Thursday, June 29, 2017

Eenadu report: DIG Prabhakar Rao from Anantapur looks into Saiprabha Patnaik suicide case, and moves the case to Anantapur police

Last updated on 30-Jun-2017

Today's (29-Jun-2017) Eenadu (Telugu) newspaper Anantapur district supplement carried a big article on Saiprabha Patnaik suicide case in Prasanthi Nilayam. It has a picture of DIG (Deputy Inspector General) Prabhakar Rao (his name can be seen in this govt. webpage: inspecting the Vidya Vahini office where the tragic suicide happened.

From what I recall of key points in the article (from my perspective) as conveyed to me by somebody else, DIG Prabhakar Rao said that due to slow progress in solving the case, the case will now be looked into by CCS (Anantapur) police. [I don't know what CCS stands for. It could be Central Crime Station (in Anantapur) as Hyderabad city has such a CCS.] DIG Prabhakar Rao also made inquiries of Satyajit and a few others. He has assured that the case will get solved quickly (now that Anantapur CCS police will be looking into it).

There is some other detailed information in the article which I don't want to get into.

I think this development shows that police from Anantapur district HQ have been keeping a watch on this case. As the expected progress towards solving the case was not seen, they decided to step in themselves with a top police officer from Anantapur district HQ himself paying a visit to Puttaparthi, inspecting Vidya Vahini office where the tragedy occurred and speaking to Satyajit and others from Vidya Vahini team.

I am happy to see that Puttaparthi and Anantapur police are working together to solve this case. It also seems to me that Prasanthi Nilayam bosses (CT trustees in charge of PN) are extending their full co-operation to the police in this matter.

It was very tragic that the young lady, Saiprabha Patnaik, chose to give up her life in Prasanthi Nilayam. But these things do happen in Indian ashram systems (and perhaps happen in other countries' religious missions too). The important thing, after such a tragedy happens, is for the people of the ashram system and associated ashram town, to have the confidence that the police will make a thorough and fair investigation. From what I have observed of this matter through media reports mainly, I do have the confidence that Puttaparthi and Anantapur police are conducting a fair investigation and are not shielding anybody.

I have learned that DETERRENCE is a MAJOR ASPECT of police work. It is not possible for police anywhere in the world, including countries like the USA, to prevent crime completely. But what the police can do is to show that if a crime is committed, they will investigate the crime and bring those guilty of having committed any crimes to face justice in a court of law, which then deters other citizens/residents from committing crimes.

I think the message would have gone out LOUD AND CLEAR to all section heads/bosses in Prasanthi Nilayam ashram system that if there are any similar tragedies in future, they too will come under investigation from the police. That will send the DETERRENCE message which will help prevent/reduce such tragedies in future. It is the work of Puttaparthi and Anantapur police done so far in this case that sends this DETERRENCE message. As a Puttaparthi resident, I thank Puttaparthi and Anantapur police for this work they have done so far.

Update: I must say my thanks also to Telugu local media of Puttaparthi and Andhra Pradesh, especially Eenadu, for their regular reporting on this case, which has been my main source of information on this matter.

Given below are pics of the Eenadu article.

Michel Danino rebuts Tony Joseph article claiming that Aryan Invasion question has been settled by genetics

Here's a very interesting article in The Hindu today, The problematics of genetics and the Aryan issue, by Michel Danino,, 29th June 2017.

Ravi: Great to see Michel Danino rebut Tony Joseph's article. My belief is that the Hindu avatar Rama lived in Indian sub-continent around 20,000 years ago. Tony Joseph's article uses strong words like genetic research converges "on an unambiguous answer: yes, they did" to the question whether Aryans (Indo-European language speakers) streamed into India around 2,000 BC - 1,500 BC! But then Tony Joseph in not a scientist, I believe. So his assertion need not be viewed as coming from knowledge-authority.

While I did not understand the details of the genetics arguments put forward by Joseph and its rebuttal by Danino, it is clear that Danino has questioned the limited data set used to arrive at wide-ranging conclusions. Danino also indicates that Joseph's article has a more authoritative tone about its "unambiguous answer" than the scientific papers that Joseph has based his article on!

Danino points out that no single discipline will be able to settle the Aryan invasion question on its own. Vedic scholars, archeologists, bioanthropologists, archaeoastronomers and linguists have their say too. The problem, Danino says, "is essentially multidisciplinary".

Wonderful contribution from Danino to Hindu believers like me who believe that Rama and Krishna avatars lived around 20,000 years and around 5,000 years ago, respectively, in the Indian sub-continent. Thanks Michel Danino.

Wednesday, June 28, 2017

Eenadu Anantapur district supplement article today on Saiprabha Patnaik suicide case

Last updated on 29th June 2017

[Readers who don't like reading about unpleasant matters related to Prasanthi Nilayam should skip reading this post.]

I debated for some time whether I should put up this post. But then I remembered how I suffered when I was mentally harassed in 2011-12 by Sai university administrators (ex HOD DMACS V. Chandrasekaran, Registrar Naren Ramji, ex vice-chancellor Sashidhara Prasad and then Director PN campus Sudhir Bhaskar) with NOT A SINGLE COLLEAGUE in the Sai university daring to oppose these administratrors' Asathya-Adharma actions (untruthful and unethical actions) against me which I view as teacher-droham paapam (harmful sin committed against teacher). It was a VERY VERY LONELY & TRAUMATIC PERIOD for me in Puttaparthi then which affected both my mental and physical health!!! [To know more details about my problem please see my blog post: My May 2012 service record & record tampering related correspondence with Sai university (SSSIHL) administrators,]

So I felt that I should not stay silent in this case of Saiprabha Patnaik where she seems to have committed suicide out of what she felt was mental harassment. I repeat this is what she felt as mental harassment - I am not stating that she was mentally harassed. That judgement can be done only after conducting an investigation into her complaints and listening to the views of those she has complained against.

Today's (28-June-2017) Eenadu Telugu paper's Anantapur district supplement carried an article which is critical of the slow pace of the police investigation into Saiprabha Patnaik suicide case. I have attached a pic of that article below.

[To open pic in higher resolution, right-click on pic followed by open in new tab/window, and in new tab/window click on pic to zoom in.]

My Telugu is barely OK and so I needed help from others to understand what is conveyed in this article. To be on the safer side, in what I have given below, when in doubt I have chosen to use slightly watered-down/softer version of what was conveyed to me/what I understood, from the Telugu article. However, readers should please note that there may be some inadvertent mistakes in my English version below of some of the contents of the Telugu article.

The article states that Saiprabha's laptop contained 'aatmahatyaku kaaranaalu' - reasons for (her) suicide, and 'manasikanga vedhimpulaku gurichesina vyaktula vivaraalu' - details of the person(s) who caused her mental stress/agony. The article indicates that Saiprabha Patnaik has stated that Satyajit (Salian), Vidyavahini project director (who would have been her boss, I guess) was causing her mental stress/harassment due to which she is committing suicide (or words to that effect). [Note that I think this seems to have been work (Vidya Vahini work) related stress.]

Now I hasten to say that just because Saiprabha Patnaik has made such statements, one cannot jump to any conclusions about whether Satyajit Salian and/or any others in Vidya Vahini mentally harassed Saiprabha. One has to listen to/read  Satyajit and/or others' versions as well before one arrives at a conclusion whether Saiprabha's claim is true or not.

I also hasten to say that the tone of the Eenadu article is very aggressive in terms of questioning police why action has not been taken. My previous posts which shared Indian Supreme Court judgements on abetment of suicide charges, clearly shows that ONLY SUICIDE NOTE blaming person(s) is NOT enough grounds for abetment of suicide (criminal) charge. There has to be evidence of ACTUAL ABETMENT by the accused persons KNOWING that she may/would commit suicide, for such a charge to be upheld. So I oppose the aggressive tone of the Eenadu article about lack of action from the police. I further am of the view that even if the local police make an abetment of suicide (criminal) charge against Satyajit and/or others BASED ONLY ON SUICIDE NOTE, a good lawyer can tear that criminal charge apart when it comes up for hearing in a (criminal) court of law.

However, I think the police should make a statement giving the public a status update of their investigation into this case.

Given below are the comments from my Facebook post,, associated with this post:

In response to comment, "Noted the contents. Good, you put up the post, Anna. Truth, will definitely come to light.", I (Ravi) wrote:
Thanks for your support for the truth being brought to light, in a fair way to all concerned.

--Name-snipped-- wrote (slightly edited):
From a general perspective, i wish to add, to a large extent it could (be) "work related stress". I don't have much info. about the working style of Vidya Vahini, i can say it is not a small unit, they have expanded their horizons far & wide. So, maybe, there's too much pressure on Staff to complete projects. We live in a fast paced life, hence it is the responsibility of Bosses & Section Heads to take care of their Staff. At the end of the day, we are Humans, have our own personal life too. It's not easy to manage personal & professional life too. One should have "Me time" to de-stress & go back to work energised.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
--Name-snipped--, I think stress management has to be shared by bosses/section heads as well as staff. All are human including the bosses/section heads and staff. However, bosses are in a position of power and so can fall into the trap of abuse of power and mental harassment of their subordinates.

Staff should know how to raise their grievances. Bottling it up inside does not work. Sharing it with colleagues may help but in PN ashram system it is my personal experience that colleagues don't want to get in bad books of bosses/section heads and so will not go beyond lip sympathy. Instead they will offer advice which tries to spiritually rationalize mental harassment by bosses as Swami test, Karma etc.

