Saturday, January 19, 2019

My view on why SSSCT trustees should not go to Muddenahalli and demand explanation from them for setting up their cult organization

Last updated on 20th Jan. 2019

This post is based on a recent comment response I made on Facebook elsewhere in the context of a suggestion made by somebody that a particular SSSCT trustee should lead a delegation to Muddenahalli and demand explanation from them for setting up their cult organization.

From my perspective, Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust (SSSCT) is a body of nine trustees. I think it is inappropriate to talk about any particular trustee, in this regard. What should be discussed is the action of the body of SSSCT as a whole.

So should SSSCT as a body, "COME TO THE FRONT AND LEAD A DELEGATION TO MHALLI (group based in Muddenahalli, Karnataka, India) AND DEMAND EXPLANATION FOR SETTING UP A CULT ORGANIZATION"?

What power does SSSCT have over Muddenahalli group for Muddenahalli group to entertain such a demand for explanation? Muddenahalli group may use such a visit by SSSCT to humiliate them as revenge for the criticism SSSCT has made against them. If Muddenahalli group was interested in having talks with SSSCT to resolve this major divisive problem and get united with official Sathya Sai orgns and institutions, they surely could have approached SSSCT. They want to have their own show with the spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu being their cash cow. Why will they want to give up that cash cow and unite with official Sai orgn. which will ask them to first stop Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud?

As I understand it, in such power and authority matters, SSSCT is a charitable trust organization like Shirdi Sai Sansthan (official Shirdi Sai Baba temple orgn.) - that's it. For us devotees of Sathya Sai, we may give a lot of value to words of SSSCT. But that is limited to us devotees of Sathya Sai. SSSCT's power and authority is over the private institutions it manages, including Prasanthi Nilayam. It does not extend to governance and power and authority in the whole state of Andhra Pradesh let alone the state of Karnataka which is where Muddenahalli group is based.

Power and authority in such matters is vested in the Hon'ble Chief Minister of the concerned state who has to act within the laws of the state and country. The Hon'ble High Court of that state is the topmost body in the state to which an Indian citizen or Indian trust like Muddenahalli trust can go to, to seek relief from any illegal action taken by the state government against them, with the Hon'ble Supreme Court of India acting as a body for appeal against verdict of the High Court. That's it, I think. Nobody else has the authority. SSSCT trustees have no authority over Muddenahalli group, including over Muddenahalli group's Loka Seva Trust, as things stand now (the court case against Loka Seva Trust deed amendments making it a Muddenahalli group controlled trust has yet to be decided).

Why have Sathya Sai Prasanthi Nilayam activists of various countries of the world not LED A DELEGATION TO MHALLI group events in their country where Madhusudan Naidu and Narasimhamurthy were present, AND DEMANDED EXPLANATION FOR SETTING UP A CULT ORGANIZATION? I think they have not done so because they would have felt that they did not have power & authority to force a proper explanation from Muddenahalli group in their country.

[Note that I know of at least two cases where an individual Prasanthi Nilayam supporter/activist (different individual in the two cases) attended a Muddenahalli group event in their country, once in USA and once in UK, and demanded an explanation from Muddenahalli group for their activities or protested about Muddenahalli group claims and/or activities. But it was an individual action and not a group delegation action. While one appreciates the courage of these individuals for these actions, I think it should also be said that these individual actions did not seem to have any significant negative impact on Muddenahalli group activities in the respective country.]

Similar to what I have mentioned in above two paragraphs, I think SSSCT trustees, either individually or as leader(s) of a delegation OR as a group of trustees, going to Muddenahalli group to demand an explanation from them is not a good idea as SSSCT has no authority over Muddenahalli group and its leaders like Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan Naidu.
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Given below are my comments on my Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2395100770706486, associated with this blog post:

In response to a comment, I wrote (slightly edited): --Name-snipped-- - I don't think I know the God fraud statute you are referring to. Note that cases of so-called spiritual gurus/holy men extracting money from gullible Indians by making false promise of some sort like cure of disease or some material problem of theirs getting solved, is different. In such scenarios, the person who paid the money and did not get the promised outcome can go to the police and file a cheating complaint. Indian Penal Code Section 420 is, I think, the key section that deals with cheating cases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_420_of_the_Indian_Penal_Code. Every once in a while, we read reports in Indian newspapers about some so-called spiritual guru or holy man, being arrested by the police ****based on complaint made by somebody who paid them money and was cheated****. I don't think we have had any such cheating police complaint made against Madhusudan Naidu.

Freedom of religion is a very important concept in many democratic countries of the world. I think that is why Madhusudan Naidu is able to freely travel and openly make his false claims not only all over India but in many other countries of the world.

However, my personal view is that the identity theft court case (legal suit) possibility is a good one. But, for reasons best known to them, none of the official Sai orgns/institutions have made a legal challenge on identity theft to Madhusudan Naidu ***anywhere in the world***. Note that even Sathya Sai orgn. USA could file an identity theft case against Madhusudan Naidu when he visits USA claiming to speak Sathya Sai's words.

It would be great if SSSCT or some country's Sai orgn do that. But they haven't so far. We have to live with that, I think.
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In response to a comment, I wrote (slightly edited): Noted your responses --name-snipped--. Thanks.

IPC 416 - Cheating by personation seems to be similar to Identity Theft. I think there is a new law for Identity Theft as I see references to it but am not sure. .. 423 may not apply to Madhusudan Naidu as it deals with transfer deed.

About devotees who say they were cheated by Madhu or Muddenahalli group: Well, they may feel that way. But what is required I think is a clear case of promise made for money donated which was not fulfilled. That's when the police may accept it as a criminal complaint. I don't think any such police complaints have been made in India against Madhusudan.

I am told that one person who had donated some money in 2011 or 2012 to Narasimhamurthy, and then felt cheated, explored the possibility of police complaint. But the money donated was used to construct a school as promised, I believe. So there was no grounds for police complaint.

So I am afraid, to the best of my knowledge, in India nobody who feels cheated ***and is prepared to make a police complaint***, has had proper grounds to make a cheating police complaint against Madhusudan or Muddenahalli group.
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In response to comment "423 was about Narasimhamurthy.", I wrote (slightly edited): --Name-snipped-- Noted. Yes, that seems to apply given what we have been told by SSSCT about fraudulent amendment of Loka Seva Trust deed.
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In response to comment, "Cheat by personation:
"A" cheats by pretending to be "B" who is deceased. "A" cheats by personation." I wrote (slightly edited):  Good find. I think that seems to be the right IPC section to legally challenge Madhusudan.

As I looked up Identity Theft law in India, the results I am getting are for cyber identity theft which
is covered under some new law for IT (Information Technology).

So maybe the right legal words to use in context of Madhusudan case is IPC Section 416, "Cheating by personation". Thanks for digging this up.

Perhaps the legal brains in Sai orgn. already know all this - there are criminal lawyers (Shri Nimish Pandya) and at least one former High Court judge in the top echelons of Sai orgn/SSSCT in India. They would surely know these sections well. But they have stayed silent on this matter and SSSCT/Sai orgn. has NOT filed a "Cheating by Personation" case against Madhusudan. Why? I have no idea.
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In response to comment, "Perhaps they had to wait until he actually claimed he was Sai Baba. Otherwise he was just "channeling" his spirit. Now it's a whole new ball game. Especially since he's using Sai Baba to get donations.", I wrote (slightly edited): Hmm. That's an interesting point. Yes, now Madhusudan claims that he is Sathya Sai Baba. It seems to me that legally it would make it a different ball game.
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Thursday, January 17, 2019

Good to see categorical condemnation of Madhusudan Naidu spiritual fraud by Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust and Indian and International Sathya Sai orgns.

Last updated on 18th Jan. 2019

http://media.radiosai.org/journals/vol_17/01JAN19/Note-from-sri-sathya-sai-central-trust.htm dated 17th Jan. 2019

The document is signed by the Member-Secretary of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust (SSSCT).

I have given below a screenshot of a section of the document which is related to spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu.

