Miscellaneous comments of (mainly) mine on Facebook in May 2017

Last updated on 22-Apr-2020

22nd April 2020 Update: I had an inner urge to name-snip the names of some person(s) in this post and so have done so.

Given below are slightly edited comments (mostly mine) from Facebook post-comment branch https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/1902673919949176?comment_id=1906347692915132, dated May 12th 2017:

Ravi S. Iyer wrote: --Name-snipped--, Sairam! I believe you are from Australia. Yes, there is unfortunately a lot of division among Australian Sai devotees over Muddenahalli claims.

However, Australian Sai orgn. people have openly countered the claims of Muddenahalli group and stated that Madhusudan Naidu's claims are false.

It is a deeply emotional issue for many people. Prasanthi Nilayam ashram itself was terribly divided over the matter for nearly five years from Jul 2011 to mid 2016. Such is life!
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--Name-snipped-- wrote:
Thank you,, Sai Ram.  It is deeply upsetting to me,as my very good friend Is so involved,,,it is affecting our friendship,,, she is very gullible ,,,and easily take. Advantage of ,,,
I was shocked when she took.me one day to the home in Murwillumbah, Which is described as Swami,s house, it has a bedroom there for Swami ( Mahdu). ,,,the speaker on that day was from ? Asia somewhere ,,I forget ,, he was asking the devotees if they would like to donate money for a hospital in Raipur ,,,,and if they maybe could mortgage their Homes to raise the.money !!! !!!!! I was shocked at that suggestion ,,,,
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
My God! I have heard second hand accounts of such open donation requests that Muddenhalli group makes. But you seem to say that you yourself heard a Muddenhalli group speaker in a visit to Australia, ask devotees, "if they would like to donate money for a hospital in Raipur ,,,,and if they maybe could mortgage their Homes to raise the.money"!!! Did I understand that correctly --Name-snipped--???

Of course, as far as I know, the REAL Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba never made such requests for money and never asked people to mortgage their homes for such money. Very sorry to know that a good friend of yours has got caught up in Muddenahalli group. We know what you are going through as we went through that too. One feels rather helpless as one cannot stop the other person from getting trapped by Muddenahalli group.
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--Name-snipped-- wrote:
Yes I swear on Sai Baba . I was shocked also, I told our regional coordinator --Name-snipped-- ,,she was also horrified
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Sairam --Name-snipped--! Yes, this is a public post and there are some Melbourne, Australia based Muddenahalli group supporters who cyberstalk my posts. I have been viciously maligned by them on Facebook.

I think your confirmation that you personally heard it, is very significant for me. Thanks for the confirmation.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Well, I prefer to focus on public interactions on such matters. The role that I play is that of publicly sharing some wrong doings of Muddenahalli group.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
My stand on Muddenahalli group fund-raising practices is that so long as they don't use psychological coercion, I don't object to them collecting voluntary funds to finance their social work activities. Of course, they need to follow accounting and disclosure laws and norms of the countries in which they operate. But if they break such laws/norms then law enforcement of those countries needs to get into play to investigate them. I have not heard of any such law enforcement issue for them in Australia so far - so perhaps their fund-raising actions are within Australian law.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
But I strongly object to any psychological coercion that Muddenahalli group uses in Australia for fund-raising. I think appropriate govt. agencies in Australia must be told of any such psychological coercion that Muddenahalli group makes. That's the right way to stop such bad practices of Muddenahalli group in Australia, IMHO.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
--Name-snipped--, I think you are wise in deciding to stay away from Muddenahalli group.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I have received reports that Madhusudan Naidu does have some mind-reading/memory-reading powers which makes it easy for him to trap people into believing his FALSE CLAIM of being a so called communicator of Baba. So staying away from him is the safest thing to do for you and your friends and family.
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--Name-snipped-- wrote:
Yes , I do believe so
I will just stay with my little group,,,,
I have been to see Swami and had interview ,,swami gave me a Shiva lingam when he healed me from an illness also
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Great to know your good experience with physical form Bhagavan.
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--Name-snipped-- wrote (two comments collapsed into one):
Yes, so great an experience. It was Xmas 1989 I first went, had my interview, and also the healing,,,so magnificent an experience I will remember it every day ,, ,Swami held both my hands In . His, and told.me I am a good girl !!!!
We went Into the inner room where I actually had the privilege of sitting at his feet
It is good to share these. Wonderful times with someone like you who has experienced Swami too
[Ravi S. Iyer 'Facebook-Liked' the above comments of --name-snipped--.]
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--Name-snipped-- wrote:
Now the physical firm has gone, I think a lot of folk are trying to fill the void , ,,,,that is why the group in MDH exists
[Ravi S. Iyer 'Facebook-Liked' the above comment of --name-snipped--.]
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Comment I put up on FB post on 29th May 2017, https://www.facebook.com/saibeti/posts/1346995498681916, which is about the person joining SSSIHL shortly as a Masters student:

All the best! Do bear in mind the balance between spiritual learning in SSSIHL and pure academics. It is the spiritual learning aspect that I think is the most valuable part of the SSSIHL experience. As you devote yourself to it so will you be rewarded spiritually. If you choose to instead look for faults - and there surely will be some - instead of looking and learning from the good in SSSIHL - it would be a mistake.

So my advice as a former teacher in SSSIHL is that you should be positive in your spiritual outlook and willingness to learn spiritually, as a student, as that will give you the spiritual benefits from studying in SSSIHL. Jai Sairam!
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Some other thoughts of mine:

Charles Penn, as far as I know, DID NOT give darshan of, interviews with, and discourses of, himself or an associated subtle body which only he could see and interact with, misrepresenting them as darshan, interviews and discourses with/of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba. Saying that Baba was speaking through him was different from saying that he is giving a discourse of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

As far as I know, no such discourses of Charles Penn when Charles Penn felt that Baba was speaking through him, are listed in Sathya Sai Speaks as Sathya Sai discourses.

Prior to Mahasamadhi, the physical presence of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba ensured that all such persons stayed within acceptable perimeters as drawn by Bhagavan himself. So Charles Penn, I guess, would have been viewed as an honoured devotee-speaker of Bhagavan.

After Mahasamadhi, as Bhagavan is not there in physical form to explicitly condemn actions of people like Madhusudan Rao Naidu who is going against the teachings and instructions of Bhagavan, we see some faulty justifications being given for Madhusudan's condemnable actions.
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Around 35:00 in the video, Thursday Satsang : 11th May, 2017, --link-snipped--, Sri Sathya Sai Vrinda Official, you can see Prof. --Name1-snipped-- talk to Madhusudan Naidu (Madhu Baba). You can easily make out that while --- is showing some respect to Madhu Baba, it is nowhere close to reverence. I mean he did not even make a Namaskar gesture to Madhu Baba!!!

Now I don't know how --Name1-snipped-- behaved towards physical form Sathya Sai. Maybe some darshan videos would show that. But former vice-chancellors of Sai university like Shri S.V. Giri and Prof. G. Venkataraman were surely reverential towards physical form Swami and would surely have done at least one Namaskar (folded hands) gesture to Swami in an interaction with Swami like the one --- had with Madhu Baba.

It is my considered view that --- is spiritually ignorant about physical form, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba. It is my second nearly one hour one-on-one interaction with him in the VC's chambers in July 2011 where I saw an extraordinary Hitler like ugly dominator side of ---, which was the key event that made me cut down my interactions with Sai university from then on, to around an hour a week, and eventually terminate my relationship with Sai university in March 2012. So I am speaking from both DIRECT interactions that I had with --Name1-snipped-- as well as many accounts of other people's interactions with him in the key period of July 2011 to mid 2012, which led me to conclude that --Name1-snipped-- became a TRAITOR to Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust, and was the key conspirator in Muddenhalli group HIJACK of Sai university from Jul. 2011 to Nov. 2014 when --Name1-snipped-- stepped down as VC of Sai university.

See, if he had simply quit Sai university in Jul 2011 or a few months later and joined Narasimhamurthy, I would not have labelled him as a traitor. I would have said that he was spiritually misguided. But this man sat in the all powerful chair of VC of Sai university and behaved like a double-agent whose loyalty was to Narasimhamurthy and NOT to Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust which was the mother trust funding the Sai university. What an EPIC BETRAYAL IT WAS!!! Poor SSSCT did not have the GUTS to dismiss him then as he threatened to create a media furore if he was dismissed as VC!