In 2011-12, I was advised to simply follow the HOD's instructions not only by the vice-chancellor but also by some colleagues! One senior colleague (Visiting Faculty designation) stopped associating then with Vidya Vahini work because the HOD phoned him up and asked him to do that! I mean, whether what the boss says is right or wrong does not matter. My HOD was IGNORANT about software development. How could I follow that ignorant about software development man's instructions about teaching/research related to software development!.

Just follow the boss's instructions or leave (the leave part was implied not explicit), were the options I was given by the vice-chancellor, Sashidhara Prasad. He was not bothered about finding out who was right or who was wrong. He needed the HOD more than me, so I could be dispensed with! As simple as that!

I choose to leave rather than compromise on Sathya and Dharma, and desecrate and pollute my field of software development by following the IGNORANT about software development HOD's instructions in my teaching & research in software development role in the Sai university. But then I was financially independent and offering FREE SERVICE (for nine years from Jan. 2003 to Mar. 2012), and so did not have to worry about economic survival in Puttaparthi when I quit. I should clarify that my financial independence is due to me leading a simple ceiling-on-desires, single (unmarried) spiritual aspirant/free Seva/service worker life.

Staff in Prasanthi Nilayam ashram system who cannot handle the work pressure or mental harassment or whatever, should simply quit the job, if they are not financially dependent on PN ashram system job. I don't know the financial dependence aspect in Saiprabha Patnaik's case. But I have received reports that she was quite good in at least some aspects of the work she did in Vidya Vahini. So I think she surely could have got some job, say even as a teacher of computer skills job, somewhere, and managed to live a simple ceiling-on-desires life on it. Perhaps she was too emotionally entangled with Vidya Vahini and the status she may have had in her social circles including Vidya Vahini colleagues, due to that job. That emotional attachment to one's job including any social status associated with it, is a problem in such scenarios. One should not get so attached to one's job and social status associated with it, that one cannot walk away from it due to this emotional attachment, if things become difficult.

For those (paid) staff in Prasanthi Nilayam system who are financially dependent on their job and feel that they are mentally harassed by their bosses (and/or colleagues), it is a difficult situation. I don't know what to say for people who are caught up in such situations. I pray to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba to help them. Jai Sairam!

--Name-snipped-- responded:
You are absolutely right. I'm an old timer too. My (late) mother was associated with PN since late 1950s. I'm very much aware how was it then & now. I know their mindset very well. And i do agree with you, when one is financially dependent on them, it's sad they can't speak out. You are fortunate enough to be financially independent, hence, you are in a better place today. Sairam.
[Ravi S. Iyer Facebook-liked the above comment.]

In response to comment, "Authorities should conduct enquiry and the culprit/s should be punished.", I (Ravi) wrote (slightly edited):
--Name-snipped-- sir, I think the police authorities don't seem to have a criminal case for abetment of suicide (I explained why in the post above). However, the police could share with the public, appropriate information about what Saiprabha Patnaik said as the reason for her committing suicide. So far, while media has reported some material which is what I have used in the post, I don't think the police have officially stated much about what Saiprabha Patnaik has written in her suicide note(s) or equivalent.

What I expect is that the police investigation will not result in any criminal charges being made, and that the case will be closed as suicide due to mental trauma. Based on what has been revealed in the media so far, I think that will be the fair action from police as per current law in India about these matters.

However, after the police investigation is complete, or perhaps in parallel to it, IDEALLY, Prasanthi Nilayam (PN) ashram system bosses should initiate an INTERNAL investigation to find out the truth about allegations of (work related) mental harassment made by Saiprabha Patnaik against her Vidya Vahini boss(es). IDEALLY, they should share appropriate parts of this report (some parts may be kept confidential) with the Sathya Sai fraternity PUBLICLY. This would then let Sai fraternity know what happened, from a top level investigation view. Then the report should suggest steps to avoid such very tragic incidents in future. This part is very important. And this part MUST BE SHARED PUBLICLY with the Sai fraternity.

But then, will Prasanthi Nilayam system have the resources, time and the will to go through these INTERNAL investigation and public report tasks? I doubt it. PN is more of a day-to-day management system having day-to-day management challenges, sometimes very unexpected challenges like this tragic suicide case, with a fluid group of volunteers and a backbone of very small base of regular paid staff. It will be difficult for PN system to engage in such an investigation due to resources, time and will challenges.

But PN system has already taken top-level action for which I think they need to be commended. Satyajit Salian is no longer with Vidya Vahini. I was informed that a senior lady who has been with PN system for some years now, has been chosen to take over as Director, Vidya Vahini. I support that decision. I think a senior lady who has served in PN system for some years now, and is an alumnus of Sai university, being boss of Vidya Vahini now will be a good way to rebuild morale especially among lady volunteers (& perhaps some staff too) in Vidya Vahini. I believe there are many such lady volunteers (& perhaps some staff too) in Vidya Vahini.

A downside of such a decision to change the head of Vidya Vahini is that the outgoing person (Satyajit) seems to have not got a chance to defend himself in this matter. But such is life in PN system. It takes one major disastrous event in a section to shift a section head out of his current work to something else. The section head has to take such stuff in his stride or quit PN system. Tough! But, I repeat, such is life in PN system.

Monday, June 26, 2017

Upto Saiprabha Patnaik's parents and other close kin to leave the matter SOLELY to Bhagavan's DIVINE WILL or to share their view with Sai fraternity

I planned to wait for a few more days before putting up this post. But something prompted me to put it up today evening itself.

Day before yesterday (24th June) I had put up the post, "We should wait for a few days more for Saiprabha Patnaik suicide case investigation status update",

So far I don't think there has been any sharing of Saiprabha Patnaik suicide investigation status update in local (Telugu) print or TV media.

Over the past few days as I reflected about no further update on the matter, I felt that it is really upto Saiprabha Patnaik's close kin on what should be done. That close kin would be her parents and any siblings, I guess. I also read somewhere that a cousin of hers is an alumnus of Sai university. I think it is upto these persons to decide whether further information about this MUST be shared with Sai fraternity (and general public) or not. If they feel that it is best to leave it SOLELY to Bhagavan to handle the matter at DIVINE LEVEL then I think we should all drop the matter and leave it SOLELY to Bhagavan to handle at DIVINE LEVEL.

But if they feel that further information should be shared with Sathya Sai fraternity (and general public) then they, mainly Saiprabha Patnaik's parents, can put out a PUBLIC Facebook post giving their view of the matter. Saiprabha Patnaik's cousin, who is a Sai university alumnus I am told, can help them do so, if they are not familiar with Facebook. I have presumed that such a public Facebook post has not been put up so far. If readers know of any such post I request them to give me its link.

Sunday, June 25, 2017

'Muslim saint/fakir' Shirdi Sai Baba destroys 'holy pride' of Hindu Brahmin Moolay Shastri, and showers Grace on him

Yesterday night I was (re-)reading Shirdi Sai Satcharitra and came across the Moolay [Mule] Shastri experience account. Given below is the extract from Chapter 12 of Shirdi Sai Satcharitra having that account, (slightly edited for small typos and easier readability):

Moolay [Mule] Shastri of Nasik

An orthodox Agnihotri Brahmin of Nasik, by name Moolay Shastri, who had studied the six Shastras and was well-versed in astrology and palmistry, once came to Shirdi to see Mr. Bapusaheb Booty, the famous millionaire of Nagpur. After seeing him, he and others went to see Baba in the Masjid. Baba bought various fruits and other things from vendors with His own money, and distributed them to the persons present in the Masjid. Baba used to press the mango on all sides so skilfully that when any person received it from Baba and sucked it, he got all the pulp at once in his mouth and could throw away the stone and the skin forthwith. Plantains were peeled off by Baba and the kernel was distributed to the devotees, while the skins were retained by Baba for Himself. Moolay Shastri, as a palmist, wanted to examine Baba's hand or palm and requested Him to extend the same. Baba ignored his request and gave four plantains to him.

Then, they all returned to the Wada and Moolay Shastri bathed, wore sacred clothes, and started his routine duties, viz. Agnihotra etc. Then Baba as usual started for Lendi and said - "Take some Geru (i.e. a red miry substance, to dye clothes in saffron-colour), we shall today don saffron-coloured cloth." None understood what Baba meant. Then after some time when Baba returned, and preparations for the noon-Arati were being made, Bapusaheb Jog asked Moolay Shastri, whether he would accompany him for the Arti. He replied that he would see Baba in the afternoon. Very soon Baba sat on his seat, was worshipped by the devotees and Arti commenced. Then Baba said - "Get some Dakshina from the new (Nasik) Brahmin."

