Muddenahalli group elders and alumni leaders should study Sathya Sai Feb. 2009 discourses clearly stating that his form will disappear after giving up his body like Rama & Krishna; Subtle body claim is therefore FALSE!

Last updated on 23rd April 2020

23rd April 2020 Update: I had an inner urge to name-snip the names of some person(s) in this post and so have done so.

Given below are extracts from two discourses of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba in February 2009. My attention was drawn to them after the discourses and most, if not all, of the extracts given below, were referenced recently on Facebook by some Sathya Sai devotee(s).

From Sathya Sai discourse, 21st Feb. 2009, http://sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume42/sss42-04.pdf :

The Atma Principle, or divine consciousness, permeates the entire universe. Not a blade of grass can move without this divine consciousness. Everything in this universe is the reflection of that Atma Principle or divine consciousness. The same Atma Principle dwells in all human beings regardless of religion, caste, creed, and nationality. This is true even in the case of Avatars.

The Avatars of Rama, Krishna, etc. may be different in names and forms; but the Atma Principle in them is only one. They all lived in their human vestures till the completion of their Avataric mission, and once their task was completed, they disappeared. Hence, the physical bodies are not permanent. In fact, nothing in this ephemeral world is permanent, not even the great Avatars. Atma is the only entity that is eternal. It is beyond birth and death. It is changeless. There is a beginning and end for everything else in this universe, except Atma. Hence, one has to develop firm faith in this Atma Principle.

--- end extract from 21st Feb. 2009 discourse ---

From Sathya Sai discourse, 23rd Feb. 2009 (Shivarathri), http://sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume42/sss42-05.pdf :

When the formless God assumes a form, it is natural for human beings to meditate and worship that form. People derive great satisfaction and experience bliss by doing so. It is alright as long as that form remains. Once that divine form ceases to exist, what will you do? The happiness and bliss derived from the worship of a particular form of God are born only out of your illusion.

The physical vestures last for a particular period and then cease to exist. Divinity takes different forms later. For example, you are now attached to this physical body. You worship this body and derive great satisfaction and bliss thereby. But, after sometime, this body may disappear like the earlier Avatars. Then you should not feel sad. When the divine Atma embodied in this physical body reaches its eternal abode, it is a matter of joy, not sorrow. In the Thretha Yuga, the Rama Avatar came. He went into exile in the forest and destroyed several demons, including the great demon king, Ravana. Finally, having fulfilled His Avataric mission, He went into the Sarayu river and disappeared. The same is the case in the Dwapara Yuga with Lord Krishna, who left His mortal coil after having been hit by the arrow of a hunter in the forest. Thus, the physical vestures are always temporary and untrue.
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Hence, never consider the physical body as permanent. The bodies appear according to the time and circumstances. Once the prescribed time is over, they just disappear. Even the experiences gained by the physical body vanish. Considering the physical bodies as true, if you wish to have the vision (darshan) of Lord Krishna of Dwapara Yuga now, how is it possible? As long as He walked in that body, He appeared in Mathura, Brindavan, Gokul, Dwaraka, etc., and made people happy with His sight, touch, and conversation (darshan, sparshan, and sambhashan).

Take the example of an electric bulb. Each bulb has separate wattage, which remains for a limited period of time. The Avatars are also like these electric bulbs. Over a period, God has incarnated as several Avatars. You should not be attached to the physical form of a particular Avatar; rather you should be attached to Divinity as the formless, attributeless Supreme Self (Parabrahma), which manifested as different Avatars in different ages.

You were born as a child and grew up as a boy, youth, and an elderly person. All these different stages in life are for a limited period only, but you, the individual, are there in all the different stages. Avatars come, fulfil their mission, and disappear. Therefore, you must meditate upon Divinity, which is true and eternal.
--- end extracts from 23rd Feb. 2009 discourse ---

Ravi: The above extracts are from two discourses given by Bhagavan slightly over 2 years before he gave up his body (Mahasamadhi) in April 2011. In hindsight now, it is so clear that Bhagavan was preparing his devotees to deal with the Mahasamadhi in around two years time.

What is vital to note here is that Bhagavan clearly indicates that Avatars simply disappear after they give up the physical form. He takes the example of Rama and Krishna disappearing after they gave up the physical form.

