67619129.cms, 21st Jan. 2019

It is great to know that around five thousand individuals have registered to get ordained as renunciates/monks (sanyasis) during the ongoing Kumbh mela. [BTW sainthood is not the right translation for sanyas; monkhood would be a more appropriate one.]

From my readings and observations about current day Hinduism, there is no doubt in my mind that Hindu sanyasis and sanyasinis (equivalent of monks and nuns) play a vital role in keeping core Hindu traditions strong across Hindu communities which are now spread around the world and not limited to India or to even people of Indian origin. [I am utterly delighted to see some people of non-Indian origin from many parts of the world adopt some Hindu traditions.]

And, of course, they also keep intense and even ascetic Hindu spiritual practices strong.

My prayers to God to shower His Grace on those who get ordained as sanyasis and sanyasinis during the ongoing Maha Kumbh Mela, and help them spiritually progress individually, and also help them to contribute positively to upkeep of Hindu traditions and faith among the community at large, as well as contribute to the spiritual progress of the community at large.

Saturday, January 19, 2019

My view on why SSSCT trustees should not go to Muddenahalli and demand explanation from them for setting up their cult organization

Last updated on 20th Jan. 2019

This post is based on a recent comment response I made on Facebook elsewhere in the context of a suggestion made by somebody that a particular SSSCT trustee should lead a delegation to Muddenahalli and demand explanation from them for setting up their cult organization.

From my perspective, Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust (SSSCT) is a body of nine trustees. I think it is inappropriate to talk about any particular trustee, in this regard. What should be discussed is the action of the body of SSSCT as a whole.

So should SSSCT as a body, "COME TO THE FRONT AND LEAD A DELEGATION TO MHALLI (group based in Muddenahalli, Karnataka, India) AND DEMAND EXPLANATION FOR SETTING UP A CULT ORGANIZATION"?

What power does SSSCT have over Muddenahalli group for Muddenahalli group to entertain such a demand for explanation? Muddenahalli group may use such a visit by SSSCT to humiliate them as revenge for the criticism SSSCT has made against them. If Muddenahalli group was interested in having talks with SSSCT to resolve this major divisive problem and get united with official Sathya Sai orgns and institutions, they surely could have approached SSSCT. They want to have their own show with the spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu being their cash cow. Why will they want to give up that cash cow and unite with official Sai orgn. which will ask them to first stop Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud?

As I understand it, in such power and authority matters, SSSCT is a charitable trust organization like Shirdi Sai Sansthan (official Shirdi Sai Baba temple orgn.) - that's it. For us devotees of Sathya Sai, we may give a lot of value to words of SSSCT. But that is limited to us devotees of Sathya Sai. SSSCT's power and authority is over the private institutions it manages, including Prasanthi Nilayam. It does not extend to governance and power and authority in the whole state of Andhra Pradesh let alone the state of Karnataka which is where Muddenahalli group is based.

Power and authority in such matters is vested in the Hon'ble Chief Minister of the concerned state who has to act within the laws of the state and country. The Hon'ble High Court of that state is the topmost body in the state to which an Indian citizen or Indian trust like Muddenahalli trust can go to, to seek relief from any illegal action taken by the state government against them, with the Hon'ble Supreme Court of India acting as a body for appeal against verdict of the High Court. That's it, I think. Nobody else has the authority. SSSCT trustees have no authority over Muddenahalli group, including over Muddenahalli group's Loka Seva Trust, as things stand now (the court case against Loka Seva Trust deed amendments making it a Muddenahalli group controlled trust has yet to be decided).

Why have Sathya Sai Prasanthi Nilayam activists of various countries of the world not LED A DELEGATION TO MHALLI group events in their country where Madhusudan Naidu and Narasimhamurthy were present, AND DEMANDED EXPLANATION FOR SETTING UP A CULT ORGANIZATION? I think they have not done so because they would have felt that they did not have power & authority to force a proper explanation from Muddenahalli group in their country.

[Note that I know of at least two cases where an individual Prasanthi Nilayam supporter/activist (different individual in the two cases) attended a Muddenahalli group event in their country, once in USA and once in UK, and demanded an explanation from Muddenahalli group for their activities or protested about Muddenahalli group claims and/or activities. But it was an individual action and not a group delegation action. While one appreciates the courage of these individuals for these actions, I think it should also be said that these individual actions did not seem to have any significant negative impact on Muddenahalli group activities in the respective country.]

Similar to what I have mentioned in above two paragraphs, I think SSSCT trustees, either individually or as leader(s) of a delegation OR as a group of trustees, going to Muddenahalli group to demand an explanation from them is not a good idea as SSSCT has no authority over Muddenahalli group and its leaders like Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan Naidu.
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Given below are my comments on my Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2395100770706486, associated with this blog post:

In response to a comment, I wrote (slightly edited): --Name-snipped-- - I don't think I know the God fraud statute you are referring to. Note that cases of so-called spiritual gurus/holy men extracting money from gullible Indians by making false promise of some sort like cure of disease or some material problem of theirs getting solved, is different. In such scenarios, the person who paid the money and did not get the promised outcome can go to the police and file a cheating complaint. Indian Penal Code Section 420 is, I think, the key section that deals with cheating cases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_420_of_the_Indian_Penal_Code. Every once in a while, we read reports in Indian newspapers about some so-called spiritual guru or holy man, being arrested by the police ****based on complaint made by somebody who paid them money and was cheated****. I don't think we have had any such cheating police complaint made against Madhusudan Naidu.

Freedom of religion is a very important concept in many democratic countries of the world. I think that is why Madhusudan Naidu is able to freely travel and openly make his false claims not only all over India but in many other countries of the world.

However, my personal view is that the identity theft court case (legal suit) possibility is a good one. But, for reasons best known to them, none of the official Sai orgns/institutions have made a legal challenge on identity theft to Madhusudan Naidu ***anywhere in the world***. Note that even Sathya Sai orgn. USA could file an identity theft case against Madhusudan Naidu when he visits USA claiming to speak Sathya Sai's words.

It would be great if SSSCT or some country's Sai orgn do that. But they haven't so far. We have to live with that, I think.
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In response to a comment, I wrote (slightly edited): Noted your responses --name-snipped--. Thanks.

IPC 416 - Cheating by personation seems to be similar to Identity Theft. I think there is a new law for Identity Theft as I see references to it but am not sure. .. 423 may not apply to Madhusudan Naidu as it deals with transfer deed.

About devotees who say they were cheated by Madhu or Muddenahalli group: Well, they may feel that way. But what is required I think is a clear case of promise made for money donated which was not fulfilled. That's when the police may accept it as a criminal complaint. I don't think any such police complaints have been made in India against Madhusudan.