Booty himself went to get the Dakshina; and when he gave Baba's message to Moolay Shastri, he was sorely perplexed. He thought in his mind thus: "I am a pure Agnihotri Brahmin, why should I pay Dakshina? Baba may be a great Saint. I am not His dependent." But as a great Saint like Sai Baba was asking for Dakshina through a millionaire like Booty, he could not refuse. So leaving his routine unfinished, he forthwith started with Booty to the Masjid. Thinking himself holy and sacred, and the Masjid otherwise, he remained at a distance, and joining his hands threw flowers at Baba. Then lo! all of a sudden, he saw no Baba on the seat, but saw his late Guru Gholap Swami there. He was wonder-struck. Could this be a dream? No, it was not, as he was wide awake; but though awake, how could his late Guru Gholap be there? He was speechless for some time. He pinched himself and thought again, but could not reconcile the fact of his late Guru Gholap being in the Masjid. Ultimately, leaving all doubt, he went up, fell at his Guru's feet and then getting up stood there with folded hands. Other people sang Baba's Arati, while Moolay Shastri chanted his Guru's name. Then casting off all pride of caste and ideas about sacredness, he fell flat at his Guru's feet and closed his eyes. When he got up and opened his eyes, he saw Baba asking for Dakshina. Seeing Baba's blissful form, and His inconceivable power, Moolay Shastri forgot himself. He was extremely pleased, his eyes were full of tears of joy. He again saluted Baba and gave the Dakshina. He said that his doubt was removed and that he saw his own Guru. On seeing his wonderful Leela of Baba all the people, including Moolay Shastri, were much moved, and they realized the meaning of Baba's words, "Bring Geru, we shall don saffron-coloured garment." Such is the wonderful Leela of Baba.

--- end extract from Shirdi Sai Satcharitra ---

Here's an article about Guru Gholap Swami:

Ravi: Firstly, I would like to say that I have no doubt that Shirdi Sai Baba had the awesome mystical powers that are mentioned in the above account (even if the above account may have some slight variance with what actually happened; not that I know of such variance but I am mentioning it as a possibility). And the reason that I do not have any doubt about such mystical powers of Shirdi Sai Baba is my own DIRECT EXPERIENCE of mystical powers of my beloved and revered Gurudev, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba (physical form).

In the above account, Shirdi Sai Baba first ignores Mooley Shastri's request to read Baba's palm and instead gives him four plantains (bananas). Baba would have known the haughty 'holy pride' of Hindu Brahmin Mooley Shastri due to which Mooley Shastri did not really revere him (Baba) as a holy man, and so rejects Shastri's request to read his palm. However, Baba does show kindness to Shastri by giving him four plantains.

Later Baba seems to have decided to give Shastri darshan of Shastri's Late Guru Gholap Swami who would have been a saffron clad sannyasi. So Baba remarks, "Take some Geru (i.e. a red miry substance, to dye clothes in saffron-colour), we shall today don saffron-coloured cloth." The people around Baba did not understand what he was talking about! Baba was on a different mystical plane of existence.

Later (same day) the noon-arati started with Booty and other devotees worshiping Baba, at which time Shastri chose to do his Agnihotra Brahmin rituals at the Wada (place of residence for devotees), planning to visit the masjid later in the afternoon (after completing his Agnihotra Brahmin rituals). But Baba perhaps felt that the time had come to give Shastri darshan of Shastri's guru, Gholap Swami! So he demanded dakshina from Shastri (new Brahmin who had visited him)! When that message is conveyed to Shastri by the millionaire Booty who had brought him to Shirdi in the first place, Shastri's "holy pride" as an Agnihotri Brahmin seems to have got offended by this dakshina demand from somebody who he viewed as a 'Muslim saint'. Note that Hindu Brahmins like Shastri who offer various services like doing worship/puja for others, lectures on shastras (holy scripture) and, in this case, astrology and palmistry, traditionally get dakshina (payment) from the beneficiaries/students of their services. So dakshina being demanded of him by this 'Muslim saint' would have been almost an affront to Shastri!!

But Shastri does not want to offend the big man from worldly power point of view, millionaire Booty, and so goes along with him to offer his dakshina, as demanded. Shastri has to break the Agnihotra rituals he is doing, with perhaps a plan to continue them after the dakshina offering task is done. Now the Hindu Agnihotri Brahmin Shastri, especially while doing his Agnihotri rituals, considers himself to be in a sacred space/zone, and so does not want to pollute his sacredness then by stepping into the 'Muslim saint's' Masjid!!! So he offers (throws) flowers (as dakshina, I guess) to Baba from a distance!

Baba, the 'Muslim saint/fakir' decides it is time to reveal His divinity to the Hindu Brahmin Moolay Shastri!!! What DIVINE DRAMA!!! So Baba shows himself (his body) as Shastri's Late Guru Gholap Swami!!! Amazing! This demonstrates Shirdi Baba's awesome mystical powers of not only knowing intimate details about the 'new Brahmin' Shastri's life including his Late Guru Gholap Swami, but also the power of taking on that form of saffron clad Guru Gholap Swami in the vision of Shastri, and perhaps only in the vision of Shastri (others may not have seen Baba as a saffron clad Hindu Guru). I repeat that I have NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that Shirdi Sai Baba could have such awesome mystical powers because of my own DIRECT EXPERIENCE of some awesome mystical powers of Sathya Sai Baba (physical form).

Shastri cannot believe his eyes! He pinches himself to know that he is not dreaming. He ensures that he is really awake. Then he forgets all his haughty 'holy pride' of being a Hindu Agnihotri Brahmin who was interrupted while doing his holy Agnihotri rituals, and rushes to the 'Muslim saint' in his masjid as he sees his Late Guru there instead of the 'Muslim saint'!!! What a way to destroy the holy pride of the Hindu Brahmin Shastri and shower Grace on him with the vision of his Late Hindu guru and by teaching him that divinity is beyond caste and beyond religion! What an awesome DIVINE LEELA of Bhagavan Sri Shirdi Sai Baba! I feel blessed to re-read the account and to write this post about it.

It would be appropriate to end this post with the words of Shirdi Sai Baba about religion and God, and of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba about caste, religion and God:


Sai Baba also condemned distinction based on religion or caste. It remains unclear if he was a Muslim or a Hindu. This, however, was of no consequence to Sai Baba. His teaching combined elements of Hinduism and Islam: he gave the Hindu name Dwarakamayi to the mosque in which he lived, practised both Hindu and Muslim rituals, taught using words and figures that drew from both traditions, and took samadhi in Shirdi. One of his well-known epigrams, Allah Malik (God is King) and Sabka Malik Ek (One God governs all), is associated with both Hinduism and Islam. He is also known to have said Look to me, and I shall look to you.

It was only after Baba forfeited a wrestling match with one Mohiddin Tamboli that he took up the kafni and cloth cap, articles of typical Sufi clothing. This attire contributed to Baba's identification as a Muslim fakir and was a reason for initial indifference and hostility against him in a predominantly Hindu village.
--- end extracts from wikipedia ---

Ravi: The above extracts show that Shirdi Sai Baba wore the dress typical of Sufi fakirs, and used to say "Allah Malik" (which is also mentioned in Sai Satcharitra), and therefore Shirdi Sai Baba was viewed as a Muslim fakir especially by new visitors (like Hindu Brahmin Moolay Shashtri mentioned in this post).

Shirdi Sai Baba used to frequently say, "Allah Maalik" - Allah/God is the master/owner, and used to say, "Sabka Maalik Ek" - The master/owner (God) of all is one. He had Hindu and Muslim devotees and is not reported to have particularly favoured one religion's devotees over another, though his Hindu devotees do seem to have outnumbered his Muslim devotees significantly, especially in the last period of Shirdi Sai Baba's earthly sojourn.

Sathya Sai Baba taught, "There is only one religion; the religion of Love", "There is only caste; the caste of Humanity" and "There is only one God, He is Omnipresent." Source:

So both the Sai Babas, Shirdi and Sathya, actively promoted unity of faiths teaching that both Hindu and Muslim faiths worshiped the same God, even if the ways of worship were different.

[I thank and wikipedia, and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above extract from their website on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Saturday, June 24, 2017

We should wait for a few days more for Saiprabha Patnaik suicide case investigation status update

We should wait for a few days more for a PUBLIC update from Puttaparthi police through local Telugu print & TV media, about the Saiprabha Patnaik suicide case in Vidya Vahini office in Prasanthi Nilayam on June 6th night/June 7th morning.[Here's my related post: Tragic event (possible suicide) in Prasanthi Nilayam, Puttaparthi ashram yesterday - 7th June 2017,]

Perhaps the police need some more time before they are ready to share an update on the investigation with the public.

Some unwanted and baseless rumours are being floated in social media in this regard which I think should be ignored as of now.

Let us hope that in the next few days we will get a public update from Puttaparthi police via local Telugu media, on the investigation status of this tragic case.

Ramana: Absence of thoughts does not mean a blank; Sathya Sai: Nothingness (in mind) is not the absence of something

In my Facebook share of Ramana Maharishi post,, which has a pic of Ramana Maharishi with the message, "Absence of thoughts does not mean a blank. There must be one to know the blank." attributed to "Talk 245".

My Facebook share,, dated 24th June 2017, of the above post, has the following share-comment of mine:


In my initial intellectual (as against experiential) understanding of such mind states of absence of thought, I did get troubled by arguments against it as being a negative approach where one is being escapist and embracing a void.

Later I understood that it is not so. That when thoughts cease there is another awareness which was always there even when the mind was full of thoughts, but which one was not aware of (I think the pun is appropriate here). So when the thoughts cease - mind goes blank, so to speak - it is not nothingness that one gets into, though it may seem that way for some time for new practitioners of thoughtless state of being. While in such thoughtless states, eventually the unchanging awareness/consciousness gets observed or recognized and identified with as the core of our being, as our existential reality.

For me, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's words on this are the authoritative revelation: I am searching for the exact quote but meanwhile I will share what I remember of his words. He said something like, the ultimate reality (your/our reality) is a nothingness. But not a nothingness that signifies the absence of something. Instead a nothingness which has the power to project this whole universe.