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Given below is the text in above pic:

Sacrilegious Behaviour of the Impostors

To right thinking devotees of Bhagawan Baba, the claims being made by one Sri Madhusudan Naidu,a former student of Sri Sathya Sai University (known as Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning) and Sri Narasimha Murthy, a former hostel warden of its Brindavan campus, that Bhagawan Baba was in communication with them in a subtle form and progressively that Bhagawan Baba had entered the body of Madhusudan Naidu, who is now claimed to be Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba himself, is unacceptable. It is mind-boggling that such claims are supported by all their cohorts, by pretending reverence and bowing down to Madhusudan Naidu and even referring to him as "Swami". To add colour and credence to these false claims, Madhusudan Naidu has now started donning ochre colour clothes and on the 23rd of November 2018, in a public function held at Muddenahalli, a declaration was made that Baba had entered the body of Madhusudan Naidu and he started taking his seat in Baba's chair, which is reverentially placed in all congregations of devotees all over the world as well as in Prasanthi Nilayam. This has offended the sentiments of a large number of devotees.
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Update: Added one more screenshot of the document condemning spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu.


Given below is the text in above pic:

Devotees are cautioned, in their own interest, not to engage themselves with the caucus at Muddenahalli or be misled by any false claims being made by anyone that Bhagawan Baba is now living in the body of Madhusudan Naidu and that Madhusudan Naidu is the very embodiment of Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.


Lovingly in the Service of Sai

for and on behalf of The Trustees
[handwritten signature]
GSRCV Prasad Rao
Member - Secretary
Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust

Nimish  Pandya
All India President
Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisation of India

Dr. Narendranath Reddy
Chairman, Prasanthi Council
Sathya Sai International Organisation

Prasanthi Nilayam
January 17,2019
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I provided the info. in the post above in our petition via this update: https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu/u/23898581.

Four Kerala nuns who publicly protested against rape-accused bishop get transfer orders which may isolate alleged-rape-survivor nun; My view: Financial dependence on spiritual institution may be the crux of the problem

From my recent Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2393093974240499

I am not surprised by this development of the nuns who protested publicly against the rape accused priest, being separated and transferred elsewhere. Now what will these nuns do? If they are financially dependent on the Church organization they are associated with, they will have no option but to obey the transfer order.

I think in our early 21st century times, spiritual aspirants from all religions should, if possible, ensure that they do not become financially dependent on the spiritual institution that they get associated with in a full time capacity, and always have a workable exit plan to fall back on, if and when they get exploited by the institution. I say, if possible, because I think the brutal reality is that for many persons who have associated with spiritual institutions in India right from a young age in a full time capacity, they are financially dependent on the institution and have little or no prospects for getting a well paid job outside the institution. These people are stuck with these institutions for life, whether they like it or not!

Kerala: Four nuns who protested against rape-accused bishop transferred by church, https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala-four-nuns-who-protested-against-rape-accused-bishop-transferred-by-church/, 16th Jan. 2019.
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An update:
4 Kerala nuns who stood up for rape survivor 'punished' , https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/4-kerala-nuns-who-stood-up-for-rape-survivor-punished/articleshow/67564981.cms, 17th Jan. 2019

The nuns are staying with the alleged-rape-survivor nun and the attempt seems to be to separate them from the alleged-rape-survivor nun. A small extract from above article:

The nuns have said that they would not obey the orders. "This like a disciplinary action against us," Sr Anupama said. "We are preparing a reply to the superior general... This is a ploy to torpedo the case and isolate the survivor nun," she said.
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On above FB post, in response to comment, "This episode is in a very bad taste & should be condemned. Anna, I do agree with your write up. Everybody should be financially independent, otherwise they can be taken advantage of.", I wrote (slightly edited):

Well, sister --name-snipped--, I think the brutal reality is that of those who associate full time with spiritual institutions, only a few are fortunate to be financially independent - by financially independent I mean that either they have sufficient money/assets or they have the ability/skills to easily get alternative jobs outside the institution. The large majority of people who associate with spiritual institutions full time are financially dependent on it directly or indirectly (through earning money by offering commercial services e.g. food or lodging, to visitors to/devotees of the spiritual institution) and do not have easy alternative jobs/sources of income. And some of this latter group have no choice but to silently tolerate abuse of power inflicted on them.
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[I thank indiatimes.com and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above small extract from their website on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Tuesday, January 15, 2019

Madhusudan Naidu spiritual fraud petition update: Latest signatures and comments files

On this petition, https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu, at 11:09 PM IST on 14th Jan. 2019, we have got 362 signatures. We had 333 signatures on 7th Jan. 2019 evening. So that makes it around 29 signatures in around 7 days - an average of around 4 new signatures per day.

The new signatures counted manually from the signatures file below, are from Sri Lanka (2), India (13), Guatemala (1), South Africa (1), US (4), Portugal (1), Italy (4), Malta (1), Argentina (1), Singapore (1), Croatia (1) and Australia (1). This totals to 31. I think the difference (31 instead of 29) is due to update delays or some other minor issue like that.

What is clear is that there is slight but continued interest in the petition across various countries in the world.

To save time, I have not whitened 1 test user signature and 1 test user comment (both made by me).

Here are the latest signatures and comments files

Signatures: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mNBwpSQ6YpRgCdWsKsD0MMYbgYfhQw_8
Comments: https://drive.google.com/open?id=12enVROakj8S4pCYMVJ3I9O83BRhlZoac

One update related to signing process is that it seems that unchecking the checkbox field labelled "Display my name and comment on this petition" does NOT hide the name of the signer on the petition - it seems to get added to the petition signatures list! So I have modified the original petition to delete the paragraph advising readers that they could hide their names in the petition signature list by unchecking that checkbox field. I have also removed the option to write an email to me to remove their name from the petition signatures list as now that will be too cumbersome to do (as many earlier signature lists have already been shared publicly and ...). So far no one has emailed me to remove their name from the petition signatures list.

Thursday, January 10, 2019

I agree with Shashi Tharoor's religious belief related stand on Sabiramala deity, Ayyappa (Supportive of "Ready to Wait"); Some additional views of mine on it

Please note that I have a PUBLICLY POLITICALLY NEUTRAL role in this post which references an Indian political leader.

I entirely agree with the following points related to belief in Sabiramala deity Ayyappa, expressed by Dr. Shashi Tharoor in this article: Forgive me liberal friends, but I can’t completely overlook faith of Sabarimala devotees, https://theprint.in/opinion/forgive-me-liberal-friends-but-i-cant-completely-overlook-faith-of-sabarimala-devotees/174990/ . Please note that I am not commenting at all about Indian politics and Indian political parties mentioned in the article.

1. Confusion of liberals about the restrictions on women’s entry into Sabarimala.

2. Sabarimala worshippers "believe in its legends the way Catholics believe in the Virgin Birth or Muslims in the divine revelation to their Prophet, as beliefs integral to their faith. Just as a Supreme Court verdict ordering the Catholic Church to ordain women as priests and bishops in the name of gender equality would occasion outrage rather than compliance, so also this verdict has been rejected by those who believe it assaults the very foundations of their faith in the deity installed at Sabarimala."

3. There has been no mass movement of women having faith in Sabirimala deity, seeking to have access to Sabiramala at any age. Tharoor writes that many (women, I presume) told him that "the nature of the deity at Sabarimala is such that if you believe in Him, you would not wish to disturb Him as a naishtika brahmachari. They are therefore “Ready to Wait”." [Ravi: Naishtika brahmachari means eternal celibate. See http://sanskritdictionary.com/nai%E1%B9%A3%E1%B9%ADhika/19067/4 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmacharya.]

4. Some of the women of the age 10 to 50 who want to go to Sabiramala temple are not going there out of belief in Sabiramala deity (which would include not wishing to disturb Him as a naishtika brahmachari).
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Ravi: My considered view on this matter is that the Hon'ble Supreme Court of India should give adequate weightage to belief in the Sabiramala Ayyappa deity being eternal celibate, and the tradition followed strictly by what seems to me to be an overwhelming majority of women believers in that Ayyappa deity, to NOT take darshan of the deity between ages 10 to 50, as the belief is that such an act may disturb the deity.

Yad bhaavam tad bhavathi - As is the feeling and the emotion, such is how it/one becomes. The feeling, the emotion, the belief is a vital aspect of Bhakti/devotional traditions in Hinduism. For the sake of a few women who may not be sincere believers in this vital traditional belief associated with the Sabiramala temple's deity, the Hon'ble Supreme Court's decision, which has been appealed, seems to have caused immense suffering and disturbance to what seems to be the overwhelming majority of women believers of the deity who are "Ready to Wait" and almost all of men believers of the deity. They are suffering as they believe that the deity's sacredness has been violated by women of age 10 to 50 taking darshan of it.

My considered view as an Indian resident, an Indian citizen and a Hindu, is that the Hon'ble Courts of law of India are not qualified to judge whether the belief that women of ages 10 to 50 coming before the deity may disturb the eternal celibate nature of the deity, held by large number of Sabiramala deity devotees, both men and women, is good or bad, right or wrong. That should be left to the devotees and the priests and the Sabiramala temple management. It is their responsibility, not that of the Indian courts of law, to consider what traditions should be changed in our early 21st century times and what traditions should be left unchanged.