Now if Bhagavan wanted to tell his dear devotees that he is going to take up a subtle body which will communicate through a chosen communicator, Madhusudan Rao Naidu, OR that he will give instructions for all Sathya Sai devotees through dreams to Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy (very different from Swami instructions given in dream for that person (dreamer) alone), surely Bhagavan would have given some big indication of that here. Instead what does Bhagavan say, "For example, you are now attached to this physical body. You worship this body and derive great satisfaction and bliss thereby. But, after sometime, this body may disappear like the earlier Avatars. Then you should not feel sad. When the divine Atma embodied in this physical body reaches its eternal abode, it is a matter of joy, not sorrow."

Nothing whatsoever about any sukshma swarupa/subtle body/light body being around after Mahasamadhi!

I think the elders who are with Muddenahalli group including Shri Indulal Shah (through his daughter & son-in-law), Shri Narayan Rao and Prof. --Name1-snipped-- (ex vice-chancellor of Sai university) as well as Sai university alumni leaders like brother Vijay Sai B.S. MUST STUDY these discourses very carefully. Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan Rao Naidu's claims GO COMPLETELY AGAINST these clear words of Bhagavan uttered PUBLICLY just slightly over two years before Mahasamadhi!

I also suggest to the brother of Madhusudan Rao Naidu, Dr. Hanumantha Rao Naidu (Hanu), who is my former student and former junior faculty colleague of Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science, Prasanthi Nilayam campus, Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (Sai university), to study these discourses of Bhagavan.

Hanu - you were in form with Swami perhaps around this time (Feb. 2009). Come on! You have to do your duty to Swami! How can you stay silent when Bhagavan has clearly stated in Feb. 2009 that his form will just disappear after giving up his body, like Rama and Krishna did!

Hanu - I think your elder brother, Madhusudan Naidu, is labouring under some delusion. Some spirit seems to be interacting with him and telling him some PRIVATE knowledge about people. Perhaps the spirit is also wanting to serve humanity. But the spirit is NOT Sathya Sai!!! Can't you see this!!! Come on!!!

My sincere advice to you, brother Hanu, is to follow what Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba has taught and instructed us in his discourses in physical form, in this very important matter. Do not participate in or promote these actions of your brother, Madhusudan Naidu, as he is going against the teachings of Sathya Sai!!!

I must also say to the above-mentioned elders that it is their DUTY to Sathya Sai to take a PRINCIPLED STAND on this matter. What doubt can they have that Madhusudan Naidu is NOT conveying the words of Sathya Sai, after they read the above 2009 discourse extracts of Bhagavan!!! Is it not THEIR DUTY TO BHAGAVAN to now DISASSOCIATE from Madhusudan Naidu as well as Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy as their claims of dream-instructions and communications from so-called subtle body of Bhagavan IS COMPLETELY OPPOSITE TO/AGAINST what Bhagavan HIMSELF in PHYSICAL FORM told us in 2009 about his form just disappearing after giving up the body, like Rama and Krishna forms did?? Of course, it is their duty. And if they fail in their duty as elders they will have to BEAR THE KARMIC CONSEQUENCES of directly aiding Madhusudan Naidu and Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy in MISGUIDING thousands of Sathya Sai devotees around the world. [Update: I am sorry if the words of the previous sentence hurt some readers, especially elders. I seek their forgiveness for the hurt I caused. But I felt a deep urge to write those words and so had to write them. These words are my considered view of the matter. Others may have a different view of the matter and may dismiss my view. That is their choice. My duty ends at providing my considered view of the matter. end-Update]

So I request elders of Muddenahalli group to DISASSOCIATE from Madhusudan Rao Naidu and Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy. The elders should not have any concerns of what will happen to them if they do that. Surely, Bhagavan will provide them suitable means of contributing to the Sathya Sai community/fraternity work in some appropriate ways. To whatever small extent I can, in my capacity as a social media writer, I will surely help such elders of Muddenahalli group to get settled in new roles in Sathya Sai movement OUTSIDE the influence/orbit of Madhusudan Naidu and Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy.
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Given below are comment exchanges from my Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1886828514867050, associated with this blog post. Note that Vivek C. was OK with sharing his comments.