Update: I got the quote of Bhagavan. In Page 12 of Sathya Sai Newsletter [USA], Winter 1992, Vol. 16, No. 2, (note that file is 26 MB size and the download of it can be slow), we have the following statements:

Awaken your true, fine, beautiful qualities. Above you--nothing. Below you--nothing. To the right of you--or to the left of you--nothing; and dissolve yourself into that nothingness. That would be the best way you could explain the realization of the Self And, yet, that nothingness is not the absence of something. That nothingness is the fullness of everything--it is the power of the existence of that which appears to be everything.
- [Words of] Sathya Sai Baba
From [the book] 'My Baba and I' by Jack Hislop

Friday, June 23, 2017

Dehachi Tijori Bhaktichacha Theva - Famous Marathi Bhakti song

Here's the video (an enhanced version of the original film video):, 3 min 4 secs.

This is a Marathi Bhakti (Devotion) song that I have heard countless times, on radio and perhaps elsewhere too, as I was growing up in Mumbai and in Dombivli (town near Mumbai) (I was born in early 1960s), and has stayed in my mind as one of my favourite Bhakti songs. It is from the Marathi film 'Amhi Jato Amuchya Gava' released in 1968, The singer is Sudhir Phadke.

My Marathi is middling type and I am badly out of touch for nearly fifteen years now since I moved to Puttaparthi, Andhra Pradesh from Maharashtra. So my translations given below of a few lines may have some mistakes.

The song starts with the lines:
"Dehachi tijori bhaktichacha theva
Ughad daar deva aata ughad daar deva".

I would translate that as:
"Keep the valuables-locker of your body for Bhakti only/mainly
Open the door now O God/O Lord, open the door".

Another couple of lines from the song that has stood out for me and been an important message that I viewed as one of my key takeaways from the song, are:

"Swaartha janu bhinti varcha aarsa bilori
Aapuleecha pratima hote aapuleecha bairi"

which I would translate roughly as:

"The mirror on the wall of selfish people is (strange?)
Our own reflections (people) become (opposed?) to us".

I interpreted that as selfish people tend to have selfish family & friends who may turn against them. So being selfish (beyond a reasonable survival-need point) was not good. Today I am very thankful that such melodious and popular songs heard in my youth passed on or reinforced such messages and values in me.

The audio alone can also be heard in this collection of Sudhir Phadke songs with this song being the first,

Bholi Surat Dil Ke Khote - 1950s Hit Hindi film song

Note: I put up this post on my spiritual blog as the first two lines of the song mentioned below also can be interpreted in a human values/spiritual values sense.

A 1952 Hindi film romantic-dance hit song which has stayed alive for generations. It certainly was very alive in the 1980s when I was a young adult.

The first two lines of the song have been very catchy I think:
"Bholi surat dil ke khote
Naam bade aur darshan chote"

which I would translate as
"Innocent face (but) deceitful heart
Big (in) name (& reputation) but small (in) reality"

The original song with some touch-up of the video to improve it, I guess; video has a gap in the song: Bholi Soorat Dil Ke Khote | Albela Songs | Bhagwan Dada | Geeta Bali | C Ramchandra | Filmigaane,, 4 min. 34 secs.

The same song redone recently in a movie released in 2016 (64 years later!): Bholi Surat | Ekk Albela | Video Song | Vidya Balan,, 3 min. 1 sec.

This video of the original song, seems to have clearer audio without any gap, but the video is fuzzy, and even distorted at times:, around 5 min.

'Pathetic' comment exchange led me to block somebody on Facebook

Given below are the contents of my recent Facebook post, :

'Pathetic' comment exchange led me to block somebody

Just wanted to share with readers that last night I got into a comment exchange with a person (not a Facebook friend at that time), who is a Sai educational system alumna, who said I was pathetic (or words to that effect). In response, I told her that she was pathetic! This exchange happened on and in the context of my recent post, "Why are SAI social media activists SILENT on GREAT BETRAYAL by Sai university alumni-staff in period Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014, and COVER-UP & SILENCE thereafter?", dated 22-Jun-2017. I have since deleted these comment exchanges.

Given that we had such negative views about each other, I felt it best to block that person on Facebook to prevent further "pathetic" exchanges :-).

I do realize that my above mentioned post would upset some persons, especially Sai educational institution alumni. However, I think what I am saying is largely the truth perhaps coloured by some emotion from me in response to some recent Facebook discussions - I have more than my fair share of human flaws which include getting emotionally upset at times.

I request readers who got upset with my above-mentioned post to seriously consider unfriending/unfollowing me and even blocking me. I mean, you can simply switch off my posts from coming to your attention/view by doing the above steps and save yourself from getting upset.

I write what I feel is the truth, and many of my writings are driven by inner prompting/urging. But I surely could be wrong in some of my writings - at times, what I feel is the truth may not be the truth. I do not claim to be perfect. I repeat that I have more than my fair share of human flaws.

But I have the freedom of speech in India to write (on social media) so long as I stay within its freedom of speech laws, which is what I try very hard to do. Further, some of my writings, including the above mentioned post, come from strong and compulsive-kind of inner promptings at which time I feel I MUST write expressing these strong inner promptings and not suppress (public) expression of those strong inner promptings.

I am certainly willing to entertain, and even welcome, polite criticism of and on my posts. But insulting criticism, including 'pathetic' criticism, of me and my writings, is not something that I will tolerate on my social media pages.

Thursday, June 22, 2017

Some comments of mine about dangers of thermonuclear war in the world

Given below are comments I made on a Facebook post that shared this Facebook video, A Sikh prayer for America, Breathe and push: Sikh-American civil rights advocate Valarie Kaur's plea to her country in the times of Donald J. Trump.,, around 6 mins.

[Note that as I have not provided the comments of the other person I was having this exchange with, readers will have to tolerate some lack of context while reading my comments below. Readers may please feel free to skip reading the post if that bothers them.]

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
A very moving video! Thanks for sharing! I pray to Almighty God to shower His Grace on the USA and bring peace, love and joy to it.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
--Name-snipped--, Undoubtedly the USA is going through a challenging period now where it needs more & more practice of Sathya (Truth), Dharma (Ethical living), Shanti (Peace) and Prema (Love).

I don't know about whether the fate of the whole world is at stake based on what happens in the USA. I think the rest of the world will surely find a way to live without the USA if USA wants it to be that way (isolationist). However, I do hope that USA does not go the isolationist path as that would be a loss for USA citizens as well as the rest of the world.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Well, the danger of a thermonuclear war engulfing the whole world has been around for decades, and it typically gets heightened when there is tension between USA and Russia, the two biggest nuclear armed nations with formidable conventional military forces as well. But interestingly enough, Trump has taken a non-confrontational approach to Russia, and so I think a USA Russia nuclear war danger is lesser now than it was in the past.

What Trump may do is to bomb smaller countries with conventional weapons. USA under Trump has already used the mother of all bombs in Afghanistan and launched over 50 missile strikes against Syria. The recent arms sales deal between USA and Saudi Arabia is a very, very big one. ... All this points to increased possibility of conventional non-nuclear warfare in many parts of the world in the near and mid-term future, which is very unfortunate. Further, I think there could be heightened arms races all over the world.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
--Name-snipped--, I don't know what to say to the Sathya Sai Baba revelation you have quoted. I had read that earlier as well. Perhaps all I can say is that if Bhagavan reveals Himself in whatever form to the whole world at a near-apocalypse moment - which is what an immediate prospect of thermonuclear war involving USA, Russia and "Muslim powers" will be - then that will be an extraordinary world changing event, which is what the revelation itself says.

But meanwhile we have Bhagavan's teachings that we too have to do our bit to help the world and not rely only on God without us doing whatever little bit we can. It is in that context that, after Mahasamadhi, slowly I started reading about world matters again - after moving to Puttaparthi in Oct. 2002 I had severely limited my readings about world events to focus on my spiritual efforts.

From my reading of current world situation, I do feel that tension between USA and Russia is lower than it was under Obama administration. But, yes, it could change and change real fast, especially for USA under president Trump as he does seem to take very unusual approaches to USA relations with the rest of the world. And, yes, Trump and Putin are NOT buddies. I think political leaders of powerful countries like USA and Russia have to go by their country's needs and priorities and not so much by personal equations that they may have between them.

In this context, I wonder whether you have read about the fear that scientists have about accidental nuclear war. That is very scary and I think a very real fear. Here's a blog post of mine that has some info. about it in the second part of the post: And here's a short around 2 min video which captures the scientists fears: (also mentioned in my blog post).

As a former international software consultant/technologist I am really scared by the possibilities mentioned in the above video put up by "concerned scientists". I know from experience and knowledge that software systems, which are vital for such weapon systems nowadays, may have their flaws too.

To conclude, the fears of thermonuclear war holocaust breaking out in the world are real, and have been real for quite a few years, if not decades, now. But we cannot let that fear paralyze us. Countries like USA, Russia, China, North Korea, India and Pakistan are all nuclear weapon powers and also have some military tension/issues with some nuclear weapon country or the other. If peace is established between all nuclear weapon powers then the chances of thermonuclear war go down. I think that must be the goal of peace loving people the world over. However, that's easier said than done. My own country has military tension with Pakistan over the past many months in its border areas with Pakistan and also about some attacks on Indian armed force/police forces. Such is life! Jai Sairam!