Women who would like to worship other Hindu deities are free to visit almost all other Hindu temples in India. If women would like to have a women only deity whom men should not take darshan of (perhaps some such Hindu deities and its Hindu worshippers already exist), I think the Indian constitution's freedom of religion sections should be interpreted in such a way that women are allowed to have such a deity and such worship traditions. As a Hindu man, I would certainly support the right of Hindu women to have such a deity and such worship traditions.

[I thank theprint.in and Dr. Shashi Tharoor, and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above small extracts from their website on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Tuesday, January 8, 2019

Wonderful Sanskrit song expressing love for India and wonderful singing by Western lady

SANSKRIT LOVE SONG TO INDIA, composed by Shri Chandrabhanu Tripathi, sung by a Western lady (teacher of Sanskrit in UK, I believe), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpv8eMlXuzM, 4 min. 23 secs.

The youtube video description gives the English translation of the verses of the song.

The last lines of the song as translated to English in the video description, are very appropriate, in my considered opinion:

"We bow to the land, to India,
The one supreme dharma, we always esteem,
For which we offer our wealth, our life,
Beloved India, always to be respected"

Ravi: Bharat is the land of Dharma, the land of Tyaga (sacrifice) for the sake of Dharma, the land where God is adored through various ways, and the land where God loves to incarnate in human form!

प्रियं भारतं तत् सदा वन्दनीयम्
Beloved Bharat (India), always to be revered!

I truly, truly believe the above line based on living most of my over five decades life in Bharat/India. Bharat/India is a holy land of reverence to God and a land where Dharma is always looked up to, even if people may not fully practise it in this age of Kali.

Monday, January 7, 2019

Petition Update: New signers rate has dropped; Last 24 hours saw only around 14 new signers

Aum Sri Sai Ram

On this petition (https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu), we have got 333 signatures around 7:10 PM IST on 7th Jan. 2019. We had 319 signatures around the same time yesterday and so we have seen only 14 new signers in the around 24 hours between them. Note that after this update, the next update may be made only after some days or weeks.

How long should we keep the petition open for signing?

My view is that we can keep it open for many more weeks unless there is another petition/declaration on the same lines from some alumni leader and/or top administrator of SSSIHL who is an alumnus (e.g. Registrar, Controller of Examinations of SSSIHL or Director of an SSSIHL campus). Note that Madhusudan Rao Naidu is an alumnus of SSSIHL. So it will be very fitting for senior SSSIHL alumni leaders and/or senior alumni who hold senior administrative positions in SSSIHL to publicly condemn their junior alumnus Madhusudan Rao Naidu who has misused his status as "Sai student" or "Swami student" to misguide thousands of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide using Bhagavan's HOLY NAME.

Note that the alumni response to this petition has been lukewarm. Perhaps only 10 to 20 signers are alumni which makes it around only 3 to 6 percent of the total signers (over 330). Only around five publicly declared that they are alumni.

If alumni leaders are hesitant to publish a similar petition/declaration then I think a top International Sathya Sai organization leader should publish a similar petition/declaration.

Such a petition/declaration would surely gather more signatures as it would be from a recognized leader. Therefore I strongly recommend and urge that a similar petition/declaration condemning spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu be made by one of the above leaders. If such a petition is made then to prevent confusion among Sathya Sai devotees, it would be best to close down this petition and so I will do so. I am sure that most, if not all, of the signers of this petition would be glad to sign a similar petition made by a senior alumni leader or senior SSSIHL administrator or International Sai orgn. leader.

Any suggestions from signers and readers are welcome.

Latest signatures and comments files
Signatures: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1B3luMa_9-9achI-7kwdRxyz2JLw9OqZL
Comments: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wfT0i8WeKgDWCQF2dFe1ASBB_Spghpq1

Note that the above files have test entries and some HTML tags whitened.

I have also shared these files on the Internet here: https://archive.org/details/ListofSignaturesinPetitionAgainstMadhusudanNaidu


Country - Count of Signers

Argentina - 1
Australia - 2
Bahrain - 1
Canada - 3
Chile - 1
Croatia - 2
Dominican Republic - 1
Fiji - 1
Finland - 1
France - 1
Gabon - 1
Germany - 1
Guatemala - 1
Hong Kong - 1
India - 131  [130 signers + 1 test signer]
Indonesia - 3
Israel - 1
Italy - 75
Lithuania - 1
Malaysia - 14
Mauritius - 1
Mexico - 1
Netherlands - 1
New Zealand - 1
Oman - 1
Peru - 1
Qatar - 1
Russia - 6
Saudi Arabia - 1
Singapore - 6
Slovenia - 1
South Africa - 8
Sri Lanka - 2
Switzerland - 2
Taiwan - 1
Trinidad & Tobago - 1
UK - 11
Ukraine - 1
US - 41
Venezuela - 1
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Total signers - 332 [331 signers + 1 test signer]

Jai Sai Ram!

Sunday, January 6, 2019

Petition Update: List of signatures, comments and country-wise statistics

Last updated on 7th Jan. 2019

[This petition update was made around 8 PM IST, 6th Jan. 2019 on change.org.]

Aum Sri Sai Ram

On this petition (https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu), we have got 319 signatures around 7:05 PM IST on 6th Jan. 2019

I did not get any request to NOT publicly share their name so far (till around 7.40 PM today, 6th Jan.).

The first petition PDF file linked below has the name and place information of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide who showed the courage to publicly speak up against Asathya (untruth) & Adharma (unethical behaviour) of spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu by signing this petition. The second petition PDF file linked below has 'Reason for signing' or other comments made by some signers.

I thank all signers for this public stand they have taken via this petition. I think it will help in some way to save some persons from getting trapped by Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud and even help some persons who have already been trapped by Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud to escape from it. Even if a few such persons get saved from Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud, it will be a worthwhile achievement of this petition. Further, I think this petition will become a public record of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide who came together and publicly condemned Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud.

1) In list of signatures PDF file, one entry was a test entry. That has been whitened out. The file is 88 KB in size and 17 pages long, and here is its public view link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wS0rBR0CRmsGISOON9WL49xWZ517FjUs

2) In list of comments PDF file, one entry was a test entry. That has been whitened out. The file is 75 KB is size and 8 pages long, and here is its public view link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1pvN7k_lxnqF6mU65kURBTffoOWLrzRNF

3) Downloaded .csv signatures file at around 7.10 PM on 6th Jan. has 317 signatures' data. So perhaps the latest 2 signatures' data is not included in the file. Given below is the country-wise statistics gathered from the .csv signatures file. Note that one signer from India is a test entry and should be deducted from the count (so it is 316 signers + 1 test signer).

Country - Count of Signers
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Argentina - 1
Australia - 2
Bahrain - 1
Canada - 3
Chile - 1
Croatia - 2
Dominican Republic - 1
Fiji - 1
Finland - 1
France - 1
Gabon - 1
Guatemala - 1
Hong Kong - 1
India - 129  [128 signers + 1 test signer]
Indonesia - 3
Israel - 1
Italy - 69
Malaysia - 13
Mauritius - 1
Mexico - 1
Netherlands - 1
New Zealand - 1
Oman - 1
Peru - 1
Qatar - 1
Russia - 6
Saudi Arabia - 1
Singapore - 5
Slovenia - 1
South Africa - 8
Sri Lanka - 2
Switzerland - 2
Taiwan - 1
Trinidad & Tobago - 1
UK - 11
Ukraine - 1
US - 38
Venezuela - 1
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Total signers - 317 [316 signers + 1 test signer]


Jai Sai Ram!
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I felt it appropriate to add a pic of the 1st page of Signatures. To get the whole page in a pic I have compressed the pic. Please zoom/magnify it to read the information more easily.

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About our petition: So far nobody has mailed me requesting that their name not be shown publicly; How I plan to share it

Our petition link: https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu

After 7.00 PM Indian Standard Time (IST) today (6th Jan. 2019), I will be sharing the petition, signature and comment info.

After some thought, I feel the best way for me to faithfully and ethically share this data would be as follows:

1. I will download the "PDF: petition letter and signatures" from change.org. Note that I have added the main contents of our petition to the body of the petition letter now (earlier I had not known that I had to do this). Given below are pics which show how the two pages of the petition letter and part of the next page which is the start of signatures section, look now (downloaded around 9.30 AM, today 6th Jan.) with names masked (except mine). When I share the PDF after 7 PM today, the names will NOT be masked, except for any requests to NOT share their name that I receive on my public email id of ravi@raviiyer.org (I repeat, no such requests received so far).