I am told that one person who had donated some money in 2011 or 2012 to Narasimhamurthy, and then felt cheated, explored the possibility of police complaint. But the money donated was used to construct a school as promised, I believe. So there was no grounds for police complaint.

So I am afraid, to the best of my knowledge, in India nobody who feels cheated ***and is prepared to make a police complaint***, has had proper grounds to make a cheating police complaint against Madhusudan or Muddenahalli group.
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In response to comment "423 was about Narasimhamurthy.", I wrote (slightly edited): --Name-snipped-- Noted. Yes, that seems to apply given what we have been told by SSSCT about fraudulent amendment of Loka Seva Trust deed.
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In response to comment, "Cheat by personation:
"A" cheats by pretending to be "B" who is deceased. "A" cheats by personation." I wrote (slightly edited):  Good find. I think that seems to be the right IPC section to legally challenge Madhusudan.

As I looked up Identity Theft law in India, the results I am getting are for cyber identity theft which
is covered under some new law for IT (Information Technology).

So maybe the right legal words to use in context of Madhusudan case is IPC Section 416, "Cheating by personation". Thanks for digging this up.

Perhaps the legal brains in Sai orgn. already know all this - there are criminal lawyers (Shri Nimish Pandya) and at least one former High Court judge in the top echelons of Sai orgn/SSSCT in India. They would surely know these sections well. But they have stayed silent on this matter and SSSCT/Sai orgn. has NOT filed a "Cheating by Personation" case against Madhusudan. Why? I have no idea.
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In response to comment, "Perhaps they had to wait until he actually claimed he was Sai Baba. Otherwise he was just "channeling" his spirit. Now it's a whole new ball game. Especially since he's using Sai Baba to get donations.", I wrote (slightly edited): Hmm. That's an interesting point. Yes, now Madhusudan claims that he is Sathya Sai Baba. It seems to me that legally it would make it a different ball game.
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Thursday, January 17, 2019

Good to see categorical condemnation of Madhusudan Naidu spiritual fraud by Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust and Indian and International Sathya Sai orgns.

Last updated on 18th Jan. 2019

http://media.radiosai.org/journals/vol_17/01JAN19/Note-from-sri-sathya-sai-central-trust.htm dated 17th Jan. 2019

The document is signed by the Member-Secretary of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust (SSSCT).

I have given below a screenshot of a section of the document which is related to spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu.

[To open pic in higher resolution, right-click on pic followed by open link (NOT image) in new tab/window. In new tab/window you may have to click on pic to zoom in.]



Given below is the text in above pic:

Sacrilegious Behaviour of the Impostors

To right thinking devotees of Bhagawan Baba, the claims being made by one Sri Madhusudan Naidu,a former student of Sri Sathya Sai University (known as Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning) and Sri Narasimha Murthy, a former hostel warden of its Brindavan campus, that Bhagawan Baba was in communication with them in a subtle form and progressively that Bhagawan Baba had entered the body of Madhusudan Naidu, who is now claimed to be Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba himself, is unacceptable. It is mind-boggling that such claims are supported by all their cohorts, by pretending reverence and bowing down to Madhusudan Naidu and even referring to him as "Swami". To add colour and credence to these false claims, Madhusudan Naidu has now started donning ochre colour clothes and on the 23rd of November 2018, in a public function held at Muddenahalli, a declaration was made that Baba had entered the body of Madhusudan Naidu and he started taking his seat in Baba's chair, which is reverentially placed in all congregations of devotees all over the world as well as in Prasanthi Nilayam. This has offended the sentiments of a large number of devotees.
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Update: Added one more screenshot of the document condemning spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu.


Given below is the text in above pic:

Devotees are cautioned, in their own interest, not to engage themselves with the caucus at Muddenahalli or be misled by any false claims being made by anyone that Bhagawan Baba is now living in the body of Madhusudan Naidu and that Madhusudan Naidu is the very embodiment of Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.


Lovingly in the Service of Sai

for and on behalf of The Trustees
[handwritten signature]
GSRCV Prasad Rao
Member - Secretary
Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust

Nimish  Pandya
All India President
Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisation of India

Dr. Narendranath Reddy
Chairman, Prasanthi Council
Sathya Sai International Organisation

Prasanthi Nilayam
January 17,2019
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I provided the info. in the post above in our petition via this update: https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu/u/23898581.

Four Kerala nuns who publicly protested against rape-accused bishop get transfer orders which may isolate alleged-rape-survivor nun; My view: Financial dependence on spiritual institution may be the crux of the problem

From my recent Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2393093974240499

I am not surprised by this development of the nuns who protested publicly against the rape accused priest, being separated and transferred elsewhere. Now what will these nuns do? If they are financially dependent on the Church organization they are associated with, they will have no option but to obey the transfer order.

I think in our early 21st century times, spiritual aspirants from all religions should, if possible, ensure that they do not become financially dependent on the spiritual institution that they get associated with in a full time capacity, and always have a workable exit plan to fall back on, if and when they get exploited by the institution. I say, if possible, because I think the brutal reality is that for many persons who have associated with spiritual institutions in India right from a young age in a full time capacity, they are financially dependent on the institution and have little or no prospects for getting a well paid job outside the institution. These people are stuck with these institutions for life, whether they like it or not!

Kerala: Four nuns who protested against rape-accused bishop transferred by church, https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala-four-nuns-who-protested-against-rape-accused-bishop-transferred-by-church/, 16th Jan. 2019.
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An update:
4 Kerala nuns who stood up for rape survivor 'punished' , https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/4-kerala-nuns-who-stood-up-for-rape-survivor-punished/articleshow/67564981.cms, 17th Jan. 2019

The nuns are staying with the alleged-rape-survivor nun and the attempt seems to be to separate them from the alleged-rape-survivor nun. A small extract from above article:

The nuns have said that they would not obey the orders. "This like a disciplinary action against us," Sr Anupama said. "We are preparing a reply to the superior general... This is a ploy to torpedo the case and isolate the survivor nun," she said.
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On above FB post, in response to comment, "This episode is in a very bad taste & should be condemned. Anna, I do agree with your write up. Everybody should be financially independent, otherwise they can be taken advantage of.", I wrote (slightly edited):

Well, sister --name-snipped--, I think the brutal reality is that of those who associate full time with spiritual institutions, only a few are fortunate to be financially independent - by financially independent I mean that either they have sufficient money/assets or they have the ability/skills to easily get alternative jobs outside the institution. The large majority of people who associate with spiritual institutions full time are financially dependent on it directly or indirectly (through earning money by offering commercial services e.g. food or lodging, to visitors to/devotees of the spiritual institution) and do not have easy alternative jobs/sources of income. And some of this latter group have no choice but to silently tolerate abuse of power inflicted on them.
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[I thank indiatimes.com and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above small extract from their website on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Tuesday, January 15, 2019

Madhusudan Naidu spiritual fraud petition update: Latest signatures and comments files

On this petition, https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu, at 11:09 PM IST on 14th Jan. 2019, we have got 362 signatures. We had 333 signatures on 7th Jan. 2019 evening. So that makes it around 29 signatures in around 7 days - an average of around 4 new signatures per day.