Vivek C. wrote:
Raviji - if we are going to take Swami's words literally, then we have to also accept that in 2005 and 2007 he announced his world tour. I saw a video of Him telling devotees He was coming to Canada "very soon". The story in the thapovanam mentioned that after a period of illness, He would 'take to the skies'.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
Vivek C. brother, my considered view is that on serious spiritual matters in PUBLIC DISCOURSES, especially on Festival days when there would be many people in the gathering in front of him, Bhagavan's words are DIVINE REVELATIONS and DIVINE INSTRUCTIONS and DIVINE TEACHINGS. Bhagavan would speak as the Dharma Adhikaari (Ethical living law giver), as the Avatar, and not make pulling-one's-leg jokes like he would when he is interacting privately with devotees.

In Feb. 2009, Bhagavan speaking in PUBLIC DISCOURSE on these matters of his (form) passing away (which I think he would have known is just around two years in the future) is something that Bhagavan, the spiritual teacher, would have ensured, is communicated without confusion. So, from my point of view, my beloved and revered spiritual teacher has completely removed any possibility of any confusion that he said that once he gives up the body, his Sathya Sai form would DISAPPEAR, like the forms of great Avatars Rama and Krishna disappeared once they gave up their body. No sukshma swarupa, no subtle body & no light body!

Regarding the examples you have given, even if some of them were given in PUBLIC DISCOURSES, I don't think they deal with vital spiritual matters like what happens when an Avatar gives up his body, and so there seem to be some inconsistencies. I don't recall one such inconsistency in Bhagavan's teaching about the Divine Atma being changeless. In whatever I have read of Sathya Sai and what I have heard him LIVE say in discourses, he has always, always said that the Divine Atma is changeless and that the material world (including your body-mind form, my body-mind form, and even Sathya Sai form) is ILLUSION. Really! I don't recall reading Sathya Sai saying that his Sathya Sai form is eternal and unchanging!

Now brother Vivek C., I would like to ask you how you interpret the above mentioned Feb. 2009 discourses of Bhagavan. Do you think these discourses can be interpreted as Bhagavan saying that he will give dream-instructions for Sathya Sai fraternity to Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy after Mahasamadhi and that he will communicate with Sathya Sai fraternity after Mahasamadhi through so-called communicator, Madhusudan Rao Naidu?
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Vivek C. wrote:
Brother you just ignored my point about swami talking about His world tour. Why did He say that in a PUBLIC discourse? Did He not know what was going to happen? If so, then nothing in His discourses can be taken seriously! But he is parabhraman. His name is SATHYA sai baba. Everything He utters is truth... including the world tour.. including working until the age of 96... including the promises he made to so
Many individuals, which are being fulfilled now.

With all honesty, the previous avatars never said "love my uncertainty". We are and and have been at the midst of one of the most powerful avatar. Previous avatars didn't come as a triplet of 3 separate (seemingly unconnected) missions. The problems come when we take Swami's discourses literally, instead of following His nine-point code. He is krishna. His ways are unknown and cannot be comprehended.

"LOVE MY UNCERTAINTY"
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
Vivek C. brother, I did not ignore your point about world tour. It is included in my sentence, "Regarding the examples you have given, even if some of them were given in PUBLIC DISCOURSES, I don't think they deal with vital spiritual matters like what happens when an Avatar gives up his body, and so there seem to be some inconsistencies."

You have not directly answered my question to you, "I would like to ask you how you interpret the above mentioned Feb. 2009 discourses of Bhagavan. Do you think these discourses can be interpreted as Bhagavan saying that he will give dream-instructions for Sathya Sai fraternity to Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy after Mahasamadhi and that he will communicate with Sathya Sai fraternity after Mahasamadhi through so-called communicator, Madhusudan Rao Naidu?"

Perhaps your view is that "LOVE MY UNCERTAINTY" is your answer to the above question. You have interpreted that to be a sort-of blanket statement which can be used to dispute any previous statements/teachings of physical form Sathya Sai. Perhaps if Madhusudan Naidu starts saying that Atma changes over time (thereby contradicting Bhagavan's key teaching that Atma is changeless), you may agree with Madhusudan Naidu and take it as divine words of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba in so called subtle form.

