GVP sir's very sad association with Muddenahalli group
Given below is a comment exchange (inner-level comments to my comment, "Shubha Ramesh Kumar, Very well said! Excellent analysis! ...", dated Nov. 17th 2016, 11.11 PM) on Arun Srinivas' Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=695701403921934&id=100004462429073, dated Nov. 16th 2016
Arun Srinivas wrote (slightly edited):
Ravi S. Iyer....I just forgot this persons name...He used to be behind swami during darshan.....shocked to know that he with MDH....what's his name sir ? His (Is) he the same person? [Attached pic: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=696338630524878&set=p.696338630524878&type=3&theater]
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Arun Srinivas, The gentleman whose pic you have put up, getting associated with Muddenahalli group, was, for me, the saddest event that happened due to Muddenahalli group FALSE BELIEF. He is Prof. G.V. Prabhakar Rao (GVP sir), formerly of the Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science (DMACS), Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (Sai university). He and I used to sit in the same room in the Computer Lab. of DMACS, during the time he and I were both serving there.
And, yes, he used to walk behind Swami. Prior to Mahasamadhi, this person was a perfect gentleman, and very dedicated to Swami. I am grateful to him for having shared some interactions he had with Swami, with me. I also value the human values that he demonstrated then (he was a humble and polite person), quite in contrast to many others in Parthi who had proximity to physical form Swami, including form boys, who showed a lot of arrogance.
He is Ph.D. in Mathematics from IIT Madras, I believe. He later moved into the field of Computer Science and Information Technology. In Indian academia, it was, and perhaps still is to some extent at least, common for people with Ph.D.'s in Electrical Engineering, Electronics engineering, Mathematics etc. to become Computer Science & Information Technology academics, perhaps due to explosive growth of Computer Science & Information Technology academic depts. in India, and an acute shortage of Ph.D.'s in Computer Science & Information Technology fields in Indian academia.
So Prof. G.V. Prabhakar Rao (GVP) is an IIT PhD and an Indian Computer Science and Information Technology PROFESSOR! And he had close physical proximity to Swami for many years (after 1993 incident, for some years, when he was following Swami at Darshan), and served in Sai university! That would have made him a TOP-NOTCH person for Muddenahalli group to catch in their NET.
Additionally he was the Ph.D. guide for Madhusudan Rao Naidu's younger brother, Hanumantha Rao Naidu, in the Sai university. Hanumantha Rao Naidu, at that time (when he was doing Ph.D.), got into form with Swami, thereby getting GVP sir some precious renewed physical contact and interactions with Swami!
After Mahasamadhi, I don't know what happened to GVP sir! I think he, very unfortunately, came under the spell of the Asathya-Adharma force that is behind Madhusudan Rao Naidu, and he got trapped into it. GVP sir, for some time, even was having a blog promoting Muddenahalli FALSE BELIEF. Here is the July 20th 2014 post of his, http://reconnectsrisathyasai.blogspot.in/2014/07/preface.html, which shocked me no end! At that time, I even thought maybe it is true if GVP sir is endorsing it in such a strong and public way!
But as I examined it deeper then it became clear to me that GVP sir for all his Mathematics IIT PhD knowledge and physical proximity with Bhagavan, had been led spiritually astray by the Muddenahalli Asathya-Adharma force. It was very, very sad to see this, for me, very tragic, development.
Fortunately, later on he has not been so much at the fore in PUBLICLY promoting Muddenahalli FALSE BELIEF (I don't know about any private promotion he may be doing), even though I believe he is still associated with them, and perhaps does some Computer Science / Information Technology research and other work there, along with his former Ph.D. student, Dr. Hanumantha Rao Naidu (Madhusudan's younger brother). BTW Hanumantha (Hanu) was also my student - I have taught him software lab. courses - and Hanu later became a junior faculty colleague in DMACS. Hanu and I have even taught a course, C++ programming, together in DMACS, Sai university! Very fortunately for me, Hanu has never said anything publicly promoting Muddenahalli FALSE BELIEF. So I have not had to be publicly critical of anything related to Hanu, which would have been very painful for me to write. I wish Hanu all the best.