The new signatures counted manually from the signatures file below, are from Sri Lanka (2), India (13), Guatemala (1), South Africa (1), US (4), Portugal (1), Italy (4), Malta (1), Argentina (1), Singapore (1), Croatia (1) and Australia (1). This totals to 31. I think the difference (31 instead of 29) is due to update delays or some other minor issue like that.

What is clear is that there is slight but continued interest in the petition across various countries in the world.

To save time, I have not whitened 1 test user signature and 1 test user comment (both made by me).

Here are the latest signatures and comments files

Signatures: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mNBwpSQ6YpRgCdWsKsD0MMYbgYfhQw_8
Comments: https://drive.google.com/open?id=12enVROakj8S4pCYMVJ3I9O83BRhlZoac

One update related to signing process is that it seems that unchecking the checkbox field labelled "Display my name and comment on this petition" does NOT hide the name of the signer on the petition - it seems to get added to the petition signatures list! So I have modified the original petition to delete the paragraph advising readers that they could hide their names in the petition signature list by unchecking that checkbox field. I have also removed the option to write an email to me to remove their name from the petition signatures list as now that will be too cumbersome to do (as many earlier signature lists have already been shared publicly and ...). So far no one has emailed me to remove their name from the petition signatures list.

Thursday, January 10, 2019

I agree with Shashi Tharoor's religious belief related stand on Sabiramala deity, Ayyappa (Supportive of "Ready to Wait"); Some additional views of mine on it

Please note that I have a PUBLICLY POLITICALLY NEUTRAL role in this post which references an Indian political leader.

I entirely agree with the following points related to belief in Sabiramala deity Ayyappa, expressed by Dr. Shashi Tharoor in this article: Forgive me liberal friends, but I can’t completely overlook faith of Sabarimala devotees, https://theprint.in/opinion/forgive-me-liberal-friends-but-i-cant-completely-overlook-faith-of-sabarimala-devotees/174990/ . Please note that I am not commenting at all about Indian politics and Indian political parties mentioned in the article.

1. Confusion of liberals about the restrictions on women’s entry into Sabarimala.

2. Sabarimala worshippers "believe in its legends the way Catholics believe in the Virgin Birth or Muslims in the divine revelation to their Prophet, as beliefs integral to their faith. Just as a Supreme Court verdict ordering the Catholic Church to ordain women as priests and bishops in the name of gender equality would occasion outrage rather than compliance, so also this verdict has been rejected by those who believe it assaults the very foundations of their faith in the deity installed at Sabarimala."

3. There has been no mass movement of women having faith in Sabirimala deity, seeking to have access to Sabiramala at any age. Tharoor writes that many (women, I presume) told him that "the nature of the deity at Sabarimala is such that if you believe in Him, you would not wish to disturb Him as a naishtika brahmachari. They are therefore “Ready to Wait”." [Ravi: Naishtika brahmachari means eternal celibate. See http://sanskritdictionary.com/nai%E1%B9%A3%E1%B9%ADhika/19067/4 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmacharya.]

4. Some of the women of the age 10 to 50 who want to go to Sabiramala temple are not going there out of belief in Sabiramala deity (which would include not wishing to disturb Him as a naishtika brahmachari).
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Ravi: My considered view on this matter is that the Hon'ble Supreme Court of India should give adequate weightage to belief in the Sabiramala Ayyappa deity being eternal celibate, and the tradition followed strictly by what seems to me to be an overwhelming majority of women believers in that Ayyappa deity, to NOT take darshan of the deity between ages 10 to 50, as the belief is that such an act may disturb the deity.

Yad bhaavam tad bhavathi - As is the feeling and the emotion, such is how it/one becomes. The feeling, the emotion, the belief is a vital aspect of Bhakti/devotional traditions in Hinduism. For the sake of a few women who may not be sincere believers in this vital traditional belief associated with the Sabiramala temple's deity, the Hon'ble Supreme Court's decision, which has been appealed, seems to have caused immense suffering and disturbance to what seems to be the overwhelming majority of women believers of the deity who are "Ready to Wait" and almost all of men believers of the deity. They are suffering as they believe that the deity's sacredness has been violated by women of age 10 to 50 taking darshan of it.

My considered view as an Indian resident, an Indian citizen and a Hindu, is that the Hon'ble Courts of law of India are not qualified to judge whether the belief that women of ages 10 to 50 coming before the deity may disturb the eternal celibate nature of the deity, held by large number of Sabiramala deity devotees, both men and women, is good or bad, right or wrong. That should be left to the devotees and the priests and the Sabiramala temple management. It is their responsibility, not that of the Indian courts of law, to consider what traditions should be changed in our early 21st century times and what traditions should be left unchanged.

Women who would like to worship other Hindu deities are free to visit almost all other Hindu temples in India. If women would like to have a women only deity whom men should not take darshan of (perhaps some such Hindu deities and its Hindu worshippers already exist), I think the Indian constitution's freedom of religion sections should be interpreted in such a way that women are allowed to have such a deity and such worship traditions. As a Hindu man, I would certainly support the right of Hindu women to have such a deity and such worship traditions.

[I thank theprint.in and Dr. Shashi Tharoor, and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above small extracts from their website on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Tuesday, January 8, 2019

Wonderful Sanskrit song expressing love for India and wonderful singing by Western lady

SANSKRIT LOVE SONG TO INDIA, composed by Shri Chandrabhanu Tripathi, sung by a Western lady (teacher of Sanskrit in UK, I believe), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpv8eMlXuzM, 4 min. 23 secs.

The youtube video description gives the English translation of the verses of the song.

The last lines of the song as translated to English in the video description, are very appropriate, in my considered opinion:

"We bow to the land, to India,
The one supreme dharma, we always esteem,
For which we offer our wealth, our life,
Beloved India, always to be respected"

Ravi: Bharat is the land of Dharma, the land of Tyaga (sacrifice) for the sake of Dharma, the land where God is adored through various ways, and the land where God loves to incarnate in human form!

प्रियं भारतं तत् सदा वन्दनीयम्
Beloved Bharat (India), always to be revered!

I truly, truly believe the above line based on living most of my over five decades life in Bharat/India. Bharat/India is a holy land of reverence to God and a land where Dharma is always looked up to, even if people may not fully practise it in this age of Kali.

