Sunday, April 17, 2016

Saying everything is Sai's will is an easy way to escape from doing one's bit to resist Asathya and Adharma; Allegations with evidence

Last updated on 18th April 2016

Given below are my comments on Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/terry.reiskennedy/posts/10209419384420359. This post deals with an extract of a discourse of Bhagavan about good people who associate with the wicked and do not oppose them, sharing the responsibility for the deeds of the evil doers.

Ravi S. Iyer wrote (on April 17th 2016):
Saying that it is all Sai's will or Sai leela, is an easy way of escaping responsibility to do one's bit to at least resist Asathya & Adharma. But I don't think that is good character. On the other hand, one should not go to the other extreme making allegations WITHOUT EVIDENCE or WITHOUT DIRECT EXPERIENCE. That only creates a vicious tabloid like atmosphere which is not helpful.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
[Response to inner-level comment above, at outer-level for more visibility.] Oh! --name-snipped--, my words DIRECT EXPERIENCE seem to have got interpreted in the context of Muddenahalli so called communicator claims! No, I did not mean that when I used the term DIRECT EXPERIENCE. What I meant instead was personal eyewitness reports of any wrong activity about which one is willing to make a public statement under one's own name (and so can be held accountable for it in a court of law).

And what I had written was "making allegations WITHOUT EVIDENCE or WITHOUT DIRECT EXPERIENCE." The key word here is "or". Video or audio evidence is accepted even in an Indian court of law. A short extract from http://www.legalservicesindia.com/articles/trc1.htm:
The phenomenon of tendering tape recorded conversation before law courts as evidence, particularly in cases arising under the Prevention of Corruption Act, where such conversation is recorded by sending the complainant with a recording device to the person demanding or offering bribe has almost become a common practice now. In civil cases also parties may rely upon tape records of relevant conversation to support their version.
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Ravi: What we have also seen in some famous recent court cases in India is that sometimes the authenticity of the video/audio evidence is challenged. In such cases we have seen that forensic analysis is done by govt. of India forensic labs dealing with such matters, and their opinion regarding authenticity of the video/audio evidence is given a lot of weight.

In the case of Muddenahalli FALSE BELIEF, the video evidence from videos put up on Muddenahalli group's own youtube channel(s), is, in my view, clearly evidence that can hold up in an Indian court of law. And, to the credit of Muddenahalli group, they have not denied such evidence (e.g. Kali Yuga ending in Oct. 2015 statement of Madhusudan Rao Naidu).

What I was referring to in my previous comment were allegations of somebody bribing judges, or somebody taking/demanding bribes, or somebody taking away some valuables, being made on social media and over email, without any evidence and without any named and acknowledged/certified eyewitness accounts. Such stuff as I wrote in the earlier comment, ".. only creates a vicious tabloid like atmosphere which is not helpful."
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I should also add that written documents are, I am quite sure, acceptable as evidence in Indian court of law. This is how it has been perhaps from the beginning of Indian courts of law from British rule days. So any text document or book published by Muddenahalli group (e.g. "discourses" of Madhusudan Rao Naidu, in his role of so called communicator of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba) will surely be admitted as evidence in an Indian court of law (civil case or criminal case).
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
My view is that essentially Muddenahalli group is an alternative Sai platform. That I think was inevitable given how divinely powerful the Avatar Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba was. I mean, people like Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy, Shri Indulal Shah and Shri C. Srinivas are very capable people in the area of running Sai missions/activities on a fairly large scale. They broke off from Central Trust and formed their own trusts [Note that C. Srinivas has a different trust from that of Narasimhamurthy.]

So far so good. The tragedy in this alternative platform is that these well-known leaders of the pre-Mahasamadhi Sathya Sai mission, got caught up in some paranormal powers (siddhis) that Madhusudan Rao Naidu seems to have acquired, and endorsed his claims of being a so called communicator of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, even though Bhagavan has said so many times that he never speaks through somebody else!!!

Looking at them and going by accounts given by people like brother VijaySai B.S., so many Sai devotees have got misled into believing Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claims to be true!!! That has been a BIG BLUNDER by these leaders. The earlier they realize it and discard Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claims, the better it will be for them individually, and for the Sai devotees who follow these leaders. They can continue to have an alternative Sai platform but WITHOUT Madhusudan Rao Naidu. Madhusudan Rao Naidu could start a separate group UNDER HIS OWN NAME instead of MISUSING the holy name of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba and MISGUIDING so many Sai devotees who have got caught up in his claims.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I recall that when I first read Swami saying that the name is more powerful than the form, I was quite confused. Over time, I realized that the name is so easy to bring to mind, and also how the very mention of holy names can have a positive/divine impact in a gathering/group. So my view is that Madhusudan Rao Naidu would have some challenges if he goes by the name, say Madhu Sai Baba. But one should not forget that Bala Sai Baba of Kurnool has quite a significant following. I was told by a Puttaparthi local who is a former journalist for Telugu print media (Kurnool is also in Rayalaseema in Andhra Pradesh) that Bala Sai Baba has a mission that's worth hundreds of crores (words to that effect). So I think a Madhu Sai Baba would also be able to attract devotees and have a significant mission over time.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I should add that I was told by a person who has visited Bala Sai Baba's ashram that Bala Sai Baba's mission is on similar lines of Sathya Sai mission. Even the bhajan songs that are sung there are similar with the word Bala getting added here and there.
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[I thank legalservicesindia.com and brother Sasikanth Gudla and have presumed that they will not have any objections to me sharing the above short extracts from their website/Facebook comment on this post which is freely viewable by all, and does not have any financial profit motive whatsoever.]

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