It has been painful for me to publicly share what I wrote about GVP sir above. But I felt it had to be done as my duty to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, my beloved Gurudev, and the Sathya Sai fraternity, and perhaps thereby save some innocent Sathya Sai devotees from getting trapped into Muddenhalli group FALSE BELIEF by seeing Prof. GVP associating with Muddenahalli group. I pray that Bhagavan will show GVP sir the path of Sathya & Dharma, and rescue him from the trap that he has fallen into. Jai Sairam!
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Vr Ganti commented in response:
More than year back I called him and when I said I am from SINGAPORE he was so happy to converse. When I told my name and that I vehemently oppose Lightbody concept he did not want to continue.
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Arun Srinivas wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer Vr Ganti....Sairam Sir....Thanks very much for giving such a clarity about this gentleman.I was very very curious to know about him as you said after 1993 incident he came into the picture and was very active...I have interacted with him in Prashanti many times....He used to accompany Swami during both darshan times...A person of such a stature that too Graduated from IIT and a Ph.D holder with so proximity to swami as how and where he got lost and got struck into this Muddenahalli Drama sir ? I remember I was then asked by late Sri.Radhakrishna who was Swami's personal caretaker to approach Mr.Prabhakar Rao for Distribution of Prasadam for Muddenahalli students in Shed No.2 which is no more there now...this particular shed was next to Sathya sai bhakt seva sahayak Sangh which is now the gas agency attached to Indian Gents Canteen......He was so good and helped all our students of Muddenhalli during Darshans.....Don't know as where all this will lead sir ? As you were right when they see such devotee or ex faculty who was close to swami and now with Muddenahalli....Anybody is bound to get trapped....Really appreciate you sir in giving such a clarity but what made him to leave SWAMI SIR ? Sairam
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I will not say GVP sir has left Swami. My view is that he simply has got trapped into believing Muddenahalli group FALSE CLAIM. How that happened exactly? I don't know.
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Arun Srinivas wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer...Sir...Leaving Swami means Prashanti Nilayam.......leaving swami means ...GVP embracing a person with FALSE CLAIM leaving the DIVINE
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Arun Srinivas, That's your view. I consider that to be too extreme a view. I prefer to view them as misguided devotees who have come under the spell of Asathya-Adharma force of Muddenahalli so-called communicator, Madhusudan Rao Naidu, even though they continue to pray to and worship Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi.
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Arun Srinivas wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer.....Yes I feel the word MISGUIDED is Apt. So some devotees too were commenting about Madhusudhan Naidu that he too was a MISGUIDED SOUL ....Do you agree with this comment sir ?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Brother Arun Srinivas. I find the case of Madhusudan Rao Naidu to be extraordinarily complex, based on what information I have gathered. He clearly is a very important LEADER now though people say Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy is the KING who dictates matters (even to Madhusudan Rao Naidu) in private.
But it is Madhusudan Rao Naidu who has taken on the PUBLIC role of the spiritual-leader of Muddenahalli group. "Misguided soul", in my view, may be appropriate for people who get caught up as devotees of a fraudulent spiritual leader. Madhusudan is now a spiritual leader himself! He cannot, in my view, be viewed as simply a "misguided soul".
My view is that Madhusudan is a cult leader now. He also MUST have some paranormal powers - otherwise I don't think he could have attracted so many people. If he had used his own name for his darshan, interview and discourses, then he would have been doing something that would have been appropriate, in my view. In my view, there is nothing wrong in a Sai student becoming a spiritual leader and forming his/her own group, so long as he/she follows Sathya, Dharma, Shanti and Prema values and the teachings of Sathya Sai.
Where Madhusudan has committed a very bad act, in my view, is using the name of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, for his darshan, interview and discourses. Perhaps if he had used his own name, he may NOT have been able to attract other Sathya Sai devotees and their donation money, like he has now. Maybe that's why he fell into the trap of GOING AGAINST Bhagavan's teachings as Bhagavan has CLEARLY & PUBLICLY said that he never communicates via mediums (or communicators), by proclaiming himself (Madhusudan) as a so-called communicator of a so-called subtle body of Bhagavan. And that's where I think he has ended up misguiding thousands of Sathya Sai devotees, which perhaps is one of the gravest of sins that a spiritual person can commit.
