tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560918235269923427.post3888387876023274473..comments2024-03-26T13:15:47.546+05:30Comments on Ravi S. Iyer: Spiritual: Request Bro. VijaySai B.S. to kindly refrain from grandly declaring his beliefs about Madhusudhan Naidu as FACTsRavi S. Iyerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13984595152318980921noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560918235269923427.post-34178627600020882562016-03-03T18:02:26.287+05:302016-03-03T18:02:26.287+05:30Brother Swagat Sahu, thanks for deleting your prev...Brother Swagat Sahu, thanks for deleting your previous comment.<br /><br />In response to your above comment, I tend to agree with most of your comment. However, I am not sure about words like evil trap and only commercial motive with regard to Muddenahalli group, as I don't think clear evidence has been provided for such allegations. I mean, they are only allegations as of now. I mean, if any donor, even a non-Indian donor, makes a serious police complaint with evidence that his or her donation money was siphoned off for purposes other than the service projects for which they had donated the money, then I am quite sure that the police will make an investigation into the complaint, and if that investigation proves the donor's complaint to be true, they may file suitable CRIMINAL charges against the associated persons. That's the law in India. I have been informed of a case of one donor who turned against Muddenahalli group and was really mad at them and may even have wanted to file a police complaint but then Muddenahalli group used the money he donated for a school as they had told him when they got/asked for the donation! So that seems to be completely legal. The issue of him donating the money because he believed in the so called subtle body of Muddenahalli and later turned against that belief, is not an illegal matter, as far as my knowledge of Indian law goes.<br /><br />Perhaps Muddenahalli group is more of a case of FALSE BELIEF rather than DELIBERATE FRAUD. Perhaps the leaders of Muddenahalli group as well as Madhusudhan Rao Naidu really believe that Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba is communicating through Madhusudhan Rao Naidu. I am convinced that is a FALSE BELIEF and I have given my reasons for saying so in this blog post (comment exchange with VijaySai). But Indian law, as I understand it, would permit them to hold this FALSE BELIEF. [But what Indian law may not permit is them PUBLICLY using/misusing the name of Sri Sathya Sai Baba for darshan, interviews & discourses of Madhusudhan Rao Naidu. However, Indian law will come into the picture only if Muddenahalli group is DIRECTLY CHALLENGED on its usage of Bhagavan's name in an Indian court of law.]<br /><br />It is clear that Madhusudhan Rao Naidu has emerged and established himself as a cult-leader type of figure in Muddenahalli group using the concept of so called INVISIBLE-TO-OTHERS subtle body of Bhagavan. My view is that he has trapped many Sai devotees into this FALSE BELIEF. The danger of students studying in Muddenahalli group educational institutions being BRAINWASHED into this FALSE BELIEF is a very real danger. However, one can seriously raise this aspect/issue of students being brainwashed ONLY if there are reports from students or parents or even teachers from Muddenahalli group who complain about it. Without such reports, these concerns are only possibilities which may or may not be happening.<br /><br />One may say that from the public videos of Muddenahalli group one can see that students have also got trapped into this FALSE BELIEF. But in these matters, until somebody complains and sticks to the complaint when pressure is put on them to withdraw the complaint, one really cannot do anything except to put out warnings about Muddenahalli group (which is what I do via my social media posts about Muddenahalli group).Ravi S. Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13984595152318980921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560918235269923427.post-83857081637769826252016-03-03T15:41:27.832+05:302016-03-03T15:41:27.832+05:30Sorry Sir I oughtn't have mentioned that word ...Sorry Sir I oughtn't have mentioned that word just before the last line(Humbly withdrawing it) but if rectified they are more dangerous than who are cheating people in the name of "GOD/astrology" if I'm correct...Because what I'm stating that as a regular viewer of programmes going at Prashantinilayam online in which we observe all the events with Bhajans,Swami(sathya Sai)'s discourses along with glimpses of darshan from earlier periods...But MDH group want to bring up children in which direction means the conditioning of mind that they want to put the "Leelas(false claim) of Madhusoodan" implies what terrible their intentions you may imagine hence they're showing more respect to so-called subtle body(Madhusoodan) than Swami(Sathya Sai) or his image which we worship with deep "Shradha"...I'm urging you don't misunderstand my words Sir after all it's the question of innocent "people+children+students,etc" who are on this evil trap of worshiping Madhusoodan & observing his day to day activities which has been continuing with a purposefully nothing else than commercial motive...I hope adequate steps would be taken soon if we all SAI believers be united against it...Sai LoveSwagat Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984929811000899996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560918235269923427.post-52557585835571215342016-03-03T14:00:24.770+05:302016-03-03T14:00:24.770+05:30I find the above comment to be too strong in its l...I find the above comment to be too strong in its language for my blog, and so plan to delete it, shortly. Hope you don't mind brother Swagat Sahu.Ravi S. Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13984595152318980921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560918235269923427.post-41723412775763371212016-03-03T11:16:04.803+05:302016-03-03T11:16:04.803+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.Swagat Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984929811000899996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560918235269923427.post-52950212135189061732016-03-02T23:37:41.309+05:302016-03-02T23:37:41.309+05:30Well, official Sai orgn. will completely reject an...Well, official Sai orgn. will completely reject any possibility whatsoever of Madhusudhan Rao Naidu darshan!!! Those who want to become followers of Madhusudhan Rao Naidu will have to go to Muddenahalli or other places he visits.Ravi S. Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13984595152318980921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560918235269923427.post-52724403108586107952016-03-02T13:10:06.501+05:302016-03-02T13:10:06.501+05:30I think you are absolutely true Sir in saying that...I think you are absolutely true Sir in saying that through Bhagwan's discourses we can get many answers...Hence my humble request to bro. Vijay Sai to go thoroughly through Bhagwan's discourses which he had given at "Institution Alike in late 70s' or 80s' or other times(25/01/1979)"....And one particular discourse along with advice to some particular fellows at Muddenhalli(Who are now in MDH) on 14/02/2009 so that he can get the answers properly of justifying their activities in collecting fundzz...Another important thing coming to my mind is if people feel so much blissful in watching,observing Madhusudan's walking,leelas,discourses,etc then why not be it allowed at other SAI centres all across India(Brindavan+Dharmakshetra+Shivam+Sundaram,etc)if we proceed by respected bro. "Vijay Sai's" arguments so that others' can have the blissful experience of subtle body(Madhusudan you MDH group may please)...Hence I think supporters of MDH group should come openly to have the concept of subtle body cleared before everyone...SairamSwagat Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984929811000899996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560918235269923427.post-24874241283501088532016-03-02T01:12:41.537+05:302016-03-02T01:12:41.537+05:30I think those people who have faced some negative ...I think those people who have faced some negative aspects of Muddenahalli group (e.g. any improper fund collection or improper poaching of staff from official Sai orgn by Muddenahalli group) should provide details of such matters with names, and then ask Muddenahalli group social media persons about it. Without details and without persons involved directly coming forward, it is easy for Muddenhalli group to dismiss such allegations as false! Evidence (proof) with proper level of details is absolutely necessary to make such charges stick. That's my view. Thanks.Ravi S. Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13984595152318980921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560918235269923427.post-56323404694889897082016-03-02T01:06:45.429+05:302016-03-02T01:06:45.429+05:30Sairam Aarthi! Went through the article. Interesti...Sairam Aarthi! Went through the article. Interesting experiences.<br /><br />Now I cannot comment much on the casual words of Swami with respect to me personally, as I had very limited oral interaction with Swami. The only time he spoke to me was when he gave me a pair of cloth pieces sometime in 2003, if I recall correctly, when he told me, 'very happy'. For me it was facial gestures of Swami when we had eye contact with each other during Darshan that was the primary means of individual interaction between Swami and me. To be very frank, as I was focused more on my spiritual journey (as I had retired from commercial work) I actually preferred to keep a little distance from Swami as I did not want to get too caught up in Bhagavan's mission then (besides the Seva activity I did in the Sai university as mainly a teacher of software lab. courses).<br /><br />Bhagavan's discourses were very important to me and I, like many others, would get answers and directions to some queries I had in these discourses. Listening to these discourses live, sitting in Sai Kulwant Hall, I now realize, had a great impact on my spiritual journey. Of course, I would also be observing how Bhagavan would interact with devotees and that too helped in my journey as I understood how much emphasis Bhagavan gave to Love. It is one thing to read about Bhagavan's teaching of Love All Serve All and quite another to have seen Bhagavan give so much of himself so lovingly to his devotees. Even when he would discipline somebody, one realized later on that the basis of that disciplining was the love that he had towards that person - a fatherly love that corrects the faults.