Monday, January 7, 2019

Petition Update: New signers rate has dropped; Last 24 hours saw only around 14 new signers

Aum Sri Sai Ram

On this petition (https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu), we have got 333 signatures around 7:10 PM IST on 7th Jan. 2019. We had 319 signatures around the same time yesterday and so we have seen only 14 new signers in the around 24 hours between them. Note that after this update, the next update may be made only after some days or weeks.

How long should we keep the petition open for signing?

My view is that we can keep it open for many more weeks unless there is another petition/declaration on the same lines from some alumni leader and/or top administrator of SSSIHL who is an alumnus (e.g. Registrar, Controller of Examinations of SSSIHL or Director of an SSSIHL campus). Note that Madhusudan Rao Naidu is an alumnus of SSSIHL. So it will be very fitting for senior SSSIHL alumni leaders and/or senior alumni who hold senior administrative positions in SSSIHL to publicly condemn their junior alumnus Madhusudan Rao Naidu who has misused his status as "Sai student" or "Swami student" to misguide thousands of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide using Bhagavan's HOLY NAME.

Note that the alumni response to this petition has been lukewarm. Perhaps only 10 to 20 signers are alumni which makes it around only 3 to 6 percent of the total signers (over 330). Only around five publicly declared that they are alumni.

If alumni leaders are hesitant to publish a similar petition/declaration then I think a top International Sathya Sai organization leader should publish a similar petition/declaration.

Such a petition/declaration would surely gather more signatures as it would be from a recognized leader. Therefore I strongly recommend and urge that a similar petition/declaration condemning spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu be made by one of the above leaders. If such a petition is made then to prevent confusion among Sathya Sai devotees, it would be best to close down this petition and so I will do so. I am sure that most, if not all, of the signers of this petition would be glad to sign a similar petition made by a senior alumni leader or senior SSSIHL administrator or International Sai orgn. leader.

Any suggestions from signers and readers are welcome.

Latest signatures and comments files
Signatures: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1B3luMa_9-9achI-7kwdRxyz2JLw9OqZL
Comments: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wfT0i8WeKgDWCQF2dFe1ASBB_Spghpq1

Note that the above files have test entries and some HTML tags whitened.

I have also shared these files on the Internet here: https://archive.org/details/ListofSignaturesinPetitionAgainstMadhusudanNaidu


Country - Count of Signers

Argentina - 1
Australia - 2
Bahrain - 1
Canada - 3
Chile - 1
Croatia - 2
Dominican Republic - 1
Fiji - 1
Finland - 1
France - 1
Gabon - 1
Germany - 1
Guatemala - 1
Hong Kong - 1
India - 131  [130 signers + 1 test signer]
Indonesia - 3
Israel - 1
Italy - 75
Lithuania - 1
Malaysia - 14
Mauritius - 1
Mexico - 1
Netherlands - 1
New Zealand - 1
Oman - 1
Peru - 1
Qatar - 1
Russia - 6
Saudi Arabia - 1
Singapore - 6
Slovenia - 1
South Africa - 8
Sri Lanka - 2
Switzerland - 2
Taiwan - 1
Trinidad & Tobago - 1
UK - 11
Ukraine - 1
US - 41
Venezuela - 1
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Total signers - 332 [331 signers + 1 test signer]

Jai Sai Ram!

Sunday, January 6, 2019

Petition Update: List of signatures, comments and country-wise statistics

Last updated on 7th Jan. 2019

[This petition update was made around 8 PM IST, 6th Jan. 2019 on change.org.]

Aum Sri Sai Ram

On this petition (https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu), we have got 319 signatures around 7:05 PM IST on 6th Jan. 2019

I did not get any request to NOT publicly share their name so far (till around 7.40 PM today, 6th Jan.).

The first petition PDF file linked below has the name and place information of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide who showed the courage to publicly speak up against Asathya (untruth) & Adharma (unethical behaviour) of spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu by signing this petition. The second petition PDF file linked below has 'Reason for signing' or other comments made by some signers.

I thank all signers for this public stand they have taken via this petition. I think it will help in some way to save some persons from getting trapped by Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud and even help some persons who have already been trapped by Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud to escape from it. Even if a few such persons get saved from Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud, it will be a worthwhile achievement of this petition. Further, I think this petition will become a public record of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide who came together and publicly condemned Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud.

1) In list of signatures PDF file, one entry was a test entry. That has been whitened out. The file is 88 KB in size and 17 pages long, and here is its public view link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wS0rBR0CRmsGISOON9WL49xWZ517FjUs

2) In list of comments PDF file, one entry was a test entry. That has been whitened out. The file is 75 KB is size and 8 pages long, and here is its public view link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1pvN7k_lxnqF6mU65kURBTffoOWLrzRNF

3) Downloaded .csv signatures file at around 7.10 PM on 6th Jan. has 317 signatures' data. So perhaps the latest 2 signatures' data is not included in the file. Given below is the country-wise statistics gathered from the .csv signatures file. Note that one signer from India is a test entry and should be deducted from the count (so it is 316 signers + 1 test signer).

Country - Count of Signers
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Argentina - 1
Australia - 2
Bahrain - 1
Canada - 3
Chile - 1
Croatia - 2
Dominican Republic - 1
Fiji - 1
Finland - 1
France - 1
Gabon - 1
Guatemala - 1
Hong Kong - 1
India - 129  [128 signers + 1 test signer]
Indonesia - 3
Israel - 1
Italy - 69
Malaysia - 13
Mauritius - 1
Mexico - 1
Netherlands - 1
New Zealand - 1
Oman - 1
Peru - 1
Qatar - 1
Russia - 6
Saudi Arabia - 1
Singapore - 5
Slovenia - 1
South Africa - 8
Sri Lanka - 2
Switzerland - 2
Taiwan - 1
Trinidad & Tobago - 1
UK - 11
Ukraine - 1
US - 38
Venezuela - 1
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Total signers - 317 [316 signers + 1 test signer]


Jai Sai Ram!
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I felt it appropriate to add a pic of the 1st page of Signatures. To get the whole page in a pic I have compressed the pic. Please zoom/magnify it to read the information more easily.

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About our petition: So far nobody has mailed me requesting that their name not be shown publicly; How I plan to share it

Our petition link: https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu

After 7.00 PM Indian Standard Time (IST) today (6th Jan. 2019), I will be sharing the petition, signature and comment info.

After some thought, I feel the best way for me to faithfully and ethically share this data would be as follows:

1. I will download the "PDF: petition letter and signatures" from change.org. Note that I have added the main contents of our petition to the body of the petition letter now (earlier I had not known that I had to do this). Given below are pics which show how the two pages of the petition letter and part of the next page which is the start of signatures section, look now (downloaded around 9.30 AM, today 6th Jan.) with names masked (except mine). When I share the PDF after 7 PM today, the names will NOT be masked, except for any requests to NOT share their name that I receive on my public email id of ravi@raviiyer.org (I repeat, no such requests received so far).