To conclude, I don't think "misguided soul" is the appropriate term for Madhusudan Rao Naidu as he is the one who is doing the misguiding of other "misguided souls". It has to be a far more harsher term which I don't want to get into.
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[These comments are at the outer comment level in the same Facebook post.]
Vr Ganti wrote (slightly edited):
Arun Srinivas Ravi S. Iyer - I dont agree at all that Madhu is a spiritual leader. He is a fraud. I am in contact with someone, very senior guy (name withheld for the time being), who tells me lot of stories about Mhalli Gang and its leaders. Yes he has acquired some skills and these skills will not last for ever. As I said elsewhere, he is able to survive this long only becase Parthi camp is not united and the leaders are unable to combat the problem. I think this issue has been aggravated by inaction from SSSCT and nothing more than that.
I agree that Madhu appears to be an important member of the Mhalli Group, though I am told that he is just a puppet in the hands of CS and may be to some extent BNNM.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Vr Ganti sir. When I say Madhusudan Rao Naidu is a spiritual leader, I say it based on the sizeable international following that he now has. I have already publicly and repeatedly said that his so called communicator CLAIM is a FALSE CLAIM. So that part of his actions are FRAUDULENT.
For the other part of his actions - discussions and advise to devotees in interviews, money collection, starting new projects serving society for free etc. I think that is what many spiritual leaders do. What Madhu seems to do for fund collection certainly goes against the teachings of Sathya Sai to not solicit funds from donors. But that is not uncommon about most spiritual groups, I believe.
So I don't know whether this other part of his actions can be viewed as fraudulent. I mean, most spiritual leaders and groups do that.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Perhaps a comparison may make my stand clear. I view Kurnool Bala Sai Baba as a spiritual leader because he has a sizeable following. Barring Madhusudan Rao Naidu's so called communicator claim, which I have publicly said is a FALSE CLAIM, the rest of his actions seem to me to be somewhat comparable to Bala Sai Baba of Kurnool. Now I am NOT a follower of Bala Sai Baba but I cannot deny that others, a significant number, are his followers. And so I have to accept the reality that Bala Sai Baba is a spiritual leader to significant number of people.
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Arun Srinivas wrote (slightly edited):
Ravi S. Iyer....I just forgot this persons name...He used to be behind swami during darshan.....shocked to know that he with MDH....what's his name sir ? His (Is) he the same person? [Attached pic: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=696338630524878&set=p.696338630524878&type=3&theater]
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Arun Srinivas, The gentleman whose pic you have put up, getting associated with Muddenahalli group, was, for me, the saddest event that happened due to Muddenahalli group FALSE BELIEF. He is Prof. G.V. Prabhakar Rao (GVP sir), formerly of the Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science (DMACS), Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (Sai university). He and I used to sit in the same room in the Computer Lab. of DMACS, during the time he and I were both serving there.
And, yes, he used to walk behind Swami. Prior to Mahasamadhi, this person was a perfect gentleman, and very dedicated to Swami. I am grateful to him for having shared some interactions he had with Swami, with me. I also value the human values that he demonstrated then (he was a humble and polite person), quite in contrast to many others in Parthi who had proximity to physical form Swami, including form boys, who showed a lot of arrogance.
He is Ph.D. in Mathematics from IIT Madras, I believe. He later moved into the field of Computer Science and Information Technology. In Indian academia, it was, and perhaps still is to some extent at least, common for people with Ph.D.'s in Electrical Engineering, Electronics engineering, Mathematics etc. to become Computer Science & Information Technology academics, perhaps due to explosive growth of Computer Science & Information Technology academic depts. in India, and an acute shortage of Ph.D.'s in Computer Science & Information Technology fields in Indian academia.
So Prof. G.V. Prabhakar Rao (GVP) is an IIT PhD and an Indian Computer Science and Information Technology PROFESSOR! And he had close physical proximity to Swami for many years (after 1993 incident, for some years, when he was following Swami at Darshan), and served in Sai university! That would have made him a TOP-NOTCH person for Muddenahalli group to catch in their NET.