Why are SAI social media activists SILENT on GREAT BETRAYAL by Sai university alumni-staff in period Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014, and COVER-UP & SILENCE thereafter?

Last edited on 23-Jun-2017

Today we have many Sathya Sai social media activists on Facebook attacking Muddenahalli group left, right and centre. They call them demonic. They call them BIG SCAMSTERS. They say they are going to run brothels and use that money to fund their social service activites - and when questioned to provide evidence for their brothels charge, they talk about sarcasm!

I recently wrote publicly on Facebook (and blog) that I have a nuanced stand whereby (there may be minor differences in text and elaboration between what I have written below and my earlier stand but the intent is the same):

a) I condemn their leader Madhusudan Naidu for going against Bhagavan's teachings by claiming to be a so called communicator and their leader Narasimhamurthy for going against Bhagavan's teachings by having claimed earlier to be a dream-instructions medium of Bhagavan (from Jul 2011 till Narasimhamurthy became a devotee of Madhusudan Rao Naidu sometime in 2014),

b) and I condemn those leaders who have publicly endorsed Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claim including Narasimhamurthy and former Sai university vice-chancellor Sashidhara Prasad,

c) but do accept that the medical and educational FREE service to the poor that Muddenahalli group (includes followers of these leaders who may simply believe Madhusudan Naidu's claim to be true) are doing is good, in general (in my view).

I mean, I am NOT willing to CONDEMN their medical and educational free service to the poor (excluding any brain-washing of students and patients to believe in Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claim, which I CONDEMN).

That led to me coming under some criticism by people on social media as they seem to be unhappy with me saying that their free medical and educational service to the poor is good, in general (excluding any brain-washing bit). I countered their criticism with my view of the matter.

Now I have a few questions of these social media activists who have criticized me and those who supported such criticism.

1) Do you condemn the free medical and free educational service done by Muddenahalli group (excluding any brain-washing part of students and patients to believe in Madhusudan's claim)? Don't dodge the question. Have the courage to answer it. Yes or No?

2) [This point is not a question but gives some background info.] SSSCT trustee S.S. Naganand has played a key role in revealing to Sathya Sai fraternity what happened in the Sri Sathya Sai Loka Seva Trust - SSSLST - (which owns and manages the Muddenahalli school and its grounds where Muddenahalli group has its "darshan" and "sambhashan" (discourse) sessions of Madhusudan) in the years after Mahasamadhi. Perhaps he chose to reveal the matters as the matter had gone to court. Now we know the SSSCT side of the story relating to SSSLST.

Then we had the revered Gangadhara Bhat anna of Alike school, former chairman of SSSLST, tell us (not sure whether it was in public or in private) about how Narasimhamurthy was the key powermonger who involved him in the allegedly illegal act of changing the SSSLST trust deed to increase its trustees to nine members (from five, if I recall correctly), which enabled Muddenahalli group supporters to have a majority in SSSLST board of trustees. Gangadhara Bhat anna has also said that he does not believe in Madhusudan claim (though I have to say that he showed to the Sathya Sai devotee world as if he was doing so in previous years). I am given to understand that Gangadhara anna has even acknowledged that he made a (big) mistake by supporting Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan Naidu after Mahasamadhi (2011) till he broke away from them sometime in end 2016/early 2017.

But, in contrast, the Sathya Sai fraternity on social media has got no such revelations and confessions and apologies from Sai university alumni-staff about the GREAT BETRAYAL by them of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba from Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014 when they BLINDLY followed instructions of TRAITORS vice-chancellor Sashidhara Prasad and former warden Narasimhamurthy!!!

3) Why have you NOT DEMANDED that Sai university conduct a PUBLIC & THOROUGH INVESTIGATION of the GREAT BETRAYAL from Jul. 2011 to Nov. 2014 by its former vice-chacellor Sashidhara Prasad and former warden Narasimhamurthy, and traitor-collaborators (quislings) like Naren Ramji (Registrar) and Sudhir Bhaskar (then Director of Prasanthi Nilayam campus)? Why have you not demanded that SSSCT trustee Shri K.Chakravarthi who was the key trustee handling the Sai university, should give a full and public account of what happened then, like SSSCT trustee Shri S.S. Naganand has done in the matter of SSSLST illegal trust deed amendment? In particular, I ask the above questions to the Sai educational institution alumni who seem to have become leaders of the group that is challenging me on social media. Are you SCARED of offending your alumni brothers? Are you scared of the INEVITABLE BLOWBACK from alumni if you DARE to say such things? If so, then at least be TRUTHFUL and say that you scared of asking such questions to bring out the TRUTH of the GREAT BETRAYAL that happened in the Sai university. Don't be a big DHONGI (hypocrite) appearing to be a great warrior for truth while you are not willing to investigate and reveal the truth of the GREAT BETRAYAL in the Sai university itself.

That finishes my main questions.

It is my considered view that the BIG FAILURE in this immediate post-Mahasamdhi Sathya Sai movement is from ALUMNI OF SAI EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS. They are the CAUSE of the SPLIT in the Sathya Sai movement - Prasanthi Nilayam and Muddenahalli. Madhusudan Rao Naidu is an alumnus of Brindavan campus and Prasanthi Nilayam campus of the Sai university!!! The Sai educational institution alumni are the people who endorsed and supported Muddenahalli group in its initial years.

I have not hesitated to challenge those of the Sai educational institution alumni who became promoters of Madhusudan Rao Naidu. How many alumni have challenged them? Has anybody, I repeat anybody, challenged its main alumni promoter-preacher/promoter-apologist, brother VijaySai B.S., like me (I mean, in the direct & intense way I have by dedicating many posts to challenging him, and not by only some comments here and there on Facebook)? And now some of these alumni fellows are trying to teach me, and because of their alumni status seem to have found supporters in their efforts to challenge me! What a JOKE!!!

It is my considered view that until and unless the key office bearers of Sai university in the GREAT BETRAYAL period of Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014, like Registrar, Controller of Examinations, Directors and Joint-Directors of campuses, hostel wardens and HODs, along with SSSCT trustees involved with Sai university management, make a clean and thorough public confession of how then vice-chancellor Sashidhara Prasad and former warden Narasimhamurthy HIJACKED Sai university including forcing out the LOYAL to Sathya Sai, veteran Prof. Anilkumar Kamaraju from the Sai university, Sai university will stay bogged down in PSYCHOLOGICAL DENIAL and COVER-UP of the GREAT BETRAYAL and continue to be a BIG FAILURE in spiritual leadership in this post-Mahasamadhi phase of Sathya Sai movement.

Note: For those who are not familiar with the word, apologist: From, "Apologetics (from Greek ἀπολογία, "speaking in defense") is the religious discipline of defending or proving the truth of religious doctrines through systematic argumentation and discourse. Early Christian writers (c. 120–220) who defended their beliefs against critics and recommended their faith to outsiders were called Christian apologists. In 21st century usage, 'apologetics' is often identified with debates over religion and theology."

And from,
'Recent Examples of apologist from the Web
And as a Christian apologist, or defender of the faith, who spoke around the country at churches and conferences, Hanegraaff also made the case against some non-Christian religions.

Tim Funk, charlotteobserver, "The photo that lost radio’s ‘Bible Answer Man’ thousands of listeners", 2 June 2017"'.

Given below are my comments from my Facebook post,, associated with this post:

Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
Sairam --name-snipped--, I do not view you as a social media activist. You only comment on few posts and typically do not get into activism. About being calm - well, I am activist on this matter and so I have to challenge people who try to challenge me. That's how these things work. If I want to be calm, I should retire from this activism. Which I may do if I get fed up of some DHONGIS!

Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
Thanks --name-snipped-- for your comment.

I agree that Muddenahalli group leaders in general, and Narasimhmamurthy and Madhusudan Rao Naidu in particular, have cheated (I mean spiritual teaching wise cheating) Swami. That is why I use the word TRAITOR for Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan Naidu especially. They betrayed Swami by diluting and distorting his legacy and memories, and they are misguiding thousands of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide by using Bhagavan's HOLY NAME & IMAGE.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
--Name-snipped--, Thanks brother for your comment. I am not so bothered (though it still is an issue for me) about my individual case of people having betrayed me and harassed and humiliated me. I am far more bothered about things related to Sathya Sai movement now like lack of spiritual leadership in Sai university and this horrendous split between Prasanthi Nilayam and Muddenahalli group.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Copy-paste of my comment from another post which I felt appropriate to put up on this post too:
I hope readers will realize that I have been working right from March 2015 on PUBLICLY opposing on social media including Facebook, the FALSE CLAIM of Madhusudan Rao Naidu, well before some Sai educational institution alumni who seem to now have attracted the attention of some people on Facebook. It is good that some such alumni are acting now, even if their actions on this matter are late. Let us hope they will be able to bring more alumni to oppose the FALSE CLAIM of Madhusudan Rao Naidu publicly. So far, very very few Sai educational institution alumni, including alumni who are Sai university faculty and administrators now, have publicly condemned Madhusudan Rao Naidu and Narasimhamurthy. Most alumni seem to want to play safe by sitting on the fence or staying silent. In the history of the Sathya Sai movement I think that this (very few alumni publicly condemning Madhusudan Rao Naidu & Narasimhamurthy) will go down as a BIG FAILURE on part of Sai educational institution alumni. Of course, the TRAITOR Madhusudan Rao Naidu is also a Sai educational institution alumnus.