<br /><br />However, over the years I have interacted with many persons who have had fair amount of physical proximity to Bhagavan. Bhagavan must forgive me if I am saying something improper but I must say that while I have never heard (as far as I can recall) any of these persons being critical of Bhagavan's spiritual teachings, a few persons have expressed disappointment about the material problems they faced and which they expected Bhagavan to solve. My view is that ashram life can be quite challenging on the money front to family persons, especially in today's India where raising children and paying for their higher education (say, engineering or medicine) can be a huge burden. If the family persons are willing to lead simple lives and be content with ashram associated educational facilities, then it tends to work out, unless the children become rather ambitious.<br /><br />I hope people don't get disturbed by what I have written above. But that's my view of the matter, especially today in post-Mahasamadhi Prasanthi Nilayam system. Essentially, for middle class well educated Indians type of people, I think it boils down to a choice of happy & quite peaceful spiritual kind-of life but with ceiling on material desires OR a regular city life with decent money but fair level of stress typically.Ravi S. Iyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13984595152318980921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560918235269923427.post-13633684614894202752016-03-01T12:04:59.726+05:302016-03-01T12:04:59.726+05:30Sairam Sir....Just one question from my side if yo...Sairam Sir....Just one question from my side if you can ask to bro. Vijay Sai...If we proceed with the arguments of bro. Vijay Sai then why not the subtle body staying in local or regional "Saimithis" implies we'll stop to visit Prashanti/Kulwant Hall or completely break or destroy PN as per Vijay Sai's arguments??The kind of "X~Y~Z" methods adopted by Loka Seva group especially as I've witnessed in my state respecting in an ordinary way to Swami(Sathya Sai)on a public stage inviting influential reputated people from politics/Socialism then making an impression of Swami(Sathya Sai) collecting fundzzz???Why members of Vidya Vahini or other SSCT(PN) projects are leaving gradually to join MDH(High salary) also in my state???sir it's a wrong notion that they're using Madhu directly in every case to capture people's mind...1st they are making full use of Swami(Sathya Sai)'s image(Legacy) to influence people then start their drama to take advantage of people's emotions or sentiments...I suspect what they mention as themselves before going to any powerful politician or Social activist & later make a paid news...Immediate steps really needed to be taken as told by "Anil Kumar Sir"....SairamSwagat Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984929811000899996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560918235269923427.post-60888105271907500732016-03-01T10:53:07.360+05:302016-03-01T10:53:07.360+05:30Sir, I request you to please go through this blog ...Sir, I request you to please go through this blog post by Aravind.<br /><br />http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Every-word-of-Sathya-Sai-is-as-true-as-the-Veda-an-experience-of-a-Sai-Student<br /><br />I am sorry but in my earlier comment, I made one mistake. The 1st quote was by Prof. Nanjundiah and only the 2nd was by Prof. Bhagia.Aarthi Krishnanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14623368078756467850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8560918235269923427.post-36405261688515986372016-03-01T10:44:08.516+05:302016-03-01T10:44:08.516+05:30Sairam sir, in the 'Afternoon Satsang' (on...Sairam sir, in the 'Afternoon Satsang' (on 'Rama Katha Rasa Vahini') of 25th February hosted by bros. Prem and Aravind of Radio Sai, Aravind mentioned what Prof. Bhagia of the Sai University had told him once. <br /><br />Prof. Bhagia had said, “When Swami tells you something seriously, pay attention to it. When He says something casually, enshrine it in your heart for it contains great words of wisdom and truth.”<br /><br />Prf. Bhagia further said “The sin man accrues by disobedience to God's direct words is very huge. And so, He tells directly only to those who will accept what He says completely without a doubt and do whatever is necessary. For the others, He tells the same in a casual manner, as a joke or a passing statement. Then, if the person catches the hint and has faith in the words he is benefited. If he does not, then Swami will not allow any sin to accrue to him because He takes the blame upon Himself for not communicating properly!"<br /><br />So Aravind said that with regard to the matter of 'Swami speaking through X or Y', Swami has repeatedly and directly told in His various public discourses over the past so many decades that He always communicates directly and never through another person. <br /><br />Aravind said that when such is the clear instruction from Swami, why should we disobey Him and incur such a huge sin? <br /><br />He also mentioned that one brother had been thinking of going to MDH to just check out for himself about the subtle body phenomenon. That night, Swami came in his dream and ripped him apart and blasted him very badly and finally said "Do not go to MDH!" <br /><br />I really feel that when Swami's words are so clear, the people who are outrightly disobeying them will incur great sin. Aarthi Krishnanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14623368078756467850noreply@blogger.com