Additionally he was the Ph.D. guide for Madhusudan Rao Naidu's younger brother, Hanumantha Rao Naidu, in the Sai university. Hanumantha Rao Naidu, at that time (when he was doing Ph.D.), got into form with Swami, thereby getting GVP sir some precious renewed physical contact and interactions with Swami!
After Mahasamadhi, I don't know what happened to GVP sir! I think he, very unfortunately, came under the spell of the Asathya-Adharma force that is behind Madhusudan Rao Naidu, and he got trapped into it. GVP sir, for some time, even was having a blog promoting Muddenahalli FALSE BELIEF. Here is the July 20th 2014 post of his, http://reconnectsrisathyasai.blogspot.in/2014/07/preface.html, which shocked me no end! At that time, I even thought maybe it is true if GVP sir is endorsing it in such a strong and public way!
But as I examined it deeper then it became clear to me that GVP sir for all his Mathematics IIT PhD knowledge and physical proximity with Bhagavan, had been led spiritually astray by the Muddenahalli Asathya-Adharma force. It was very, very sad to see this, for me, very tragic, development.
Fortunately, later on he has not been so much at the fore in PUBLICLY promoting Muddenahalli FALSE BELIEF (I don't know about any private promotion he may be doing), even though I believe he is still associated with them, and perhaps does some Computer Science / Information Technology research and other work there, along with his former Ph.D. student, Dr. Hanumantha Rao Naidu (Madhusudan's younger brother). BTW Hanumantha (Hanu) was also my student - I have taught him software lab. courses - and Hanu later became a junior faculty colleague in DMACS. Hanu and I have even taught a course, C++ programming, together in DMACS, Sai university! Very fortunately for me, Hanu has never said anything publicly promoting Muddenahalli FALSE BELIEF. So I have not had to be publicly critical of anything related to Hanu, which would have been very painful for me to write. I wish Hanu all the best.
It has been painful for me to publicly share what I wrote about GVP sir above. But I felt it had to be done as my duty to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, my beloved Gurudev, and the Sathya Sai fraternity, and perhaps thereby save some innocent Sathya Sai devotees from getting trapped into Muddenhalli group FALSE BELIEF by seeing Prof. GVP associating with Muddenahalli group. I pray that Bhagavan will show GVP sir the path of Sathya & Dharma, and rescue him from the trap that he has fallen into. Jai Sairam!
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Vr Ganti commented in response:
More than year back I called him and when I said I am from SINGAPORE he was so happy to converse. When I told my name and that I vehemently oppose Lightbody concept he did not want to continue.
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Arun Srinivas wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer Vr Ganti....Sairam Sir....Thanks very much for giving such a clarity about this gentleman.I was very very curious to know about him as you said after 1993 incident he came into the picture and was very active...I have interacted with him in Prashanti many times....He used to accompany Swami during both darshan times...A person of such a stature that too Graduated from IIT and a Ph.D holder with so proximity to swami as how and where he got lost and got struck into this Muddenahalli Drama sir ? I remember I was then asked by late Sri.Radhakrishna who was Swami's personal caretaker to approach Mr.Prabhakar Rao for Distribution of Prasadam for Muddenahalli students in Shed No.2 which is no more there now...this particular shed was next to Sathya sai bhakt seva sahayak Sangh which is now the gas agency attached to Indian Gents Canteen......He was so good and helped all our students of Muddenhalli during Darshans.....Don't know as where all this will lead sir ? As you were right when they see such devotee or ex faculty who was close to swami and now with Muddenahalli....Anybody is bound to get trapped....Really appreciate you sir in giving such a clarity but what made him to leave SWAMI SIR ? Sairam
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
I will not say GVP sir has left Swami. My view is that he simply has got trapped into believing Muddenahalli group FALSE CLAIM. How that happened exactly? I don't know.
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Arun Srinivas wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer...Sir...Leaving Swami means Prashanti Nilayam.......leaving swami means ...GVP embracing a person with FALSE CLAIM leaving the DIVINE
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Arun Srinivas, That's your view. I consider that to be too extreme a view. I prefer to view them as misguided devotees who have come under the spell of Asathya-Adharma force of Muddenahalli so-called communicator, Madhusudan Rao Naidu, even though they continue to pray to and worship Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi.