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I had made one test entry which I will white out in the downloaded PDF using https://www.pdfescape.com Online (free) version.

Then I will copy this PDF file into a public area of my Google Drive. The link of this PDF file in Google Drive will then be shared on my Facebook and Blog posts.

2. I will do something similar for "PDF: petition letter and comments" from change.org. After whiting out a test entry, I will share the PDF on my Google Drive public area and provide the link of that shared PDF file on my Facebook and blog posts.

3. After some thought I have decided NOT to include the signature data (names, place etc.) directly on either my Facebook posts or my Blog posts. I think that is a safer approach from a respect for signers data perspective. Essentially only the change.org generated petition letter + signatures and petition letter + comments will be shared publicly, and this I think would fit in with the change.org model where these two letters, I think, are typically provided to the target person/audience of the petition. In our case, the target/audience is the Sathya Sai fraternity and so we will be providing these letters to them by sharing them publicly.

4. As the petition author, I also have the option to download a .csv format file having signature data (and another having comment data). This .csv format file can be opened in Microsoft Excel. I will NOT be publicly sharing these files which do not have any major additional data to what is shared in above PDF files. However, I will analyze it to get country-wise statistics which I will share.

5. I plan to provide a preface comment to the petition public PDF file links as follows:

Aum Sri Sai Ram

The first petition PDF file linked below has the name and place information of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide who showed the courage to publicly speak up against Asathya (untruth) & Adharma (unethical behaviour) of spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu by signing this petition. The second petition PDF file linked below has 'Reason for signing' or other comments made by some signers. I thank all signers for this public stand they have taken via this petition. I think it will help in some way to save some persons from getting trapped by Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud and even save some persons who have already been trapped by Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud to escape from it. Even if a few such persons get saved from Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud, it will be a worthwhile achievement of this petition. Futher, I think this petition will become a public record of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide who came together and publicly condemned Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud.

Jai Sai Ram!
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Any suggestions or feedback from readers are very welcome. Thanks.

Saturday, January 5, 2019

Petition Update: Will be sharing petition signature info. with Sathya Sai fraternity via social media from tomorrow

[This update was made a few minutes ago and is for our petition: https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu. The update text and attached pic are given below.]

As of 6.50 PM Indian Standard Time on 5th Jan. 2019, 283 persons have signed this petition.

Petition signers should please note that while signing the petition, they see a checkbox field labelled "Display my name and comment on this petition". By default this checkbox is checked/On. If they don't want their name (and city/town & country) and comment to be displayed/shared in the petition, then they ***MUST*** uncheck this checkbox.

Petition signers should further note that as the petition has been addressed to Sathya Sai devotee fraternity worldwide including alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions, the petition signature data (name, city/town & country, and comments) provided to me, the petition creator, by change.org will be shared with the Sathya Sai devotee fraternity via public posts on social media.

This is how change.org gives my own signature data in the PDF file it generates and allows me to download:
Name Location Date
Ravi S. Iyer Puttaparthi, India 2018-12-30

Also see attached pic which shows the beginning page (partially) of Signatures section of the petition signatures PDF file with most names except mine, masked out.

If any petition signer has NOT unchecked the "Display my name and comment on this petition" while signing the petition, but would NOT like his/her name (and city/town & country and comments) to be shared with the Sathya Sai fraternity on social media, they may please request that by writing to me at my public email id: ravi@raviiyer.org .

I plan to publicly share the signer-names, place (city & country), date of signing and comments after 7.00 PM Indian Standard Time (IST) on 6th Jan. 2019 (tomorrow). Of course, this will be an intermediate stage document as the signing activity may go on for some weeks more.

Thanks. Jai Sai Ram!
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Have decided to inform petition signers that I will be sharing the petition signature data with Sathya Sai fraternity via social media, requesting those who don't want their signature data to be shared to let me know

Given below are the reasons why I now feel it is ethical (fair) for me to share petition signature data (name, city & country, comments) provided to me by change.org, with the Sathya Sai fraternity. However, I will provide an option to signers to write to me if they don't want their signature date to be shared with Sathya Sai fraternity.

1) How does change.org help/guide documentation suggest using the petition and signatures?

From http://guide.change.org/decision-makers

Print your petition or download a digital copy onto a flash drive or CD and bring it with you. Being able to show the decision-maker the signatures and comments of your supporters is a powerful argument.

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Now our petition is directed to: Sathya Sai devotee fraternity worldwide including alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions

Therefore it is logical to share the petition signatures and comments with the Sathya Sai devotee fraternity worldwide including alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions. That can be done by publicly sharing it on social media.

2) While signing the petition, by default the checkbox field labelled "Display my name and comment on this petition" is checked (on). So the change.org signing form and process specifically informs the petition signatory that his/her name and comment will be displayed in the petition UNLESS, it seems to me, he/she unchecks the checkbox field. [I have made a test signature to check this out, where I have unchecked the checkbox field. So when I generate a report of signatures from change.org, say tomorrow, if my understanding is right, I should NOT see this test signature-name in it.]

Therefore I think it is ethical to share these petition signature-names along with place information and comments that change.org provides me with those the petition is directed to: Sathya Sai devotee fraternity worldwide including alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions.
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Modifications I will make in the petition, which I will also include in a petition update

Petition signers should please note that while signing the petition, they see a checkbox field labelled "Display my name and comment on this petition". By default this checkbox is checked/On. If they don't want their name (and city/town & country) and comment to be displayed/shared in the petition, then they ***MUST*** uncheck this checkbox.

Petition signers should further note that as the petition has been addressed to Sathya Sai devotee fraternity worldwide including alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions, the petition signature data (name, city/town & country, and comments) provided to me, the petition creator, by change.org, will be shared with the Sathya Sai devotee fraternity via public posts on social media.

This is how change.org gives my own signature data in the PDF file it generates and allows me to download:
Name Location Date
Ravi S. Iyer Puttaparthi, India 2018-12-30

Also see attached pic which show part of page 1 and page 2 of the PDF file with most names except mine, masked out.

If any petition signer has NOT unchecked the "Display my name and comment on this petition" while signing the petition, but would NOT like his/her name (and city/town & country and comments) to be shared with the Sathya Sai fraternity on social media, they may please request that by writing to me at my public email id: ravi@raviiyer.org .

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Ravi: In this post I have provided two separate pics of part of page 1 and page 2 of the change.org signatures PDF file. In the petition update I think I will have to combine the two pics into one, or provide an external link to them.

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Miscellaneous posts & comments on Facebook in January 2019

When author of post or comment is not mentioned, it should be assumed that it is me (Ravi S. Iyer).