For me, it is not only Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's (physical form) teachings and instructions, but also the teachings & instructions of previous great Avatars like Rama and Krishna, as well as the core Hindu philosophy enshrined in the Prasthana Trayee - the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita and the Brahma Sutra, that are the bedrock of my belief in God. I have found that Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's core teachings & instructions are in line with that of Rama and Krishna, and in line with the Prasthana Trayee. That, and some personal paranormal/miraculous experiences I have had with (physical form) Sathya Sai, led to me developing strong faith that (physical form) Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba is Kali Yuga Avatar.

I find it very hard to accept your "LOVE MY UNCERTAINTY" blanket philosophy interpretation which can be used to justify anything and everything that any medium/communicator can do, claiming that Sathya Sai is speaking through and acting through him/her (e.g. Lingodbhavam). But you are entitled to your beliefs, brother Vivek C. All the best! Jai Sairam!
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Vivek C. wrote:
Same to you brother, with all due love and respect ❤. Ultimately experience is what confirms belief. The argument of the 'medium' issue comes because of body attachment. The truth is, Parabrhma had used a particularly body as a medium for 85 years. We called that body Sathya sai... and confined the formless to that only. If some people believe the same parabrhma is using another body as part of the phenomenon then what can we do? (In all honesty, I have known about what would happen in MDH since 1990). But time will tell the world what is right and what isn't. For now, follow your individual conscience (which I know you do, you're a gem of a man) and allow the divine drama to unfold.❤
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited):
Vivek C. brother, Thank you for your loving and very politely worded response. I am not yet into that class of very loving and very polite comments (on social media and elsewhere).
You write, "If some people believe the same parabrhma is using another body as part of the phenomenon then what can we do?" .. " But time will tell the world what is right and what isn't."

Well, you see I prayed to Bhagavan to be given a chance to serve Him in his physical form mission in Prasanthi Nilayam in end 2002. He tested me by ignoring me and my letter during Darshan over many days (I used to go from Darshan token lines). Finally, after I had intensely prayed to him one night, the next day he went out of his way to come towards me right from about a distance of around ten feet as I was seated on third row at the L shaped turning in his Darshan round, and took the letter that I was offering him! That was how he indicated to me that he accepted my prayer for service in His mission at Prasanthi Nilayam. A month or two later I was formally inducted into the Department of Mathematics & Computer Science, Sai university, as (free service) "Honorary Staff" (informal designation, "Systems Manager") with a multiple workload of Systems Management, teaching software lab. courses and being a tech. consultant to software project work of students. I served (free service) in this department, from Jan. 2003 to March 2012.

I sought spiritual guidance from Bhagavan and he showered that on me though his discourses heard LIVE in Sai Kulwant Hall, His darshan looks and gesture interactions and one very short spoken interaction with me, as well as indirectly through Sai university and other Prasanthi Nilayam community quite freely sharing their experiences with Sathya Sai, with me. Till Mahasamadhi, He gave me far more spiritual guidance than I had thought that I would ever get. I am very deeply grateful to Bhagavan for that - I repeat, very deeply grateful.

Now I cannot take a view that if thousands of Sathya Sai devotees, including former students of mine, get misguided by Narasimhamurthy & Madhusudan Naidu, I should say, "what can I do?" and leave it to Father Time to sort things out. My very deep gratitude to Bhagavan forces me to do what I see as my duty to Bhagavan as well as the Sathya Sai fraternity from whom I have gained so much, to share my view based on Bhagavan's discourses and other utterances, that the claims of Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan Naidu are FALSE and go against the teachings and utterances of Sathya Sai. Note that several Sathya Sai devotees who were confused by Madhusudan Naidu's claims, both Indian including some Sai university alumni, and international, have thanked me for my writings which helped them understand that Madhusudan Naidu and Narasimhamurthy's claims are FALSE.

Parabrahman may be using the body of Madhusudan Naidu (and Narasimhamurthy via dream instructions) as instruments/vehicles for Parabrahman's work. But it is NOT "part of the phenomenon" (Sathya Sai phenomenon). It is a DIFFERENT phenomenon, which I call Madhu Baba.