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I had made one test entry which I will white out in the downloaded PDF using https://www.pdfescape.com Online (free) version.

Then I will copy this PDF file into a public area of my Google Drive. The link of this PDF file in Google Drive will then be shared on my Facebook and Blog posts.

2. I will do something similar for "PDF: petition letter and comments" from change.org. After whiting out a test entry, I will share the PDF on my Google Drive public area and provide the link of that shared PDF file on my Facebook and blog posts.

3. After some thought I have decided NOT to include the signature data (names, place etc.) directly on either my Facebook posts or my Blog posts. I think that is a safer approach from a respect for signers data perspective. Essentially only the change.org generated petition letter + signatures and petition letter + comments will be shared publicly, and this I think would fit in with the change.org model where these two letters, I think, are typically provided to the target person/audience of the petition. In our case, the target/audience is the Sathya Sai fraternity and so we will be providing these letters to them by sharing them publicly.

4. As the petition author, I also have the option to download a .csv format file having signature data (and another having comment data). This .csv format file can be opened in Microsoft Excel. I will NOT be publicly sharing these files which do not have any major additional data to what is shared in above PDF files. However, I will analyze it to get country-wise statistics which I will share.

5. I plan to provide a preface comment to the petition public PDF file links as follows:

Aum Sri Sai Ram

The first petition PDF file linked below has the name and place information of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide who showed the courage to publicly speak up against Asathya (untruth) & Adharma (unethical behaviour) of spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu by signing this petition. The second petition PDF file linked below has 'Reason for signing' or other comments made by some signers. I thank all signers for this public stand they have taken via this petition. I think it will help in some way to save some persons from getting trapped by Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud and even save some persons who have already been trapped by Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud to escape from it. Even if a few such persons get saved from Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud, it will be a worthwhile achievement of this petition. Futher, I think this petition will become a public record of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide who came together and publicly condemned Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud.

Jai Sai Ram!
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Any suggestions or feedback from readers are very welcome. Thanks.

Saturday, January 5, 2019

Petition Update: Will be sharing petition signature info. with Sathya Sai fraternity via social media from tomorrow

[This update was made a few minutes ago and is for our petition: https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu. The update text and attached pic are given below.]

As of 6.50 PM Indian Standard Time on 5th Jan. 2019, 283 persons have signed this petition.

Petition signers should please note that while signing the petition, they see a checkbox field labelled "Display my name and comment on this petition". By default this checkbox is checked/On. If they don't want their name (and city/town & country) and comment to be displayed/shared in the petition, then they ***MUST*** uncheck this checkbox.

Petition signers should further note that as the petition has been addressed to Sathya Sai devotee fraternity worldwide including alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions, the petition signature data (name, city/town & country, and comments) provided to me, the petition creator, by change.org will be shared with the Sathya Sai devotee fraternity via public posts on social media.

This is how change.org gives my own signature data in the PDF file it generates and allows me to download:
Name Location Date
Ravi S. Iyer Puttaparthi, India 2018-12-30

Also see attached pic which shows the beginning page (partially) of Signatures section of the petition signatures PDF file with most names except mine, masked out.

If any petition signer has NOT unchecked the "Display my name and comment on this petition" while signing the petition, but would NOT like his/her name (and city/town & country and comments) to be shared with the Sathya Sai fraternity on social media, they may please request that by writing to me at my public email id: ravi@raviiyer.org .

I plan to publicly share the signer-names, place (city & country), date of signing and comments after 7.00 PM Indian Standard Time (IST) on 6th Jan. 2019 (tomorrow). Of course, this will be an intermediate stage document as the signing activity may go on for some weeks more.

Thanks. Jai Sai Ram!
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Have decided to inform petition signers that I will be sharing the petition signature data with Sathya Sai fraternity via social media, requesting those who don't want their signature data to be shared to let me know

Given below are the reasons why I now feel it is ethical (fair) for me to share petition signature data (name, city & country, comments) provided to me by change.org, with the Sathya Sai fraternity. However, I will provide an option to signers to write to me if they don't want their signature date to be shared with Sathya Sai fraternity.

1) How does change.org help/guide documentation suggest using the petition and signatures?

From http://guide.change.org/decision-makers

Print your petition or download a digital copy onto a flash drive or CD and bring it with you. Being able to show the decision-maker the signatures and comments of your supporters is a powerful argument.

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Now our petition is directed to: Sathya Sai devotee fraternity worldwide including alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions

Therefore it is logical to share the petition signatures and comments with the Sathya Sai devotee fraternity worldwide including alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions. That can be done by publicly sharing it on social media.

2) While signing the petition, by default the checkbox field labelled "Display my name and comment on this petition" is checked (on). So the change.org signing form and process specifically informs the petition signatory that his/her name and comment will be displayed in the petition UNLESS, it seems to me, he/she unchecks the checkbox field. [I have made a test signature to check this out, where I have unchecked the checkbox field. So when I generate a report of signatures from change.org, say tomorrow, if my understanding is right, I should NOT see this test signature-name in it.]

Therefore I think it is ethical to share these petition signature-names along with place information and comments that change.org provides me with those the petition is directed to: Sathya Sai devotee fraternity worldwide including alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions.
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Modifications I will make in the petition, which I will also include in a petition update

Petition signers should please note that while signing the petition, they see a checkbox field labelled "Display my name and comment on this petition". By default this checkbox is checked/On. If they don't want their name (and city/town & country) and comment to be displayed/shared in the petition, then they ***MUST*** uncheck this checkbox.

Petition signers should further note that as the petition has been addressed to Sathya Sai devotee fraternity worldwide including alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions, the petition signature data (name, city/town & country, and comments) provided to me, the petition creator, by change.org, will be shared with the Sathya Sai devotee fraternity via public posts on social media.

This is how change.org gives my own signature data in the PDF file it generates and allows me to download:
Name Location Date
Ravi S. Iyer Puttaparthi, India 2018-12-30

Also see attached pic which show part of page 1 and page 2 of the PDF file with most names except mine, masked out.

If any petition signer has NOT unchecked the "Display my name and comment on this petition" while signing the petition, but would NOT like his/her name (and city/town & country and comments) to be shared with the Sathya Sai fraternity on social media, they may please request that by writing to me at my public email id: ravi@raviiyer.org .

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Ravi: In this post I have provided two separate pics of part of page 1 and page 2 of the change.org signatures PDF file. In the petition update I think I will have to combine the two pics into one, or provide an external link to them.

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Miscellaneous posts & comments on Facebook in January 2019

When author of post or comment is not mentioned, it should be assumed that it is me (Ravi S. Iyer).


On FB post, https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10214008347627421, dated 19th Jan. 2019

In response to main text of post, "TO BE HONEST & TRUTHFUL IS VERY EASY BUT TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND THAT ONE IS HONEST AND TRUTHFUL IS VERY DIFFICULT - DO YOU AGREE?" I (Ravi) wrote:
The world does not like truth-tellers so much. Fantasy spinners are more popular. Such is life :-).
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I (Ravi) wrote: I would like to add that for those of us who are still on the path of spiritual progress (me surely) and are limited to individual consciousness and do not experience universal consciousness (on a regular basis), what we perceive as the truth in material life may be slightly different from the real truth. We arrive at a view of what the truth is, in a particular matter, e.g. the very divisive split in Sathya Sai fraternity caused by Muddenahalli group, based on information gleaned from various sources about the critical private and public events that led to the split and the growth of Muddenahalli group and its false belief in Madhusudan Naidu. But, if we were not actually present at the private events which is the case for almost all of us who publicly write about these matters on social media, our perception of those private events would surely have some variations from what actually happened. I mean, we base our views on what was communicated to us by others and not on some video footage we have seen of those private events.

So our perception of the truth in some matters may be at some variance from the real truth. Sometimes we may be 100% sure that our perception of the truth is ***the truth and the only truth*** and get very worked up if others do not accept our perception (version) of the truth. But we would be wrong to get so worked up as our perception of the truth may have some errors. One should NOT attempt to dominate others mentally by saying, "I know the truth because I have invested a lot of time to uncover the truth. You just listen to me and believe me." That would not be appropriate. Instead one should present his/her perception of the truth and leave it to others whether to accept it as the truth or not, and one should always be open to publicly expressed dissenting views by people who have the reputation of being truthful and responsible (trolls who hide behind fake IDs certainly do not fall into this category). Such dissenting views may help correct some of the errors in our perception of truth which we believe to be 100% truth.