On FB post,

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On my FB post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2289871497896081, I responded to a comment on 30th Jan. 2019, as follows (slightly edited):

Alok Dara Shikoh : Very sorry to know about forcible conversion of your ancestor to Islam. I am fine with people voluntarily, without any threat or without any material inducement, converting to a religion. But forcible conversion is bad.

Regarding polygamy: My views on polygamy in India have changed over the past decade or so, based on my readings about society in India and my observations of life in rural Anantapur district of Andhra Pradesh. Karunanidhi, the late well known political leader of Tamil Nadu, had multiple wives. Many rich and powerful people either have multiple wives or a wife and one or more mistresses which knowledge is well known in the community. These additional wives/mistresses are even respected as additional wife/wives of the rich and powerful man. These mistresses and their children are happy to be accorded that status and be provided financial and other support from the rich and powerful man.

I have not studied the history of polygamy laws for Hindus in India, but I am quite sure that they would have been introduced by the British. Prior to these British laws, Hindu men were permitted to have multiple wives. Hindu history including Hindu scripture history provides ample testimony to that.

So the British imposed anti-polygamy law on Hindu men, has not really been found acceptable to many Hindus, especially in rural India, not only in the 20th century but even in this early 21st century. So they look for ways to live a polygamous life without getting into legal trouble. Some have mistresses who they do not legally marry but whom they treat as a second wife, with the first wife, even if she is unhappy with the second marriage, not interested in going to court against her husband.

I should also mention that I was told that among Scheduled Tribes at least, polygamy is permitted by ***law*** in India. So ST Hindu men, if my source was correct, are legally permitted to have multiple wives.

Given the milieu of my extended family environment in Mumbai and surrounding areas, where I was raised and which is the educated urban middle class Indian milieu, I and people in my extended family (we are South Indian Brahmins with most of my generation of the family being raised in Bombay and nearby areas) would be aghast at anybody in the family  practising polygamy where it is public knowledge that a man has multiple wives. So let me make it clear that I am ***not*** an advocate for polygamy. But I have ***come to terms*** with the fact that many rich and powerful Hindu men and some not-so-rich and not-so-powerful Hindu men too, especially in rural India, lead what has to be viewed as a polygamous life even if, on legal paper, they appear to be monogamous.

I do not view such persons as unethical or bad people, so long as they take care of their additional wives and children. I am even prepared to respect them. However, I don't think I have personally interacted much with any such effectively polygamous Hindu men.

Regarding Hema Malini, I don't think she uses her Muslim name much. I don't think I was aware that she and her husband converted, on paper, to Islam, as Hema Malini's children use the surname of Deol which seems to be a Hindu surname and not Muslim. Perhaps Hema Malini and her husband converted, on paper, to Islam to avoid being legally challenged by the first wife or others. If so, I think I am OK with that. I would not then say that Hema Malini and her husband are religious Muslim converts as they have just used a technical means to skirt the British imposed anti-polygamy law on Hindu men.

And, of course, I respect Hema Malini and her husband, even if they led a polygamous life.
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This article, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004564/bio, states that Dharmendra's first wife refused to divorce him.
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On FB post, https://www.facebook.com/notes/vr-ganti/ssio-singapore-at-last-took-action-against-mhalli-faction-and-is-committed-i-und/10214043768872930/, dated 28th Jan. 2019:

In response to main text of post, "SSIO, SINGAPORE, AT LAST, TOOK ACTION AGAINST M’HALLI FACTION AND IS COMMITTED, I UNDERSTAND, TO CLEAN UP THE SAI ORGANIZATION", I (Ravi) wrote:

Tough step, but after having given so many warnings about Muddenahalli spiritual fraud, if a center is still not able to take a clear stand against Muddenahalli spiritual fraud, there is no other option but to take such steps as you have shared. Hopefully, the concerned center will now take a stand against Muddenahalli spiritual fraud.
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On FB post, https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10214008347627421, dated 19th Jan. 2019,

In response to main text of post, "TO BE HONEST & TRUTHFUL IS VERY EASY BUT TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND THAT ONE IS HONEST AND TRUTHFUL IS VERY DIFFICULT - DO YOU AGREE?", I (Ravi) wrote:
The world does not like truth-tellers so much. Fantasy spinners are more popular. Such is life :-).
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I (Ravi) wrote: I would like to add that for those of us who are still on the path of spiritual progress (me surely) and are limited to individual consciousness and do not experience universal consciousness (on a regular basis), what we perceive as the truth in material life may be slightly different from the real truth. We arrive at a view of what the truth is, in a particular matter, e.g. the very divisive split in Sathya Sai fraternity caused by Muddenahalli group, based on information gleaned from various sources about the critical private and public events that led to the split and the growth of Muddenahalli group and its false belief in Madhusudan Naidu. But, if we were not actually present at the private events which is the case for almost all of us who publicly write about these matters on social media, our perception of those private events would surely have some variations from what actually happened. I mean, we base our views on what was communicated to us by others and not on some video footage we have seen of those private events.

So our perception of the truth in some matters may be at some variance from the real truth. Sometimes we may be 100% sure that our perception of the truth is ***the truth and the only truth*** and get very worked up if others do not accept our perception (version) of the truth. But we would be wrong to get so worked up as our perception of the truth may have some errors. One should NOT attempt to dominate others mentally by saying, "I know the truth because I have invested a lot of time to uncover the truth. You just listen to me and believe me." That would not be appropriate. Instead one should present his/her perception of the truth and leave it to others whether to accept it as the truth or not, and one should always be open to publicly expressed dissenting views by people who have the reputation of being truthful and responsible (trolls who hide behind fake IDs certainly do not fall into this category). Such dissenting views may help correct some of the errors in our perception of truth which we believe to be 100% truth.

But great spiritual masters who are at high levels of universal consciousness, I believe, have direct access to the truths of even such private events where they were not physically present. It is my personal experience of our beloved Lord Sathya Sai (physical form) that he would simply know about private matters related to me that were not known to any other normal person.

So for Sathya Sai, it is my deeply held belief that truth and his perception of the truth were the same, for matters like the above mentioned one, and about deep spiritual truths of existence.

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On FB post, https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10214000371308018, dated 18th Jan. 2019 I wrote the following as comments:

(Slightly edited): --Name-snipped-- sir, I am very happy with the categorical condemnation of Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud by all the top three official organizations founded by our beloved and revered Lord, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, for our spiritual uplift - Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust, Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisation of India and Sathya Sai International Organisation. I mean, this is from the combined highest level of the official Sathya Sai orgns. founded by Bhagavan Himself. What more can we ask for, in terms of declaration of a clear and unambigious stand against Madhusudan Naidu! I am very satisfied with this stand of theirs.