[I thank wikipedia and and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above short extracts from their website on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Tuesday, June 20, 2017

More on my nuanced stand on Muddenahalli group

Last updated on 21-Jun-2017

1) I am NOT convinced that Muddenahalli group people are evil and demonic and are swindlers. Yes, some benefit of the money would be there for some leaders. But I can't view them as scamsters. So far at least I have not seen that evidence.

2) I am not willing to tar their entire free medical service to the poor as well as free educational service to the poor, as entirely Adharmic and therefore worthy of condemnation. It is not black & white for me but levels of gray. It may be a black and white picture to some. That's fine with me. We can simply politely agree to disagree. Note that Muddenahalli group have not had a single illegal funds collection charge proven against them anywhere in the world, as of now and as far as I know. I mean, it is not as if they are using illegal drug money or gambling racket or prostitution racket or extortion racket money and using their free service to society work as a cover to hide their illegal work.

3) The poor in Chhattisgarh who can't afford to pay for sophisticated medical services receiving it free at Sanjeevani hospital is a wonderful thing! These poor people need help. They don't care much that some (or all) of the funding for that hospital is received via somebody who is making a false claim to be medium of Sathya Sai. Further, I don't think most of such poor people will face Asathya-Adharma impacts from having benefited from Sanjeevaani hospital services.

I also think that the doctors and other medical staff, as well as non-medical staff serving in Sanjeevani hospitals, both the paid staff type and the free service volunteer type, CANNOT be said to be doing Asathya & Adharma when they treat the poor patients or help in the administration of the hospital. In fact, my view is that they are doing punya karma (good actions) by treating the poor or helping in such treatment of the poor.

But one presumes that significant part of the funding received for these hospitals is through the FALSE BELIEF spread by Madhusudan Rao Naidu of being a so called communicator of Bhagavan, in which case my view is that those involved in promoting that FALSE BELIEF to receive that funding are doing Asathya & Adharma, and will face the negative karmic consequences thereof.

4) My views are similar for Muddenahalli schools with ONE BIG EXCEPTION. Any teacher/staff that knowingly contributes to students being brainwashed to believe in the FALSE CLAIM of Madhusudan Rao Naidu, are actively involved in Asathya and Adharma. Those that do it knowing that Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claim is FALSE will surely face negative karmic consequences. I am not sure how exactly it may be for those teachers/staff who sincerely believe in Madhusudan's claim and participate in such brain-washing.

In any case, it is my considered view that Madhusudan Rao Naidu and Narasimhamurthy, the two key players in Muddenahalli FALSE BELIEF will surely have to suffer severe negative karmic consequences for their BETRAYAL of their Gurudev, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, by promoting a communicator/medium belief which goes against Bhagavan's teachings given publicly and on multiple occassions.

5) In the case of a recent opening of a free educational institution by Muddenahalli group in Telangana (a state in India which was carved out of a bigger Andhra Pradesh state in 2014), I have been given to understand that a senior minister of Telangana was very supportive of it. The minister was looking at the benefit of free education received by constituents of his state! He was not bothered about how the funding came (so long as it was not illegal)! I think this would be the stand of most political leaders not only in India but in most other countries of the world. The elected political leaders will encourage those who serve their people without engaging in any illegal activity. Period.

The political leaders of India (and elsewhere) will view the split in the Sai orgn. as similar to the regular splits that happen in political parties in India. They will want to steer clear of judging whether Muddenahalli group's Madhusudan Rao Naidu communicator claim is true or false, so long as his activities have not been proven to be illegal and so long as there are no significant police complaints against him or Muddenahalli group. As far as I know, no fund raising or other actions of Muddenahalli group have been proven to be illegal in India (or elsewhere). Neither are there significant police complaints against Muddenahalli group leaders.

The onus of stopping Madhusudan Rao Naidu from making the FALSE CLAIM of him being a communicator of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, in the India scenario, seems to rest SOLELY on the Indian Sai orgn. It is upto the Indian Sai orgn. to challenge Madhusudan Rao Naidu in an Indian court of law on him making this claim, and (Indian Sai orgn.) seeking orders from the court to restrain Madhusudan Rao Naidu from doing so. So far I don't think official Sai orgn. has done that. Then why will Indian political leaders want to go to the extent of stopping free service to society activities of Muddenahalli group???

To conclude, my view is that the leaders of Muddenahalli group like Sri Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan Rao Naidu have betrayed and continue to betray the teachings of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba about mediums and communicators. Whatever funds they gather through this Asathya and Adharma (FALSE) communicator/dream-instructions claim should be viewed as unethically raised funds - Asathya-Adharma funds.

But I do not view the service activities that they are doing with these unethically raised funds as completely unethical and worthy of condemnation. In particular, I do not view the free medical service and educational service they provide with unethically raised funds, as completely unethical and worthy of condemnation.

I actually appreciate the service to society work they do, while strongly disapproving of any fund raising they do using Asathya-Adharma FALSE CLAIM of communicator Madhusudan Rao Naidu (and similar dream-instructions medium Narasimhamurthy earlier on). It is not a black and white picture for me. Some may view the whole thing as bad - the fund raising as well as the entire service activities rendered to the poor. Some may view the whole thing as good - fund raising as well as entire service activities. For me, it is a complex mix of good and bad.

Given below are some comment(s) from my Facebook post,, associated with this post:

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
--Name-snipped--, if one goes by the case as presented by Central Trust (I have read one or two of their key court argument docs for this case) then Narasimhamurthy can be rightly termed as a power grabber. I tend to believe Central Trust view and so I do view Narasimhamurthy as a power grabber and perhaps power crazy person. But the court has still not ruled on it. So we don't really know what Muddenahalli group side of the story is.

Gangadhara Bhat sir coming out into the open and telling us about Narasimhamurthy's actions in grabbing power at LST as well as Gangadhar Bhat sir stating that he does not believe in Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claims also points to Narasimhamurthy being a power grabber & power crazed person.

But SCAM implies something much bigger, I think. SCAM implies that Narasimhamurthy took money from people stating that he would build a school with it, but then diverted the money for his personal expenses and NOT for building a school. I don't think Narasimhamurthy has been shown to be a BIG SCAMSTER by Loka Seva Trust court case.

But Sri. --name-snipped--, we can politely agree to disagree on this. I am not disturbed by you holding a view that BNNM is a BIG SCAMSTER. I hope you are not disturbed by my view that I have not seen evidence to judge BNNM as a BIG SCAMSTER. Thanks.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
--Name-snipped--, I find your tone to be very fundamentalist. You speak as if you know everything and seem to have presumed that I am your disciple who is eager to receive wisdom from you! I am NOT your disciple. Okay? You are entitled to have your views but if you want to impose your views on people then I am not comfortable with entertaining your comments on my post.

I have not said that the ends of social service to poor being done are justified by Asathya-Adharma means of Muddenahali group in terms of fund raising and spreading the false belief of Madhusudan Naidu as so called communicator. If that is your understanding of what I have written then I think you have some comprehension problem. Jai Sairam!

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
"Understanding that the world is energy may help you understand this fundamental truth." - is an example of where you got into your preacher role.

"I am sure that it is evident that what these MDH fraudsters are doing in the name of seva is heretic." - That smacks of fundamentalism to me. Note that you have not differentiated between leaders of MDH group like Madhusudan Naidu and Narasimhamurthy but seem to be talking about MDH group as a whole.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Well, you seem to be so sure that what you are saying is the "truth". Even sweeping statements condemning all of MDH group as heretics! Hmm. I hope you are not going to suggest burning at the stake, next.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
And you will never think that your "truth" may be flawed! Hmm. This is how fundamentalist preachers are - whether of Islam or Christianity or Hinduism. What I say is the truth - Nenu cheppedi vedamu! Scary!!!

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I find your kind of preaching to be something that I should stay away from. Thanks.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
You have voiced your ideas and I have given my opinion of your ideas. I think we should stop the convo here as I don't think it will help either of us if we continue this discussion. Thanks.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
Thank you so much for your kind co-operation sister --name-snipped--. I pray that Shiva Shakti Swarupa, Kali Yuga Avatar, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba showers/continues to shower His Grace on you. Jai Sairam!

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thank you sister.

Monday, June 19, 2017

Muddenahalli group DID mention name of Sathya Sai many times, in the Harvard event on 14th June 2017, and MISLED participants

Last updated on 20-Jun-2017

Terry Reis Kennedy's post, dated June 16th 2017, had earlier stated that Muddenahalli group DID NOT MENTION name of Sathya Sai at the Harvard campus non-academic event on June 14th. She has since changed the post contents to say that HUGE MENTION of the name of Sathya Sai was made by Muddenahalli group! A video was shown of both official Sathya Sai orgn. institutions as well as Muddenahalli group Sathya Sai institutions like Sanjeevani hospital(s) without explaining that they are different set of institutions managed by two distinctly different groups which do not see eye-to-eye, and are fighting a court case in India.

Now I had not noted the changes in the above mentioned post (of Terry). I came to know of it only a little while back through some other message from somebody else.

I came to know from this other source that the Muddenahalli group speakers at the event INCLUDING Prof. Anantaraman, former MBA faculty of Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning, gave the impression to the participants of the event that there was only one Sathya Sai orgn. and that they represent it. One participant, however, in the limited time given to that participant to ask a question, did inform the participants that the Muddenahalli group (Sanjeevani) hospitals are NOT part of (official) Sathya Sai orgn. hospitals, but that they are being portrayed that way (including at this event). They were also informed about Mr. B.N. Narasimhamurthy earlier claiming that Swami was coming into his dreams saying that certain persons were to donate money, and that (some) people believed him (implying that they donated money to him).