But great spiritual masters who are at high levels of universal consciousness, I believe, have direct access to the truths of even such private events where they were not physically present. It is my personal experience of our beloved Lord Sathya Sai (physical form) that he would simply know about private matters related to me that were not known to any other normal person.

So for Sathya Sai, it is my deeply held belief that truth and his perception of the truth were the same, for matters like the above mentioned one, and about deep spiritual truths of existence.

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On FB post, https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10214000371308018, dated 18th Jan. 2019 I wrote the following as comments:

(Slightly edited): --Name-snipped-- sir, I am very happy with the categorical condemnation of Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud by all the top three official organizations founded by our beloved and revered Lord, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, for our spiritual uplift - Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust, Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisation of India and Sathya Sai International Organisation. I mean, this is from the combined highest level of the official Sathya Sai orgns. founded by Bhagavan Himself. What more can we ask for, in terms of declaration of a clear and unambigious stand against Madhusudan Naidu! I am very satisfied with this stand of theirs.

Even if Shri Nimish Pandya has not publicly spoken against Madhusudan Rao Naidu, his name and designation is mentioned in the document. So, unless he issues a public denial, it has to be viewed as the stand of the All India President of Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisation of India. As a former member of the Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisation of India from around 1993 to 2002, I am very happy that the All India President of Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisation of India is given as a signatory to the document (even though his signature is not there). I mean, in the final analysis, it is NOT the particular individual who holds the post currently that is important, but what is important is the official stand of the All India President of Sri Sathya Sai Seva Organisation of India. And this document puts that down as an official record even though it does not carry the signature of the individual who holds that post currently.
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(Slightly edited): --Name-snipped-- sir - Comparisons can be odious! Why don't we take a view that those of us who spoke up and acted against Asathya-Adharma of Muddenahalli group which was, and still is, distorting and diluting the legacy and memories of our beloved Lord Sathya Sai, were given an opportunity to be humble instruments of the Lord, and be happy with that? Bhagavan gave us an opportunity to serve the cause of Sathya & Dharma and we should be happy with having served that cause. Let us not get into grading of level of contribution and impact. We did it together. Let the credit go to the group that did it together rather than individuals in it. Jai Sai Ram!
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I don't think earlier denunciations focused on Madhusudan Naidu.This one does. Also, I think this is the first time I am seeing a document with name of Nimish Pandya, All India President of Sathya Sai orgn. which denounces Madhusudan Naidu and Muddenahalli group. ... Of course, such denunciations will NOT solve Muddenahalli group and Madhusudan Naidu problem. But it will help some devotees avoid getting trapped by them.

Freedom of religion is a very important concept in many democratic countries of the world. I think that is why Madhusudan Naidu is able to freely come and openly make his false claims in Singapore. The same is the case in India.

But the identity theft case possibility is a good one. However, for reasons best known to them, none of the official Sai orgns/institutions have made a legal challenge on identity theft to Madhusudan Naidu ***anywhere in the world***. It would be great if they do that. But they haven't so far. We have to live with that, I think.
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(Slightly edited) Well --Name-snipped-- sir - you and I and others putting up our posts and notes against Muddenahalli group and Madhusudan Naidu are individual actions and NOT official Sathya Sai orgn. denunciations. The Sathya Sai devotee community pays a lot more importance to official Sathya Sai orgn. denunciations and notes, and so ****official Sathya Sai orgns.*** denunciations are important, in my view, in more robustly countering Muddenahalli group's false claims.

Regarding your suggestion that some leaders should go and meet Madhu and Narasimhamurthy to sort it out, I think that could have been a possible solution ***prior*** to Madhu getting firmly set in his madness. Now what can be achieved by leaders going there - they will try to convert them to believers in Madhu!!!

Now Muddenahalli group leaders and donors should wake up and smell the coffee, and ask Madhu Baba to stop his drama, and focus instead on formless aspect of Sathya Sai Baba. That's when Muddenahalli group will come out of the Asathya-Adhrma trap that Madhu Baba and Narasimhamurthy have taken them into.
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(Slightly edited): --Name-snipped-- sir, I felt it is important to respond to your comment in a manner which is understood by most readers of your large readership Facebook posts. So I will be mentioning some points which you surely know but it is for the benefit of other readers who may not know.

From my perspective, Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust (SSSCT) is a body of nine trustees. Note that the document you shared in this post was signed by the member-secretary (a trustee who is also playing the role of Secretary) of SSSCT on behalf of all trustees. I think it is inappropriate to talk about any particular trustee, in this regard. What should be discussed is the action of the body of SSSCT as a whole.

So should SSSCT as a body, to use part of your sentence, "COME TO THE FRONT AND LEAD A DELEGATION TO MHALLI AND DEMAND EXPLANATION FOR SETTING UP A CULT ORGANIZATION"?

What power does SSSCT have over Muddenahalli group for Muddenahalli group to entertain such a demand for explanation? Muddenahalli group may use such a visit by SSSCT to humiliate them as revenge for the criticism SSSCT has made against them. If Muddenahalli group was interested in having talks with SSSCT to resolve this major divisive problem and get united with official Sathya Sai orgns and institutions, they surely could have approached SSSCT. They want to have their own show with the spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu being their cash cow. Why will they want to give up that cash cow and unite with official Sai orgn. which will ask them to first stop Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud?

As I understand it, in such power and authority matters, SSSCT is a charitable trust organization like Shirdi Sai Sansthan (official Shirdi Sai Baba temple orgn.) - that's it. For us devotees of Sathya Sai, we may give a lot of value to words of SSSCT. But that is limited to us devotees of Sathya Sai. SSSCT's power and authority is over the private institutions it manages, including Prasanthi Nilayam. As you surely know, it does not extend to governance and power and authority in the whole state of Andhra Pradesh let alone the state of Karnataka which is where Muddenahalli group is based.

Power and authority in such matters is vested in the Hon'ble Chief Minister of the concerned state who has to act within the laws of the state and country. The Hon'ble High Court of that state is the topmost body in the state to which an Indian citizen or Indian trust like Muddenahalli trust can go to, to seek relief from any illegal action taken by the state government against them, with the Hon'ble Supreme Court of India acting as a body for appeal against verdict of the High Court. That's it, I think. Nobody else has the authority. SSSCT trustees have no authority over Muddenahalli group, including over Muddenahalli group's Loka Seva Trust, as things stand now (the court case against Loka Seva Trust deed amendments making it a Muddenahalli group controlled trust has yet to be decided).

May I ask you --Name-snipped-- sir, why did you not LEAD A DELEGATION TO MHALLI group events in Singapore where Madhusudan Naidu and Narasimhamurthy were present, AND DEMAND EXPLANATION FOR SETTING UP A CULT ORGANIZATION? I think you may not have done so because you felt you did not have power & authority to force a proper explanation from Muddenahalli group in Singapore. Am I not correct there?

Similarly, I think SSSCT trustees going to Muddenahalli group to demand an explanation from them is not a good idea as SSSCT has no authority over Muddenahalli group and its leaders like Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan Naidu.

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On FB post, https://www.facebook.com/vv.sarachandran/posts/10155946489728456, dated 12th Jan. 2019, I wrote as a comment: "Great to see a pic of Penang Sathya Sai center. Jai Sai Ram!".

In response to a comment, I wrote, "Ah! Then we share something in common as I too am poor in singing. But then the Sathya Sai congregational singing allows me to sing in chorus and enjoy the benefit and happiness of singing the Lord's name and His/Her praise. So I am very comfy with that :-)."
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FB post of mine, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2388760291340534, shared this post of Dr. David Frawley, https://www.facebook.com/drdavidfrawley/posts/10157115947334928, with my share-comment as follows:

Resharing the post as I want the original post to be shared with Dr. David Frawley's comments.

I also feel it appropriate to add some Puttaparthi related comments. Bukkapatnam (city of Bukka) which is very close to Puttaparthi and where Sathya Sai did part of his schooling, is named in honour of Vijayanagara king Bukka, I believe. Now there seem to be three different kings named Bukka in the dynasty, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangama_dynasty. So I don't know which King Bukka is associated with name of the town - Bukkapatnam.