Even if Shri Nimish Pandya has not publicly spoken against Madhusudan Rao Naidu, his name and designation is mentioned in the document. So, unless he issues a public denial, it has to be viewed as the stand of the All India President of Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisation of India. As a former member of the Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisation of India from around 1993 to 2002, I am very happy that the All India President of Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisation of India is given as a signatory to the document (even though his signature is not there). I mean, in the final analysis, it is NOT the particular individual who holds the post currently that is important, but what is important is the official stand of the All India President of Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisation of India. And this document puts that down as an official record even though it does not carry the signature of the individual who holds that post currently.
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(Slightly edited): --Name-snipped-- sir - Comparisons can be odious! Why don't we take a view that those of us who spoke up and acted against Asathya-Adharma of Muddenahalli group which was, and still is, distorting and diluting the legacy and memories of our beloved Lord Sathya Sai, were given an opportunity to be humble instruments of the Lord, and be happy with that? Bhagavan gave us an opportunity to serve the cause of Sathya & Dharma and we should be happy with having served that cause. Let us not get into grading of level of contribution and impact. We did it together. Let the credit go to the group that did it together rather than individuals in it. Jai Sai Ram!
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I don't think earlier denunciations focused on Madhusudan Naidu.This one does. Also, I think this is the first time I am seeing a document with name of Nimish Pandya, All India President of Sathya Sai orgn. which denounces Madhusudan Naidu and Muddenahalli group. ... Of course, such denunciations will NOT solve Muddenahalli group and Madhusudan Naidu problem. But it will help some devotees avoid getting trapped by them.

Freedom of religion is a very important concept in many democratic countries of the world. I think that is why Madhusudan Naidu is able to freely come and openly make his false claims in Singapore. The same is the case in India.

But the identity theft case possibility is a good one. However, for reasons best known to them, none of the official Sai orgns/institutions have made a legal challenge on identity theft to Madhusudan Naidu ***anywhere in the world***. It would be great if they do that. But they haven't so far. We have to live with that, I think.
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(Slightly edited) Well --Name-snipped-- sir - you and I and others putting up our posts and notes against Muddenahalli group and Madhusudan Naidu are individual actions and NOT official Sathya Sai orgn. denunciations. The Sathya Sai devotee community pays a lot more importance to official Sathya Sai orgn. denunciations and notes, and so ****official Sathya Sai orgns.*** denunciations are important, in my view, in more robustly countering Muddenahalli group's false claims.

Regarding your suggestion that some leaders should go and meet Madhu and Narasimhamurthy to sort it out, I think that could have been a possible solution ***prior*** to Madhu getting firmly set in his madness. Now what can be achieved by leaders going there - they will try to convert them to believers in Madhu!!!

Now Muddenahalli group leaders and donors should wake up and smell the coffee, and ask Madhu Baba to stop his drama, and focus instead on formless aspect of Sathya Sai Baba. That's when Muddenahalli group will come out of the Asathya-Adhrma trap that Madhu Baba and Narasimhamurthy have taken them into.
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(Slightly edited): --Name-snipped-- sir, I felt it is important to respond to your comment in a manner which is understood by most readers of your large readership Facebook posts. So I will be mentioning some points which you surely know but it is for the benefit of other readers who may not know.

From my perspective, Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust (SSSCT) is a body of nine trustees. Note that the document you shared in this post was signed by the member-secretary (a trustee who is also playing the role of Secretary) of SSSCT on behalf of all trustees. I think it is inappropriate to talk about any particular trustee, in this regard. What should be discussed is the action of the body of SSSCT as a whole.

So should SSSCT as a body, to use part of your sentence, "COME TO THE FRONT AND LEAD A DELEGATION TO MHALLI AND DEMAND EXPLANATION FOR SETTING UP A CULT ORGANIZATION"?

What power does SSSCT have over Muddenahalli group for Muddenahalli group to entertain such a demand for explanation? Muddenahalli group may use such a visit by SSSCT to humiliate them as revenge for the criticism SSSCT has made against them. If Muddenahalli group was interested in having talks with SSSCT to resolve this major divisive problem and get united with official Sathya Sai orgns and institutions, they surely could have approached SSSCT. They want to have their own show with the spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu being their cash cow. Why will they want to give up that cash cow and unite with official Sai orgn. which will ask them to first stop Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud?

As I understand it, in such power and authority matters, SSSCT is a charitable trust organization like Shirdi Sai Sansthan (official Shirdi Sai Baba temple orgn.) - that's it. For us devotees of Sathya Sai, we may give a lot of value to words of SSSCT. But that is limited to us devotees of Sathya Sai. SSSCT's power and authority is over the private institutions it manages, including Prasanthi Nilayam. As you surely know, it does not extend to governance and power and authority in the whole state of Andhra Pradesh let alone the state of Karnataka which is where Muddenahalli group is based.

Power and authority in such matters is vested in the Hon'ble Chief Minister of the concerned state who has to act within the laws of the state and country. The Hon'ble High Court of that state is the topmost body in the state to which an Indian citizen or Indian trust like Muddenahalli trust can go to, to seek relief from any illegal action taken by the state government against them, with the Hon'ble Supreme Court of India acting as a body for appeal against verdict of the High Court. That's it, I think. Nobody else has the authority. SSSCT trustees have no authority over Muddenahalli group, including over Muddenahalli group's Loka Seva Trust, as things stand now (the court case against Loka Seva Trust deed amendments making it a Muddenahalli group controlled trust has yet to be decided).

May I ask you --Name-snipped-- sir, why did you not LEAD A DELEGATION TO MHALLI group events in Singapore where Madhusudan Naidu and Narasimhamurthy were present, AND DEMAND EXPLANATION FOR SETTING UP A CULT ORGANIZATION? I think you may not have done so because you felt you did not have power & authority to force a proper explanation from Muddenahalli group in Singapore. Am I not correct there?

Similarly, I think SSSCT trustees going to Muddenahalli group to demand an explanation from them is not a good idea as SSSCT has no authority over Muddenahalli group and its leaders like Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan Naidu.

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On FB post, https://www.facebook.com/vv.sarachandran/posts/10155946489728456, dated 12th Jan. 2019, I wrote as a comment: "Great to see a pic of Penang Sathya Sai center. Jai Sai Ram!".

In response to a comment, I wrote, "Ah! Then we share something in common as I too am poor in singing. But then the Sathya Sai congregational singing allows me to sing in chorus and enjoy the benefit and happiness of singing the Lord's name and His/Her praise. So I am very comfy with that :-)."
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FB post of mine, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2388760291340534, shared this post of Dr. David Frawley, https://www.facebook.com/drdavidfrawley/posts/10157115947334928, with my share-comment as follows:

Resharing the post as I want the original post to be shared with Dr. David Frawley's comments.