So Muddenahalli group speakers including Prof. Anantharaman SEEM TO NOT HAVE HAD THE COURTESY to inform the participants about the presence of a separate OFFICIAL Sai orgn. and trust which were set up by (physical form) Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, and that the official Sathya Sai orgn. does not have anything to do whatsoever with their (Muddenahalli group) organizations/trusts. If this is the case then I think it can be said that Muddenahalli group have MISLED participants at this non-academic event on Harvard campus (even if the event simply rented out a Harvard campus facility) to believe that Muddenahalli group is the official Sathya Sai orgn. group!

As far as I know, one saving grace is that Madhusudan Rao Naidu did not speak at the event claiming to be a communicator/medium of Sathya Sai. But it is confirmed that he did attend the event (but not as a speaker, it seems).

Hmm. So Muddenahalli group has IGNORED the legal notice Attorney Robert Baskin sent them. Perhaps they are daring him and the USA Sai orgn. he represents to challenge them (Muddenahalli group) for UNAUTHORISED USAGE of name of Sathya Sai in a USA court of law. Let us see whether Attorney Baskin does that.

Now the question that pops up for me is whether I should write a protest letter to senior academics of Harvard Divinity School. My initial thinking is that as Madhusudan Naidu, as per the available reports, did not do his communicator act by giving a speech (or Darshan) at this event held in Harvard campus, I don't think there is enough ground to write protest letters to academics of religion at Harvard Divinity School.

Given below are some of my comments from my Facebook post,, associated with this post:

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
--Name-snipped-- sir, I think this is where our views differ. And we can agree to disagree amicably. I am all for legal challenge being issued in USA court of law from official Sai orgn. to Muddenahalli group for UNAUTHORISED usage of HOLY NAME of Sathya Sai by so called communicator Madhusudan Rao Naidu for his Darshan, discourses and interviews.

I have a similar stand for India, and if I recall correctly, have publicly stated that stand on Facebook in 2015 itself!

Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
Terry Reis Kennedy, Thanks for your comment. Glad you liked my post. About understanding your earlier action (of deleting my comment as it had become 'obsolete') - well, I have a better understanding now of why you did that but I would have done it differently. However, we perhaps have different styles of interaction and further we are all under stress, whether we realize it or not, due to the unfortunate incident in PN some time back as well as Muddenahalli group brazenly continuing its marketing activities in the USA despite the legal notice issued to them by official Sai orgn. attorney. So I don't want to dwell on minor matters of different interaction styles :-).

I think it is appropriate for me to say some general stuff before I get to other points in your comment.

Terry, you and I have been fighting publicly on Facebook, our primary public network interaction platform with Sathya Sai fraternity at large, against Muddenahalli group's efforts to misguide thousands of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide with the false claim of Madhusudan Naidu, for over two years now. Perhaps in your case, it is more like three years but I started my involvement on this matter on Facebook sometime in March 2015, if I recall correctly. Our styles are different. There are areas where I am more tolerant of some aspects of Muddenahalli group than you. But I think there is no doubt that we both share a common goal as social media writers, of exposing the FALSE CLAIM of Madhusudan Rao Naidu of being a so called communicator of a so called subtle body of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba. We are both OUTRAGED at the dilution and distortion of the legacy and memories of our beloved and revered Gurudev, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, by Madhusudan Rao Naidu who is being promoted and supported by Muddenahalli group.

As part of this fight, both you and I have been viciously targeted (trolled) by some anonymous Muddenahalli group supporters on Facebook. But we did not let them silence us. So we have that in common too :-).

Surely, we will continue to co-operate in this fight against Muddenahalli FALSE BELIEF being spread worldwide. However, as my articulation of my nuanced stand against Muddenahalli group on your Facebook post created some unpleasant discussions with people who may perhaps be intolerant of those who hold such stands, I think I need a break from commenting on your posts for some time. Please do not be disturbed by that.

Regarding Madhusudan Rao Naidu ALLEGEDLY materializing a pendant for Kevin Sheehan and any other similar actions of Madhusudan Naidu with others: I need evidence that such incidents happened and that they happened on Harvard campus. That is vital. Without that evidence, I do not have a proper basis to write to senior academics of Harvard Divinity School, including Prof. Diana Eck whose scholarly knowledge of some aspects of Hinduism as well as of India, I have found to be amazing and wonderful.

Further, please note that the Professors of religion at Harvard Divinity School may view Sri Sathya Sai Baba as a spiritual master from India and not as an Avatar of God, not as Rama and Krishna come again as Shirdi Sai and then Sathya Sai. So "to let them know who Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba actually is" would not be an activity I would want to engage with them on my own initiative, unless they show particular interest in knowing my views about it.

What the professors may note with concern, if we provide appropriate evidence to back our statements, is Madhusudan Naidu IMPERSONATING ON HARVARD CAMPUS a recently passed away (physical form/body wise) spiritual master, Sathya Sai Baba, and using that IMPERSONATION to misguide USA citizen(s) on Harvard campus about him (Madhusudan) being a so called communicator of Sathya Sai Baba. And if they get concerned enough with the matter they may raise it to the executive head(s) of Harvard (I guess it is Harvard president who is the executive head here) who then may investigate the matter and take suitable action to prevent its recurrence.

Noted your comment about --name-snipped-- and her extensive work on this subject. Thanks.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
--Name-snipped-- sir, I do not know enough details of the USA legal situation vis-a-vis Muddenahalli group. But, in my view, official Sai orgn. has a duty to protect Swami's HOLY NAME from misuse/abuse by others including Madhusudan Rao Naidu. As Muddenahalli group is unwilling to listen to reason, it is appropriate to approach the court for this CIVIL matter (NOT CRIMINAL) and seek the court's valuable view. Jai Sairam!

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
--Name-snipped-- sir, there surely is a possibility that if the case does go to the courts in the USA (and elsewhere), the courts may rule that Muddenahalli group and Madhusudan Rao Naidu are free to claim their communicator act to be the truth. Note that this is different from the courts ruling that Madhusudan Rao Naidu's very weird claim is true - I doubt any court in any country in the world that has a decent legal system, would do that.

About leaving it to Swami to resolve in due course, I prefer to follow Bhagavan's instructions conveyed in public discourses, that his devotees should reject mediums. Note that Bhagavan has used some strong words in this context.

Muddenahalli group is not exactly promoting Swami's message but they are promoting a mixture of Swami's message and what the leaders of Muddenahalli group like Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan Naidu think. It is distortion of Swami's message to suit their thinking and their agenda.

I have previously suggested publicly that Madhusudan Naidu can propagate his messages as Madhu Sai Baba messages instead of Sathya Sai Baba messages, following spiritual leaders like Bala Sai Baba (of Kurnool, Andhra Pradesh) and Sanjay Sai Baba (of Nepal). Then this dilution and corruption of Sathya Sai messages will not be there.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Thank you --name-snipped-- sir. I would just say that I will NOT characterise my DIRECT KNOWLEDGE & EXPERIENCE of what happened in Prasanthi Nilayam systems after Mahasamadhi as "weight". It is DIRECT KNOWLEDGE & EXPERIENCE.

You, sir, do not have that knowledge and experience in this particular matter (but surely would have knowledge and experience in other areas). And so you have a significantly different viewpoint from that of mine on this matter. That's fine by me. We can agree to disagree.

When people like you, sir, ask me questions on the matter, I view it as my duty to Bhagavan and the Sathya Sai fraternity, in gratitude for all that I have received from them, to express my view on it, based on my DIRECT KNOWLEDGE & EXPERIENCE of what happened in Prasanthi Nilayam system after Mahasamadhi.

I do hope that you do not get too attracted to Madhusudan Rao Naidu as I have investigated the matter enough to ***KNOW*** that his claim of being a communicator of an invisible and inaudible to everybody else (for all practical purposes) of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, is a FALSE CLAIM. He is doing Asathya & Adharma. And if you get too attracted to him, you too might get involved in his Asathya & Adharma activities. I should also say that he does seem to have some paranormal powers which makes it easy for him to trap people to believe his false claim.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
--Name-snipped-- sir, I don't think I have much to add on the current topic. I have noted your above comments. I am glad to know that Madhusudan (claim) does not have much attraction for you.

MDH group service activities are quite astonishing. The question is whether they will be able to sustain such rapid growth. Time will tell the answer.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Yes, I prefer Madhu Baba over Madhu Sai Baba. But given that we already have Bala SAI Baba and Sanjay SAI Baba, I am willing to compromise and accept Madhu SAI Baba name for Madhusudan Naidu. BUT NOT SATHYA SAI BABA!!!

Saturday, June 17, 2017

Sathya Sai: Tolerance (Sahanamu) is the great treasure/noble quality of Bharatiyas (Indians)

I recall hearing one discourse of my beloved and revered Gurudev, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, live sitting in Sai Kulwanth Hall, where Bhagavan sang of Sahanamu - Tolerance. He sang about how great a quality it is that Bharatiyas (Indians) have (referring to tolerance). Prior to listening to that discourse, I was of the view that tolerance of Indians of injustice of various kinds, in general, was too much and so was a flaw.