Now my duty to Bhagavan and Sathya Sai fraternity STOPS at me sharing my views on the matter. I DO NOT IMPOSE it on others. But I have publicly professed my view that Madhu Baba should be challenged in Indian court of law and restrained from UNAUTHORISEDLY using the name of Sathya Sai Baba for Madhu Baba's darshan, sparshan and sambhashan, and now vibhuti materialization and Lingodbhavam, thereby misguiding thousands of Sathya Sai devotees, both Indian and international, using the HOLY NAME of Sathya Sai. That would be a CIVIL SUIT (NOT CRIMINAL) and allow the Indian court of law to decide the matter of whether Madhu Baba can use the HOLY NAME of Sathya Sai in the manner in which he is freely doing now. My view is that the Indian court of law would direct Madhu Baba to use his own name rather than the name of Sathya Sai.

You also write, "(In all honesty, I have known about what would happen in MDH since 1990)." Brother, you seem to have some psychic or intuitive powers. Prior to Mahasamadhi, even in my wildest dreams, I did not imagine the HUGE DIVISION that Muddenahalli group created in Prasanthi Nilayam, including the Sai university, from around Jul 2011 to mid 2016 (an around 5 year period), after which things seem to have settled down to some extent in Prasanthi Nilayam. It has been one of the most challenging periods of my life to see this DIVISION churn, especially in the period Jul 2011 to June 2012 as I directly saw and experienced the horrific churn in Sai university caused by Narasimhamurthy's dream instruction claims and the then vice-chancellor --Name1-snipped-- believing them but veteran faculty like Prof. Anilkumar Kamaraju completely rejecting Narasimhamurthy's claim, and being forced to resign from the Sai university. Note that Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust (SSSCT) which meets all expenses of the Sai university, also opposed Narasimhamurthy's claim but vice-chancellor --Name1-snipped-- ignored and opposed them!!! But, due to some constraints perhaps, SSSCT was not able to remove --Name1-snipped-- from vice-chancellor position (he stepped down in Nov. 2014). Horrific trauma, confusion and chaos!!!

Finally, about your kind words about me (gem ..), I honestly say that I have my fair share of human flaws. I try to follow teachings & instructions of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba but do not always succeed. However, I think I have a good grasp of what Bhagavan's teachings are, and a decent grasp of Hindu history/accounts of Avatars as well as Hindu core philosophy. I try to do my little bit for society by sharing what I know of such stuff, even though I am not perfect in following the teachings of the Avatars & Hindu philosophy. Jai Sairam!
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Vivek C. wrote:
Bhai - in response to my knowledge about MDH; I will explain. I am not psychic!! I wish I was, but no!

A dear aunt (very well connected to Prashanti, did a lot of service) came to stay with us for some time in 1990s. She told us that when bhagavan retires, he will stay in MDH. I thought it was ridiculous as (I was a child back then) I remember thinking "how the hell can GOD retire". She told us that Baba had told some close students that towards the end of His life, none of them would be near him.. and that He would be staying in a place, high up, surrounded by mountains. We visited MDH in 2006, on her insistence, but it was a school/hostel then. Rumours about Baba travelling in his light body were circulating as early as 2008 when someone mentioned it on a visit to parthi. My father (who is naturally aggressive) shut this lady up and told her it was impossible. Anyway, my aunt is in her 90s now and has a small place about 20 mins away from MDH. I myself have not yet been. I was strongly skeptical until my last visit to parthi in 2015, during the early hours I heard Swami (i was semi/partially asleep) telling me to come to MDH too. I still didn't go as I thought I was imagining it. When the MDH team visited london, I visited and felt bhagavans presence. I smelt him when no one else could. Before this, as the car pulled up, I saw Him for a split second (you can argue that it was mind's play, but I honestly was only looking for Isaac tigrett due to being a bit of a 'fan' if his). Some weeks after a naadi reader who had no knowledge of my visit randomly told me that Sathya Sai Baba is accessible to me in his sukshma roopa. He himself was confused by this as he is not a devotee himself.

The problem of belief is repeating itself - when Baba was in his physical form, non believers NEVER one asked any of us why our belief in His divinity was rock solid. When we were asked, reasons for our beliefs we're dismissed as impossible, or coincidental. To be honest, we never bothered retaliating or justifying as we were too busy soaking up the bliss, beauty and blessings! The same is happening now.

God is not just generator, operater and destroyer only. He is deluder and liberator. What you believe is also His will only that's why I have no problem with people who believe or refuse to do so, as long as His work continues.

Sai Ram
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Vivek C. brother, Very interesting comment. Thanks for sharing it on my Facebook post.