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Arun Srinivas wrote:
Ravi S. Iyer.....Yes I feel the word MISGUIDED is Apt. So some devotees too were commenting about Madhusudhan Naidu that he too was a MISGUIDED SOUL ....Do you agree with this comment sir ?
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Brother Arun Srinivas. I find the case of Madhusudan Rao Naidu to be extraordinarily complex, based on what information I have gathered. He clearly is a very important LEADER now though people say Shri B.N. Narasimhamurthy is the KING who dictates matters (even to Madhusudan Rao Naidu) in private.
But it is Madhusudan Rao Naidu who has taken on the PUBLIC role of the spiritual-leader of Muddenahalli group. "Misguided soul", in my view, may be appropriate for people who get caught up as devotees of a fraudulent spiritual leader. Madhusudan is now a spiritual leader himself! He cannot, in my view, be viewed as simply a "misguided soul".
My view is that Madhusudan is a cult leader now. He also MUST have some paranormal powers - otherwise I don't think he could have attracted so many people. If he had used his own name for his darshan, interview and discourses, then he would have been doing something that would have been appropriate, in my view. In my view, there is nothing wrong in a Sai student becoming a spiritual leader and forming his/her own group, so long as he/she follows Sathya, Dharma, Shanti and Prema values and the teachings of Sathya Sai.
Where Madhusudan has committed a very bad act, in my view, is using the name of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, for his darshan, interview and discourses. Perhaps if he had used his own name, he may NOT have been able to attract other Sathya Sai devotees and their donation money, like he has now. Maybe that's why he fell into the trap of GOING AGAINST Bhagavan's teachings as Bhagavan has CLEARLY & PUBLICLY said that he never communicates via mediums (or communicators), by proclaiming himself (Madhusudan) as a so-called communicator of a so-called subtle body of Bhagavan. And that's where I think he has ended up misguiding thousands of Sathya Sai devotees, which perhaps is one of the gravest of sins that a spiritual person can commit.
To conclude, I don't think "misguided soul" is the appropriate term for Madhusudan Rao Naidu as he is the one who is doing the misguiding of other "misguided souls". It has to be a far more harsher term which I don't want to get into.
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[These comments are at the outer comment level in the same Facebook post.]
Vr Ganti wrote (slightly edited):
Arun Srinivas Ravi S. Iyer - I dont agree at all that Madhu is a spiritual leader. He is a fraud. I am in contact with someone, very senior guy (name withheld for the time being), who tells me lot of stories about Mhalli Gang and its leaders. Yes he has acquired some skills and these skills will not last for ever. As I said elsewhere, he is able to survive this long only becase Parthi camp is not united and the leaders are unable to combat the problem. I think this issue has been aggravated by inaction from SSSCT and nothing more than that.
I agree that Madhu appears to be an important member of the Mhalli Group, though I am told that he is just a puppet in the hands of CS and may be to some extent BNNM.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Vr Ganti sir. When I say Madhusudan Rao Naidu is a spiritual leader, I say it based on the sizeable international following that he now has. I have already publicly and repeatedly said that his so called communicator CLAIM is a FALSE CLAIM. So that part of his actions are FRAUDULENT.
For the other part of his actions - discussions and advise to devotees in interviews, money collection, starting new projects serving society for free etc. I think that is what many spiritual leaders do. What Madhu seems to do for fund collection certainly goes against the teachings of Sathya Sai to not solicit funds from donors. But that is not uncommon about most spiritual groups, I believe.
So I don't know whether this other part of his actions can be viewed as fraudulent. I mean, most spiritual leaders and groups do that.
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Ravi S. Iyer wrote:
Perhaps a comparison may make my stand clear. I view Kurnool Bala Sai Baba as a spiritual leader because he has a sizeable following. Barring Madhusudan Rao Naidu's so called communicator claim, which I have publicly said is a FALSE CLAIM, the rest of his actions seem to me to be somewhat comparable to Bala Sai Baba of Kurnool. Now I am NOT a follower of Bala Sai Baba but I cannot deny that others, a significant number, are his followers. And so I have to accept the reality that Bala Sai Baba is a spiritual leader to significant number of people.
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