Here's the wiki page for Bukkapatnam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukkapatnam
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Dr. Frawley's above post shared this article (along with his intro comments): NYT lists Hampi as the second must-see global destination for 2019, https://theprint.in/culture/nyt-lists-hampi-as-the-second-must-see-global-destination-for-2019/175613/
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A comment on the post shared that Hampi is important in history of Sathya Sai, giving this Radio Sai article link: TRIP TO HAMPI, http://media.radiosai.org/journals/vol_13/01JUN15/His-story-comics-chapter-22.htm. I thanked him for his comment.

In response to a comment disputing my statement that Bukkaputnam was named after a Vijaynagara king, I wrote:
From Sathyam Shivam Sundaram Vol 1, http://bababooks.org/Downloads/sathyamsivamsundaram-I.html :
"With the Chitravathi River descending the gorges and flowing as a moat on one side, set like a green gem in a ring of hills, with temple bells pealing on all the eminences around, enriched by the reservoir built by King Chikkaraya, adjacent to the town that bears the name of Bukka (the far-famed Emperor of the City of Vijayanagara), Puttaparthi is the abode of the Goddess of Fortune and the Goddess of Eloquence." Such is the eulogy showered on this place by an anonymous poet of the past. Puttaparthi was the cradle of poets and scholars as well as heroes and philanthropists.
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The above indicates that Bukkapatnam is named after one of the Bukka Rayas (Bukka kings) of Vijayanagara empire.
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On FB post of mine, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2388223518060878, where I shared a pic of Hindu Russian family with their Guru:

For a Hindu Indian like me, it is quite extraordinary to see such pics showing embrace of Hinduism in Russia. ... Of course, those who embrace it in the right spirit with right interpretation of Hindu holy scripture will surely benefit. I have no doubt about that whatsoever. Hinduism is a very powerful religion grounded on eternal truths and based on traditions that have endured through many millennia. These traditions and faith in Hindu scripture have been fostered and preserved through divine figures taking birth as human beings from time to time for that very task (Karana Janmas).

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FB post of mine, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2387420591474504 :

One of my favourite Marathi devotional songs which I have heard countless times in my youth (mainly on radio - so audio versions of it). Sung by the great Sudhir Phadke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudhir_Phadke), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tww3qiu0bqU, around 3 mins.

A comment on the video gives the Marathi lyrics and the English translation by a Kiran Urs. I do not fully agree with the translation though my Marathi is barely OK and not great. But overall it does give the sense of the song. So I have copy-pasted that below:

देहाची तिजोरी, भक्तीचाच ठेवा
This body is a safe for devotion only
उघड दार देवा आता, उघड दार देवा -- 2
Open the door, Lord, please open the door

पिते दूध डोळे मिटूनी जात मांजराची
The cat's nature is to drink the milk with her eyes closed
मनी चोरट्याच्या का रे भीती चांदण्याची
Why is there fear of moonlight in the heart of the thief?
सरावल्या हातांनाही कंप का सुटावा
Why do expert hands tremble when they do something wrong
उघड दार देवा आता, उघड दार देवा
Open the door, Lord, please open the door

उजेडात होते पुण्य अंधारात पाप
Good deeds are done in daylight; evil, always in the darkness
ज्याचे त्याचे हाती आहे कर्तव्याचे माप
Everyone has the measure of responsibility in his own hands.
दुष्ट दुर्जनांची कैसी घडे लोकसेवा
How can evil people do community service
उघड दार देवा आता, उघड दार देवा
Open the door, Lord, please open the door
स्वार्थ जणु भिंतीवरचा आरसा बिलोरी
Greed is like the tricky mirror on the wall
आपुलीच प्रतिमा होते आपुलीच वैरी
Its our own reflection, and is our own enemy
घडोघडी अपराध्यांचा तोल सावरावा
From time to time the crime must be balanced
उघड दार देवा आता, उघड दार देवा
Open the door, Lord, please open the door
देहाची तिजोरी, भक्तीचाच ठेवा -- 2
This body is a safe for devotion only
उघड दार देवा आता, उघड दार देवा -- 2
Open the door, Lord, please open the door

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The video has 3 robbers entering the hours with an objective of breaking a safe and stealing from it. But as they hear the song, with the words seeming to reference them, they drop the plan and join the devotees (a family, I guess) in worship.

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FB post of mine, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2387394864810410, shared the following video (Om Jai Jagadish Hare song sung by Canadian children) with my comment "Wonderful!": https://www.facebook.com/Vedicfacts/videos/300384147274901/

Anuradha Paudwal singing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ChSzECkdew, 5 min. 18 secs.
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The wiki page on the song giving the English translation of it too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om_Jai_Jagdish_Hare
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Sung by Mahendra Kapoor, Brij Bushan and Shyama Chittar in the Hindi movie: Purab Aur Paschim [1970] (audio with still pic), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mxNlhmjX4o, 5 min. 40 secs.
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A variation of above song rendition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw9DhcIM1ac, 6 mins
I think one or both of the above song renditions were very popular in my youth and I have heard it many times, including at community puja functions in Bombay and Dombivli.
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FB post, https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10213917363232868, dated 5th Jan. 2019, there was mention of lack of unity and my name was tagged. I (Ravi) wrote:
Calls for Unity sound great, Vr Ganti sir. But what is the reality? There is UNITY in the group that opposes Muddenahalli group, on Madhusudan Rao Naidu being a spiritual fraud. But on other aspects, there are different views, including on how to effectively oppose Muddenahalli group's misuse of Sathya Sai name.

I think this is similar to how in democratic countries, there are multiple groups of people, each with their own understanding of social problems of the day and how to solve them! This diversity and accommodation of such diversity is the hallmark of democratic countries.

Now there is no single leader under whom all the anti Madhusudan Rao Naidu people will work. That is the reality. Expecting that all will coalesce under a single leader and follow his/her instructions is something that happens in dictatorial regimes and not in democratic societies.

What we should do is accept the reality that there are diverse views among the group that oppose Madhusudan Rao Naidu. Initiatives against Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud, like the current petition, may come from any activist in this group. It is up to others then to examine whether they are willing to support the initiative or not. Some may support it as it aligns with their views. But some, who are against Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud, may choose not to support it as they have some differences or some issues with it.

So there will be multiple lines of action initiated by different activists opposing Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud rather one line of action initiated by one single activist-leader. That is how I view this matter.
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What is the next step after the petition signing activity draws to a close?

Last updated on 5th Jan. 2019

This is a frequent question that I get for our petition: https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu. My response is no next step. But I think I need to elaborate on it.

The initial sentences of the petition text clearly say that it is NOT a petition to government authorities. It is a declaration, a public stand, by devotees and few alumni & staff about Madhusudan Rao Naidu being a spiritual fraud.

Why is it not a petition to government authorities?

Well, from what we have seen since 2015, it is clear that not only in India, but also in USA and in Singapore and in UK and perhaps also in Nigeria, the government authorities do NOT want to get involved in this Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud matter! The government authorities (police, courts of law, top ministers etc.) come into play when there is illegality involved - civil or criminal. Madhusudan Rao Naidu claiming to be a so-called communicator of Sathya Sai is NOT something the government authorities themselves will want to examine whether it is legal or not. That is upto some citizen of associated country to first file a complaint with the police or file a court case, say for identity theft of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba name. So far, to the best of my knowledge, nobody either in India, or in Singapore, or in USA or in UK has made any such police complaint of something like identity theft. I know that an attempt was made in India a few years ago to lodge a case of financial fraud against Muddenahalli group by a donor who felt cheated, but it seems the legal view was that there was no financial fraud/crime, and so no criminal complaint/case was made.

The police complaint in Nigeria resulted in an investigation which eventually seems to have said that no evidence of crime committed in Nigeria by Muddenahalli group has been found. We may not like to talk about this. But I think that is the truth.

Freedom of religion laws in India, I think, allow any Indian citizen or foreign person residing in India or visiting India, to believe in Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claim. Muddenahalli group NGOs (Non-Governmental Organizations) may be going against Swami teachings in their fund collection efforts but their fund collection efforts are NOT illegal in India, or in Singapore, or in USA or in UK. Soliciting funds for a registered charitable trust or NGO is NOT illegal in India, and as far as I know, NOT illegal is most countries of the world!

Where there may be illegality is in, as I mentioned earlier, the identity theft by Madhusudan Rao Naidu of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's name. But for that illegality to be investigated and established, some appropriate person/trust (e.g. Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust) has to file a complaint of identity theft. That does not seem to have happened yet.

Given the above, I think there is no point in raising a petition to any government authority in India. The same may be the case for USA and some other countries.

The government authorities of various countries seem to have the view - Hey, this is not our problem. This is your community problem. You folks resolve it yourselves. Don't come to us to solve your internal community problem!