Regarding your aunt's comment: It is her experience. Prasanthi Nilayam is full of people with many divine experiences. So I respect your aunt's experience as her individual experience.

But I have to go by public statements of Bhagavan about this matter.

About Swami telling you to come to MDH in 2015 when you were in Prasanthi Nilayam: Once again this is your personal experience and I respect it.

About feeling Bhagavan's presence and seeing him for a split-second in MDH group visit to London: Your personal experience. I respect it.

Note that I do not say that Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's formless essence is NOT in Muddenahalli. That essence is everywhere. Feeling Bhagavan in Muddenahalli and in London during Muddenahalli group visit seems to me to be similar to experiences many Sathya Sai devotees have had, after Mahasamadhi, related to experiencing Bhagavan in their samithis/Sai centers, in Prasanthi Nilayam etc. Yad Bhavam Tad Bhavati is an important Hindu philosophy teaching which was emphasized by Bhagavan. Those who pray intensely to God get rewarded by some vision/feeling of the form they were praying to! The formless essence of the universe (Atma/Paramatma) takes on the form that the earnest devotee is praying for!

The Naadi reader comment about Sukshma roopa is intriguing. But Naadi readings are accurate at times and wrong at times - I say this from my personal experience.

Yes, we did not bother about those who questioned our faith in Sathya Sai when he was in physical form. We just focused on enjoying him as that was his instruction to us too (to ignore those who question our faith in Sathya Sai).

But can we do the same for Madhusudan Naidu's (Madhu Baba's) claim? You see, his statements are diluting and corrupting the teachings of Sathya Sai. As an example, for a person like me who reveres Hindu scripture, Madhu Baba declaring (in Oct. 2015, if I recall correctly), that Kali Yuga is ending the next day, is a major, major issue. I mean, according to Madhu Baba we live in Sathya Yuga now. But Sathya Sai told Hislop in 1968 that Kali Yuga will continue for 5,320 years more (see https://ravisiyer.blogspot.com/2015/11/in-hislop-book-sathya-sai-says-in-1968.html). And most Hindu spiritual and religious heads believe that Kali Yuga has thousands of years more to go before it ends!

Now if Madhu Baba said that we live in Sathya Yuga, as Madhu Baba but not as Sri Sathya Sai Baba, then I don't have a big issue. I will just ignore Madhu Baba. But Madhu Baba said it using the name of Sri Sathya Sai Baba, and so some people around the world think that Sathya Sai has said that Kali Yuga has ended and that Sathya Yuga has started! I don't exaggerate. I recall seeing a Facebook post about it by a foreign lady at that time. I got bugged by it, said something elsewhere but mentioning the FB post and what her profile described her as. This lady was informed about my comment and got bugged with me in return. I think I had to beat a hasty retreat then as I had gone overboard by referring to her profile.

I consider it my duty to Sathya Sai to refute these statements of Madhu Baba using the name of Sathya Sai, by making appropriate posts on the Internet. I cannot simply watch Madhu Baba distort the legacy of Sathya Sai without doing anything to oppose that distortion. Of course, I keep such actions of mine opposing Madhu Baba's distortions of Sathya Sai legacy, well within the law of the land. Thanks. Jai Sairam!
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Vivek C. wrote:
It would be foolish and stupid of me to automatically assume that everyone would follow what I follow, having been a skeptic myself. Therefore I applaud your tenacity and devotion to your cause (which I believe is also Swami's will).

To throw some further discussion into the mix (as we are on the subject of public discourses), can I ask how you have dealt with Swami's own public discourses like when he said Moses always thought about Jesus all the time (when actually Moses came before Jesus) or when he contracts himself... e.g. One one occasion saying that the 3 wise men who came to see Jesus were Shepards and some years later swami refers to them as Kings. These are just a few examples.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Yes, I have found some inconsistencies in Bhagavan's public discourses related to Jesus. I don't want to venture into trying to explain those inconsistencies.

But, on Hindu dharma, Advaita, Law of Karma, Veda (Karma Kanda), Puranas and on the life of Rama & Krishna, I have found Bhagavan to be largely consistent. As these have been my core spiritual interests, I have chosen to focus on Bhagavan's public utterances and writings on these, rather than on his utterances on other religions and other religious founders like Jesus Christ or Prophet Mohammad, or even Buddha or Mahavira (ancient Indians).
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