This man, --Name1-snipped--, seems to have a personal agenda of being known as a great spiritual educationist!!! He has a lot of clout in Indian academic administrative circles, I am told, besides being connected to some political leaders in Karnataka.

In the video, Narasimhamurthy translates Madhu Baba's speech saying that when they started the school in Gulbarga he wanted 50 acres of land though 5 acres would do for only a school. Madhu Baba says that he knew the rule about university needing 50 acres of land and had the plan to start a university there.

From around 1:11:20 there is talk about a private university being started in Gulbarga by Muddenahalli group.  That, as per my understanding of UGC administered Indian academic system, would be a private deemed university which is what our Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (Sai university) also is.

At the time the Gulbarga school was being built and inaugurated in Nov. 2012, I was informed by reliable sources that Madhusudan Naidu was a nobody in the setup. It was Narasimhamurthy who was playing dream and intuition instruction Swami then NOT Madhusudan Naidu. But in this "discourse" Madhu Baba gives an impression that it was him as communicator of so called subtle body that was the main person even then, and Narasimhamurthy plays along with the charade!!!

Around 1:13:25, Narasimhamurthy says in translation, "Today we have submitted an application for starting a private university." ... "Within a year we are going to get all the permissions. We are going to start a .. university college, also university research in Gulbarga."

So now this man, --Name1-snipped--, seems to be a key top academic administrator person in promoting a university where Madhu Baba's dilution, distortion and corruption of Sathya Sai teachings using the HOLY NAME of Sathya Sai, will perhaps get Indian academic university and so academic research stamp!!! What a tragedy it will be, if they succeed in this endeavour!!! What additional betrayal it will be of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba by this TRAITOR Vice-chancellor, --Name1-snipped--!!!

I will have NO OBJECTION to this new university of Muddenahalli group if it uses the name of Madhu Baba or Narasimhamurthy Baba or --Name1-snipped-- Baba INSTEAD of the name of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba! But these fellows will SHAMELESSLY use the name of Sathya Sai Baba! What a tragedy!

Most people in Sai circles including Sai university alumni seem to be VERY SCARED of saying anything against --Name1-snipped--. But what I have written above is, in my considered view, very sadly, very close to the truth.
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Note that, as far as I know, till today there has been NO WORD OF CONDEMNATION from Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust OR Sai univeristy of Prof. --Name1-snipped--'s TRAITOR and Narasimhamurthy DOUBLE-AGENT role as vice-chancellor of Sai university from Jul. 2011 to Nov. 2014 when he stepped down as VC.

In my considered view, it is a mix of fear, respect for senior academic administrators and psychological denial that prevents SSSCT and Sai university top administrators & trustees from publicly condemning Prof. --Name1-snipped--. I presume that --Name1-snipped-- continues to be influential in top Indian UGC academic administrator circles and also continues to have support of some key Karnataka political leaders.

Now I think it is well established that the Sai university alumni group is itself deeply divided about Muddenahalli group and prefers to play a safe and fence-sitter role by staying publicly silent on the matter. I mean, so far the Sai university alumni group, as far as I know, have not even condemned Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan Rao Naidu!!! As far as I am concerned, the Sai university alumni group has been completely ineffective as a group in combating Muddenahalli group.

But as SSSCT and SSSIHL (Sai university) top administrators/trustees themselves have not publicly condemned former vice-chancellor --Name1-snipped-- for his betrayal and Narasimhamurthy double-agent role from Jul 2011 to Nov. 2014, I think it is too much for us to expect Sai university alumni group to officially state anything on the matter.

I must also say that a few Sai university alumni have, in their individual capacities, courageously exposed and condemned Muddenahalli group. I very much appreciate their contribution in this regard.

But individual contributions are different from alumni group contribution via official statements! Such a statement would have the backing of the alumni group as a whole which would perhaps be in the thousands, or at least hundreds. Just imagine the impact of official condemnation of Muddenahalli group by alumni group with a list of names of thousands, or at least hundreds, of alumni who endorse it!!!

But that has not happened even against Narasimhamurthy or Madhusudan Naidu!!! And that's why I hold the view that the Sai university (and school) alumni group have been completely ineffective in combating Muddenahalli group.