So I/we have sought signatures for a public declaration aimed at Sathya Sai devotee fraternity worldwide including alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions.

How will Public Declaration help to counter Madhusudan Rao Naidu spiritual fraud?

But how will public declaration help?

Well, there are very few Sai organization heads who have publicly condemned Madhusudan Rao Naidu. Yes, a few trustees of Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust have done so and some top office bearers of Sai International organization have done so. But some Sai organization heads have NOT done so.

While some people are active on social media opposing Madhusudan Rao Naidu, we do not have a public list of people who are publicly willing to support the statement that Madhusudan Rao Naidu is a spiritual fraud who is misusing the HOLY NAME of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

So for most devotees of Sathya Sai it is a mixed signals situation. Some top leaders and some people on social media oppose Madhusudan Naidu but that's it. The majority says nothing and further there are many who are hidden sympathisers/supporters of Madhusudan Naidu/Muddenahalli group.

This declaration/petition is aimed at showing the Sathya Sai devotee community at large a list of people who are willing to publicly support a condemnation of Madhusudan Rao Naidu as a spiritual fraud. Once the other devotees see such a list of hopefully many people, they will realize that it is not just a few Sai organization leaders having this view but that there are a lot of people with this view. That may help some devotees to escape from the Madhusudan Rao Naidu trap and help others to avoid falling into the Madhusudan Rao Naidu trap.

Now I also aimed the declaration at alumni as it is the alumni group that has been conspicuously hesitant to publicly condemn Madhusudan Rao Naidu who is one of their own, an alumnus of SSSIHL! But not many alumni have signed with public comment stating that they are alumni (around 5 so far - that's it). As I said in updates to the petition, most alumni will sign only if some alumni leader or senior alumni-staff of Sai educational institution publishes such a petition, and so I hope some alumni leader or senior alumni-staff will do that in the near-future.

On the other hand, a lot of devotees worldwide have signed so far! The current count is 237 (at around 11.15 PM IST, 4th Jan. 2019). That's very good!

These 237 names include one test-name and one or two duplicates and perhaps some signatories who have signed but have chosen not to put their name on the petition. Let's say that on downloading the list of signatories I get around 200 names with city/town and country. It would be great to publish these 200 names with place and country as a PDF file and link that on Facebook and blog and perhaps on a website like The True Sai (thetruesai.weebly.com). The last petition created by Sai Mafalda two years ago against Muddenhalli group got over 1500 signatures but its list of signatories was not shared publicly.

Need help and advice on ethical issues related to publishing list of signatories' names

But to publish this list of names with place and country, I am running into some ethical issues where I need help and advice from readers. As this is my first published change.org petition, I was NOT AWARE that I would be able to download the list of signatories with their town/city/state and country. Instead I had a sentence: "We request those who sign this declaration (petition) to mention their official (real) name and the place they are based in (city/town/village and country)." as part of an instruction to readers of the petition/declaration. However, most people have not followed those instructions, with some only signing the petition without any comment or 'reason for signing'.

What I should have done is put in a statement in the petition like "Please note that the list of signatories' names with town/city/state and country will be shared publicly."

But now what should I do? Should I put up a simple update post in the petition (which gets sent by email to those who have signed unless they have unsubscribed), say tomorrow, that states as follows:
"Please note that the list of signatories' names with town/city/state and country will be shared publicly. If you have signed but do not want your name and place and country to be shared publicly, please say so in a mail to me at this address: ravi@raviiyer.org ."

Would that be an ethical/Dharmic thing to do? Will people be OK with it? Please let me know your views. Thanks. Jai Sai Ram!
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My associated Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2383718541844709, has some comments.

Friday, January 4, 2019

Crossed 200 signatures in OUR petition; How do we provide recognition to the courageous signers?

Crossed 200 signatures in OUR petition; How do we provide recognition to those who showed the courage to publicly speak up against Asathya (untruth) & Adharma (unethical behaviour) of spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu by signing this petition?

As of 5:26 PM IST on 4th Jan 2019, this petition, https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu, has got 205 signatures. I thank all those who signed the petition and those who have shared the petition with others.

So far, only 4 or 5 persons have signed and publicly commented that they are alumni of SSSIHL. There may be a few more, say around 5 signatures, which are of alumni but where they have not commented that they are alumni. One violin teacher (in the past, I guess) has also signed and publicly shared that he was a teacher of Prasanthi Nilayam school and college (university campus).

Essentially, alumni body have not shown interest in this petition except for a few. As I wrote in the earlier update, an alumni leader or a Sai educational institution senior alumni-staff (e.g. Director of an SSSIHL campus, Registrar, Controller of Examinations of SSSIHL etc.) should publish a similar petition asking alumni to sign - then there may be significant number of alumni who will sign it.

I have been able to download the list of signatures which typically includes info. about city & country of person signing the petition. I think we should provide recognition to, and honour the courage of, such persons for having publicly spoken up against Asathya & Adharma of spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu. But how do we do that?

I am willing to mention on my spiritual blog, the names of those who showed the courage to publicly speak up against Asathya & Adharma of spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu by signing this petition, and also any significant public 'Reason for signing' or other comments they made on it. But I am not sure whether all signatories would want that. Further note that change.org does NOT publicly show all the signatory names. It shows names of only those who have shared publicly their "Reason for Signing" and their (other) comments.

So I could share only those names which publicly appear on the "Join the Conversation" pages (which shows all "Reason for Signing" comments and other comments), and their main comments, on my blog. But will some people be uncomfortable even with that? Maybe I can ask those who don't want their names to be published on my blog to mail me at my public email id of ravi@raviiyer.org . And maybe I can ask those who have signed the petition but not made public comments on it, and who want their names to be published on my blog to mail me at my public email id of ravi@raviiyer.org .

I would be glad to know the views of readers on the above. Any other suggestions to recognize the courage of the persons who signed the petition, are also welcome. If some feel that there is no need to do all this and just stop at the petition - I would like to know that too.

I think it is ethical for me to share some country statistics from the downloaded list of signature-names. This is the break up of the signatories country wise from the download of signatures done around 5.27 PM Indian Standard Time (IST) on 4th Jan 2019, at which time the count of signature-names (signatories) was 205. Note that the signatures download had only 182 signature-names. I think that either the download does not give the latest data OR while signing some may have chosen NOT to display their names on the petition.

Country - Number of signatory-names in downloaded list
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Argentina - 1
Australia - 2
Bahrain - 1
Canada - 2
Croatia - 1
Dominican Republic - 1
France - 1
Gabon - 1 
Guatemala - 1
India - 68
Indonesia - 2
Israel - 1
Italy - 30
Malaysia - 9
Mexico - 1
Peru - 1
Russia - 6
Saudi Arabia - 1
Singapore - 5
Slovenia - 1
South Africa - 7
Sri Lanka - 1
Switzerland - 1
Trinidad & Tobago - 1
UK - 9
Ukraine - 1
US - 26

Total: 182

Thursday, January 3, 2019

Crossed 100 signatures milestone: Update on OUR petition against spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu

As of 4:15 PM IST on 3rd Jan 2019, the petition/declaration, https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu, has got 121 signatures. I thank all those who signed the petition and those who have shared the petition with others.

It is the support of others who provided encouragement, editing and review support before the petition was published, and who have shared this petition after it was published, that has allowed the signatures count to cross 100. On my own, I doubt I would have got so many signatures. So I have to refer to this petition as "our" petition due to the editing, encouragement, promotion and sharing help rendered by many.

There are around 28 publicly shared "reasons for signing" and comments. Three signatories have informed us that they are SSSIHL alumni. I thank these three alumni of SSSIHL for courageously coming forward and publicly supporting through signature, this petition against spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu whose fraudulent actions involve misusing the HOLY NAME of our beloved and revered Gurudev, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

I hope some more alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions will come forward and publicly add their name to a list of alumni and staff who publicly oppose spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu. As I said in the petition, it need not be this petition/declaration. An alumni leader OR a senior alumni-staff from a Sai educational institution can create another petition/declaration condemning the misuse of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba name by spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu. Most alumni of Sai educational institutions would be more comfortable signing such a petition/declaration by these alumni leaders or senior alumni-staff of Sai school or university.

Wednesday, January 2, 2019

FAQ on Change.org petition: Declaration by Sathya Sai devotees and alumni & staff of Sai educational institutions, condemning spiritual fraud Madhusudan Rao Naidu

Last updated on 3th Jan. 2019

Petition URL: https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu

Frequently Asked Questions on above petition/declaration

Q1. What are the objectives of this Petition/Declaration?