I also feel it appropriate to add some Puttaparthi related comments. Bukkapatnam (city of Bukka) which is very close to Puttaparthi and where Sathya Sai did part of his schooling, is named in honour of Vijayanagara king Bukka, I believe. Now there seem to be three different kings named Bukka in the dynasty, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangama_dynasty. So I don't know which King Bukka is associated with name of the town - Bukkapatnam.

Here's the wiki page for Bukkapatnam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukkapatnam
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Dr. Frawley's above post shared this article (along with his intro comments): NYT lists Hampi as the second must-see global destination for 2019, https://theprint.in/culture/nyt-lists-hampi-as-the-second-must-see-global-destination-for-2019/175613/
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A comment on the post shared that Hampi is important in history of Sathya Sai, giving this Radio Sai article link: TRIP TO HAMPI, http://media.radiosai.org/journals/vol_13/01JUN15/His-story-comics-chapter-22.htm. I thanked him for his comment.

In response to a comment disputing my statement that Bukkaputnam was named after a Vijaynagara king, I wrote:
From Sathyam Shivam Sundaram Vol 1, http://bababooks.org/Downloads/sathyamsivamsundaram-I.html :
"With the Chitravathi River descending the gorges and flowing as a moat on one side, set like a green gem in a ring of hills, with temple bells pealing on all the eminences around, enriched by the reservoir built by King Chikkaraya, adjacent to the town that bears the name of Bukka (the far-famed Emperor of the City of Vijayanagara), Puttaparthi is the abode of the Goddess of Fortune and the Goddess of Eloquence." Such is the eulogy showered on this place by an anonymous poet of the past. Puttaparthi was the cradle of poets and scholars as well as heroes and philanthropists.
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The above indicates that Bukkapatnam is named after one of the Bukka Rayas (Bukka kings) of Vijayanagara empire.
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On FB post of mine, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2388223518060878, where I shared a pic of Hindu Russian family with their Guru:

For a Hindu Indian like me, it is quite extraordinary to see such pics showing embrace of Hinduism in Russia. ... Of course, those who embrace it in the right spirit with right interpretation of Hindu holy scripture will surely benefit. I have no doubt about that whatsoever. Hinduism is a very powerful religion grounded on eternal truths and based on traditions that have endured through many millennia. These traditions and faith in Hindu scripture have been fostered and preserved through divine figures taking birth as human beings from time to time for that very task (Karana Janmas).

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FB post of mine, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2387420591474504 :

One of my favourite Marathi devotional songs which I have heard countless times in my youth (mainly on radio - so audio versions of it). Sung by the great Sudhir Phadke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudhir_Phadke),  Dehachi Tijori, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tww3qiu0bqU, around 3 mins.

A comment on the video gives the Marathi lyrics and the English translation by a Kiran Urs. I do not fully agree with the translation though my Marathi is barely OK and not great. But overall it does give the sense of the song. So I have copy-pasted that below:

देहाची तिजोरी, भक्तीचाच ठेवा
This body is a safe for devotion only
उघड दार देवा आता, उघड दार देवा -- 2
Open the door, Lord, please open the door

पिते दूध डोळे मिटूनी जात मांजराची
The cat's nature is to drink the milk with her eyes closed
मनी चोरट्याच्या का रे भीती चांदण्याची
Why is there fear of moonlight in the heart of the thief?
सरावल्या हातांनाही कंप का सुटावा
Why do expert hands tremble when they do something wrong
उघड दार देवा आता, उघड दार देवा
Open the door, Lord, please open the door

उजेडात होते पुण्य अंधारात पाप
Good deeds are done in daylight; evil, always in the darkness
ज्याचे त्याचे हाती आहे कर्तव्याचे माप
Everyone has the measure of responsibility in his own hands.
दुष्ट दुर्जनांची कैसी घडे लोकसेवा
How can evil people do community service
उघड दार देवा आता, उघड दार देवा
Open the door, Lord, please open the door
स्वार्थ जणु भिंतीवरचा आरसा बिलोरी
Greed is like the tricky mirror on the wall
आपुलीच प्रतिमा होते आपुलीच वैरी
Its our own reflection, and is our own enemy
घडोघडी अपराध्यांचा तोल सावरावा
From time to time the crime must be balanced
उघड दार देवा आता, उघड दार देवा
Open the door, Lord, please open the door
देहाची तिजोरी, भक्तीचाच ठेवा -- 2
This body is a safe for devotion only
उघड दार देवा आता, उघड दार देवा -- 2
Open the door, Lord, please open the door

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The video has 3 robbers entering the hours with an objective of breaking a safe and stealing from it. But as they hear the song, with the words seeming to reference them, they drop the plan and join the devotees (a family, I guess) in worship.

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FB post of mine, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2387394864810410, shared the following video (Om Jai Jagadish Hare song sung by Canadian children) with my comment "Wonderful!": https://www.facebook.com/Vedicfacts/videos/300384147274901/

Anuradha Paudwal singing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ChSzECkdew, 5 min. 18 secs.
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The wiki page on the song giving the English translation of it too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om_Jai_Jagdish_Hare
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Sung by Mahendra Kapoor, Brij Bushan and Shyama Chittar in the Hindi movie: Purab Aur Paschim [1970] (audio with still pic), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mxNlhmjX4o, 5 min. 40 secs.
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A variation of above song rendition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw9DhcIM1ac, 6 mins
I think one or both of the above song renditions were very popular in my youth and I have heard it many times, including at community puja functions in Bombay and Dombivli.
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FB post, https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10213917363232868, dated 5th Jan. 2019, there was mention of lack of unity and my name was tagged. I (Ravi) wrote:
Calls for Unity sound great, Vr Ganti sir. But what is the reality? There is UNITY in the group that opposes Muddenahalli group, on Madhusudan Rao Naidu being a spiritual fraud. But on other aspects, there are different views, including on how to effectively oppose Muddenahalli group's misuse of Sathya Sai name.

I think this is similar to how in democratic countries, there are multiple groups of people, each with their own understanding of social problems of the day and how to solve them! This diversity and accommodation of such diversity is the hallmark of democratic countries.

Now there is no single leader under whom all the anti Madhusudan Rao Naidu people will work. That is the reality. Expecting that all will coalesce under a single leader and follow his/her instructions is something that happens in dictatorial regimes and not in democratic societies.

What we should do is accept the reality that there are diverse views among the group that oppose Madhusudan Rao Naidu. Initiatives against Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud, like the current petition, may come from any activist in this group. It is up to others then to examine whether they are willing to support the initiative or not. Some may support it as it aligns with their views. But some, who are against Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud, may choose not to support it as they have some differences or some issues with it.

So there will be multiple lines of action initiated by different activists opposing Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud rather one line of action initiated by one single activist-leader. That is how I view this matter.
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