Bhagavan praising the quality of tolerance so much on that day in a public discourse changed my view. I felt that I needed to make an effort to not only become more tolerant of others but also revere, I repeat, revere, tolerance as a sacred spiritual virtue.

I tried looking up discourses of Bhagavan on tolerance. Here's one of them:, 8th Mar. 2005 (Sivaratri evening discourse).

Given below is a short extract from it which is the English translation of the verse with which Bhagavan started the discourse:

In this supremely holy land of Bharat
Tolerance is the towering quality of our character;
Of all the religious vows, the foremost is Adherence
 to Truth, which is difficult to practise;
The sweetest and most respectable feeling in this land
 of Bharat is the feeling towards mother;
Consigning to flames the moral fabric of our country,
 which ordains self-respect as greater than one’s own life,
The dagger of unrestrained freedom has been given
 to people imitating the Western way of life; Alas!
 What can I say about the rulers of this land of Bharat?
Just as an elephant cannot realise its own strength
 So are the Bharatiyas today.

--- end extract ---

I listened to the beginning of the discourse by downloading the audio of the discourse from Radio Sai. Bhagavan sings the line related to tolerance as: "Sahanamannadi manaku chakka dhanamu". My barely-OK-Telugu translates that to 'Tolerance is our great treasure/wealth'. [I am not sure of the exact meaning of the Telugu word, 'Chakka'.]

I am quite sure but not entirely sure that it was this discourse and it were these two lines that Bhagavan sang at the beginning of the discourse, "In this supremely holy land of Bharat tolerance is our great treasure/wealth", that made a big impact on me.

Bhagavan had praised tolerance before truth! That was the value he gave to tolerance! I think I had noted this too then. All of this made me take a decision to try to cultivate more and more tolerance, viewing it as a sacred virtue and NOT AS A WEAKNESS. I think I have become more tolerant ('Jane do' in Hindi meaning 'let it go' attitude) than earlier in many aspects of life. Of course, there are things for which I have zero tolerance and even for other things, my tolerance has its limits.

Here is another 2000s discourse of Bhagavan,, given on 23rd Nov. 2008 (birthday discourse), where the text part of the discourse (after the initial verse sung by Bhagavan) starts with the sentences, "The country of Bharat (India) is most sacred. In this sacred land of Bharat, tolerance is the noble quality that we should cultivate."

So even in the 2000s, Bhagavan laid a lot of stress on cultivating tolerance as a noble/sacred quality, in his public discourses.

Overall, I think I have benefited significantly in terms of love, peace and joy in my life by increasing my tolerance levels and viewing it as a SACRED VIRTUE praised by Bhagavan and NOT as a weakness.

[I thank and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above extracts from their website on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

Young lady in USA is judged guilty in case somewhat similar to abetment of suicide

[Note: I have put this post up in my spiritual blog as, unfortunately, suicides do happen in ashram systems too.]

The New York Times Facebook video,, dated 17-Jun-2017 (by Indian Standard Time), around 1 min 45 secs, seems to capture the key part of the court judge's verdict in a case of involuntary manslaughter in the USA associated with a suicide. I think such a case in the Indian legal context would be viewed as abetment of suicide.

The lady, Michelle Carter, was charged with egging her boyfriend to commit suicide by Carbon Monoxide poisoning in a 'truck' through text messages and phone calls in 2014. ['Truck' in USA is also used to refer to pickups that have an open load bed that may be only slightly larger than normal cars, besides it ('truck') referring to the large load carrying vehicles that are referred to as lorry in India.] The case seems to have been tried in Taunton, Massachusetts, USA as per a text label on the video, and this judgement was read out on 16th June (2017). I have given below key words of the Judge as well as some other info. provided in the short video:

Judge: "... now finds you guilty on the indictment charging you with the involuntary manslaughter of the person Conrad Roy the third."

The video shows Michelle Carter's text message on the morning of Roy's suicide: "If you want it as bad as you say you do it's time to do it today".

Conrad Roy text message: "Yup. No more waiting."

Michelle Carter text message: "Okay. I'm serious. Like you can't even wait 'till tonight. You have to do it when you get back from your walk."

The video then states that the teenage couple both suffered from depression and Roy had prior suicide attempts.

It also gives the defense view that Michelle Carter tried to help Roy and that she told Roy that she loved him and that a lot of people loved him. The defense also put forward a view that Carter was taking antidepressents which led to her being involuntarily intoxicated.

It reported that the prosecution stand was that Carter used Roy's death to get attention from girls she admired.

It was a non-jury trial with the (single) judge handing down the verdict.

Judge: ".. Ms. Carter realizes that Mr. Roy has exited the truck. She instructs him to get back into the truck, which she has reason to know is or is becoming a toxic environment inconsistent with human life."

Carter is to be sentenced in August.
--- end video content captured in text ---

Here's the associated New York Times text article: dated 16th June 2017.

This text article gives more details. It states that Carter asked Roy to get back into the truck which Roy had filled with (Carbon Monoxide) fumes and that he had come out of. Later, the article states, she listened to him die without helping him.

The Judge's name is given as Lawrence Moniz, and the court is a Juvenile court in Bristol County. The article states that this case "had consumed New England, left two families destroyed and raised questions about the scope of legal responsibility". [New England refers to an area in the USA which includes the state of Massachusetts.]

The article states that the lady, Michelle Carter, faces upto 20 years in prison (for the crime of involuntary manslaughter).

It also states that some legal experts are stunned with the verdict as it says that mere words killed him. The defense team is expected to appeal the verdict.

The lady, Michelle Carter, was gasping and sobbing while hearing the verdict. Both the families also wept by the time the lady was asked to stand up and the judge pronounced her guilty.

Ravi: I think in India such a case would be viewed as abetment of suicide and perhaps a similar guilty verdict would have been given in an Indian court against the lady.

What damage such suicide causes! This damage is not only to the person who committed suicide but to the family members and friends of the person who committed suicide, and then if there is a criminal trial for abetment of suicide or equivalent, it extends that suffering to the family members and friends of those accused of abetment of suicide!

I pray to Almighty God to give strength, courage and peace to both the families  involved as well as friends involved, in this tragic case.

[I thank New York Times and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the text content of their above video on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever. Note that I have put up the text content of this video as it deals with a tragic matter of suicide and abetment of suicide which causes a lot of disturbance and sorrow to society. Such information being shared more widely may help in handling such situations better and perhaps preventing some such tragedies.]

Friday, June 16, 2017

My nuanced stand on Muddenahalli group

Last updated on 20-Jun-2017

Given below are the contents of my recent Facebook post,

I have expressed my nuanced stand about Muddenahalli group many times in my posts over the past slightly more than two years.

Today I had some discussion which has prompted me to repeat my nuanced stand.

I have publicly praised Muddenahalli group's social service activities (health related as well as education related) in the past. I continue to be appreciative of these services of theirs. I wish them all the very best in these social service activities, especially medical services offered free to the poor and needy.

But with Madhusudan Rao Naidu (and Sri Narasimhamurthy with his dream instructions earlier) my problem is that they are GOING AGAINST the teachings of Sathya Sai with their dream instructions claims and communicator claims, and misguiding  so many Sathya Sai devotees all over the world that they are passing on the instructions of Sathya Sai!!! Madhusudan Naidu is diluting and distorting the legacy and memories of Sathya Sai and I condemn that unequivocally.

So I appreciate their medical and educational service work but condemn their promotion/endorsement of FALSE CLAIM of Madhusudan Rao Naidu of being a so called communicator of so called subtle body of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

I understand that some readers/Facebook friends & followers may disagree with this stand and that they dislike both the FALSE CLAIM of Madhusudan Naidu as well as the medical and educational service work of Muddenahalli group. I am tolerant of their disagreement with my stand but I expect them to be similarly tolerant of my view. I mean, we can agree to disagree without trying to impose our view on each other.

I would further like to state that I DO NOT BELIEVE that Muddenahalli group is a devilish group. But I should also say here that I am not an expert on devilish stuff. Neither do I hate them. I consider them to be misguided Sathya Sai brother and sister devotees who have got caught up in the FALSE BELIEF of Madhusudan Naidu being a communicator/medium of Bhagavan.

I do not want to engage in comment discussions on this post as I found today's discussion on this topic that I had with some persons to be disturbing. The reason that I am putting up this post is that if some Facebook friends and followers are very uncomfortable with this nuanced stand of mine wrt Muddenahalli group and want to unfollow and/or unfriend me, they can do so. Thanks.

Given below are my comments on that post:

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Please note that I will be deleting comments that are put on this post. I do not want to discuss the contents of this post now. I could not figure out a way to disable comments for this post.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
To the guy who got disgusted with my stand. Good riddance that you are not my Facebook friend anymore.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I have deleted others' comments on this post as I do not want to increase the anger/disturbance caused by my stand through comment exchanges.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
My number of Facebook friends has come down from 399 to 397 so far due to me taking this stand. One person unfriended me and I unfriended one person as I felt that the comment interactions I had with the person on this stand of mine was very unpleasant. Followers have not reduced. I think it is better that those who feel strongly on this matter (e.g. like the guy who got disgusted by my stand) unfriend me. In fact, I request them to unfriend me and even block me if needed (that's what the disgusted guy said he did).

I can't stand intolerant people. I get disgusted by them! So it is best that when there are such strong negative feelings between some of us due to our different stands on Muddenahalli group that we simply don't interact with each other.