A1. The main objective of this petition is the public condemnation of Madhusudan Rao Naidu. An additional but important objective of this petition is to know how many people are publicly willing to sign this petition, and also how many alumni are willing to publicly sign it.
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Q2. What is the next step after this Petition/Declaration?

A2. I am not thinking of any next step after the declaration. I feel that the petition/declaration will help us to know how many in the Sathya Sai devotee community including alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions are willing to publicly condemn Madhusudan Rao Naidu in this petition.

The earlier petition, https://www.change.org/p/president-of-indiamr-pranab-m-p-m-narenda-modi-mr-rajnath-singh-u-m-h-mr-arun-jaitley-f-m-to-stop-muddenahalli-scam-of-sri-sathya-sai-baba-impersonation-in-public-interest, by Sai Mafalda, if I recall correctly, covered multiple matters and was not focused on Madhusudan Rao Naidu alone, like in this petition. That petition was around 2 years ago and garnered over 1500 signatures.

Another aspect of this petition/declaration is a specific appeal to alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions to sign the petition.
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Q3. For some persons, everything they have read about Muddenahalli, has come from those condemning them. Do we need to give them even more sensational publicity by this public condemnation declaration/petition on change.org?

A3. Well, I think then the parts in the world where these persons live have not been impacted much by Madhusudan Rao Naidu. Very unfortunately, in India, Madhusudan Rao Naidu has achieved a lot of fame with a former Prime Minister of India who was PM for a very short time but still was PM (don't want to name him) touched Madhusudan Rao Naidu's feet on stage (in public) in Muddenahalli! That event happened a few months ago.

In such matters, what I have learned is that it is opposition to such spiritual frauds that make the general public become wary of such spiritual frauds. Silence leads to the general public, including sitting and former ministers, chief ministers and prime ministers of India, to think that the spiritual fraud is genuine!

Had Madhusudan Rao Naidu not achieved so much fame that top cricket stars of my country (India) - Sachin Tendulkar and Sunil Gavaskar - and sitting chief minister of my former state of Maharashtra - Shri Devendra Fadnavis - etc. are sharing or have shared in the past, the stage with him publicly and are being either reverential or respectful to Madhusudan Rao Naidu, I would not have got so agitated and written so much against him in public.

I think my public writings against Madhusudan Rao Naidu, along with many public writings by other persons, is having some impact in warning some innocent members of the public in India about him being a spiritual fraud. I don't know whether my open letters to PM, union HRD (education) minister, Maharashtra chief minister, along with many efforts by others in this regard, have had some impact. But I think it would have contributed to PM and HRD minister NOT sharing stage with Madhusudan Naidu, though they supported the free service to society being done by Muddenahalli group. The Maharashtra CM also did not attend the recent past (Nov. 2018) inauguration of Muddenahalli group's free pediatric care hospital in Navi Mumbai (close to Mumbai) and thus did not share stage with Madhusudan Rao Naidu. [He had shared the stage with him in Nov. 2017 perhaps because Sachin Tendulkar had also shared the stage for that event.] So I think such public opposition to Madhusudan Rao Naidu is having some impact.

In any case, silence, I am sure, will contribute to more people including top ministers and chief ministers and prime ministers of India, getting trapped by the imposter Madhsudan Rao Naidu.
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[Not a FAQ but something I would like to share:]
Q4. Why did you (Ravi S. Iyer) publish this petition, instead of it being published by other individuals or some group?

A4. An alumnus of Sai university had recently (on 25th Dec. 2018) put up a public post on Facebook that was critical of Madhusudan Rao Naidu. He said (in part), "Madhusudan Naidu is blot on Sai Baba's name ,deceiving so many people ...". Mr. V.R. Ganti and I (Ravi S. Iyer) were publicly appreciative of him on Facebook. The alumnus then followed up with another public post (on 26th Dec. 2018) where he said (in part), "There are only few like ,Mr Ganti and Mr Iyer who are speaking against the asatya and adharma of muddenhali ,most of us are mute spectators ,more of the elderly devotees and Sai alumni need to speak up ...".  The post concluded "May be we need a united front now .....". This was shared by Mr. V.R. Ganti here: https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10213854270615592. Mr. Ganti tagged me in a comment in that post which said, in part, (slightly edited) " I think --Name-snipped-- Garu has a point. Unless we are united nothing is possible."

In a comment on that post, I (Ravi S. Iyer) wrote (slightly edited) on 26th Dec. 2018:

I think Unity with Muddenahalli group is simply not possible till Madhusudan Rao Naidu drama is stopped.

Let me be frank. Most alumni are afraid of publicly speaking up against Muddenahalli group - that is the plain and simple truth. They may give some excuse or the other for not speaking up against Madhusudan Rao Naidu like Help Ever Hurt Never or Love All Serve All, but the underlying truth - Sathyam - is fear of Muddenahalli group because the whole setup is so tangled now. Their friends or even relatives may be associated with Muddenahalli group with some of them earning a livelihood from Muddenahalli group. So if they oppose them publicly, it will spoil their relationship with those of their friends and relatives who are associated with Muddenahalli group. So the safest and easy way for them to be happy is to stay publicly silent on Madhusudan Rao Naidu.

But I do think that there are some alumni who are courageous and willing to publicly be critical of Madhusudan Naidu. My view is that one person from these alumni should put up a change.org petition for Sai educational institution alumni to publicly express their opposition to imposter Madhusudan Rao Naidu. If Shri --Name-snipped-- is not in a position to do so, then somebody else should step up. And that person should not be afraid of being mocked by other alumni, if nobody else signs the petition. I, for sure, will publicly appreciate such a person and put up a blog and Facebook post appreciating that person's courage.

So the question is: Is there one Sai educational system alumnus who is willing to put up a change.org petition to be signed by other Sai educational system alumni, but aimed at Sathya Sai devotee community worldwide, expressing public opposition to imposter Madhusudan Rao Naidu?
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As there was no interest shown in putting up such a change.org petition by alumni, I felt that as I am an ex teacher of Sai university, I should do something similar to what I had suggested to alumni to do, but which suggestion was not taken up. Therefore I decided to publish this petition/declaration which I broadened to include Sathya Sai devotees but pointedly referred to alumni and staff of Sai educational institutions.

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From my Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2381808908702339, dated 2nd Jan 2019

Solved! Help needed to sort out possible glitch in my change.org petition for smartphone users

Update: Solution is provided below, after details of the problem.

Barbara Joy Plattner-Mullen wrote me on Facebook chat (and was OK with public sharing of it):
Ravi, I signed and shared the petition, but I was unable to post a comment, though I tried several times, each time making my comment shorter thinking there may have been a limit on character space, but no matter how succinct I made it, it would not post my comment.  Is it because I am using my smartphone and not a computer? I would very much like to post a comment...
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Ravi S. Iyer: I use a desktop in India though I also have a low end LYF smartphone. Barbara is based in the USA. I request USA based readers who have a smartphone to please try to comment on my petition: https://www.change.org/p/sathya-sai-devotee-fraternity-worldwide-we-condemn-spiritual-fraud-madhusudan-rao-naidu

Do let us know if you were able to successfully put up a comment using a smartphone.

Thanks. Jai Sai Ram!
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Solution:

On a smartphone (using Android, say), the petition may not show the Add "Reason for signing" (comment) link initially, but may only provide a way to sign the petition. Revisiting the petition ***after signing it*** and clicking the 'Join the conversation' link allows one to add a "Reason for signing" comment.

[Update: Barbara wrote: "It did initially show the "Reason For Signing" box, but after I typed in my comment and clicked on "submit", it did not go through. Afterwards, however, I was able to "ADD" a comment..."

When Ravi used his smartphone to sign the petition, he did not see the "Reason for Signing" box (perhaps as he had not logged on to change.org). end-Update.]

Step wise
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1. If you have not signed the petition, visit the petition link and sign it.
2. Revisit the petition link.
3. Browse to bottom part of petition to the end of the "Reasons for signing" (comments) that are initially displayed.
4. You may see a link there labelled: 'View all reasons for signing'. Click it.
5. You should see a link: 'Join the conversation' at the end of the last comment displayed. Click on it.
6. Right at the top of the new window, you should now see a comment box with your name where you can enter a comment and then click Add to submit the comment. After you submit the comment, it will get displayed to others who choose to see all comments by visiting the 'Join the conversation' link. Note that this will be a comment and not viewed as "Reason for signing". But the comment will be visible.