Miscellaneous posts & comments on Facebook in December 2018
Note that some posts and comments made in early part of December 2018 may be put up here: https://ravisiyer.blogspot.com/2018/11/miscellaneous-posts-comments-on.html.
When author of post or comment is not mentioned, it should be assumed that it is me (Ravi S. Iyer).
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https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2372856782930885
Around a minute. My pranams to the lady for having done something that I wanted to do but could not - learn Sanskrit well enough to read, write and speak it.
https://www.facebook.com/332251207197364/videos/438553313233819/
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This is an awesome rendition of Adi Shankara's Nirvana Shatakam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgHi88SlpkQ
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In FB post, https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10213854270615592, dated 26th Dec. 2018, there was talk of forming a united group and my name was tagged.
I wrote (slightly edited):
I think Unity with Muddenahalli group is simply not possible till Madhusudan Rao Naidu drama is stopped.
Let me be frank. Most alumni are afraid of publicly speaking up against Muddenahalli group - that is the plain and simple truth. They may give some excuse or the other for not speaking up against Madhusudan Rao Naidu like Help Ever Hurt Never or Love All Serve All, but the underlying truth - Sathyam - is fear of Muddenahalli group because the whole setup is so tangled now. Their friends or even relatives may be associated with Muddenahalli group with some of them earning a livelihood from Muddenahalli group. So if they oppose them publicly, it will spoil their relationship with those of their friends and relatives who are associated with Muddenahalli group. So the safest and easy way for them to be happy is to stay publicly silent on Madhusudan Rao Naidu.
But I do think that there are some alumni who are courageous and willing to publicly be critical of Madhusudan Naidu. My view is that one person from these alumni should put up a change.org petition for Sai educational institution alumni expressing their opposition to imposter Madhusudan Rao Naidu. If Shri --Name-snipped-- is not in a position to do so, then somebody else should step up. And that person should not be afraid of being mocked by other alumni, if nobody else signs the petition. I, for sure, will publicly appreciate such a person and put up a blog and Facebook post appreciating that person's courage.
So the question is: Is there one Sai educational system alumnus who is willing to put up a change.org petition to be signed by other Sai educational system alumni, but aimed at Sathya Sai devotee community worldwide, expressing public opposition to imposter Madhusudan Rao Naidu?
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In response to a comment, I wrote (slightly edited):
My comment was in the context of my experience of past calls for Unity on Mr. Ganti's Facebook pages. I think there are many Sai devotees in general who have publicly spoken against Madhusudan Naidu. ... But the Achilles heel has been alumni of Sai educational institutions. Those of such alumni who oppose Madhusudan Naidu in private need to find courage to publicly oppose Madhusudan Naidu. They can follow the lead of the USA based lady devotee who started a petition that garnered over 1000 signatures. ... If a Sai alumnus shows the courage to put up such an online petition meant only for Sai alumni, that may be a good starting point to fix the Achilles heel weakness in our Sathya Sai movement.
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Mind you, I am ***not blaming*** Sai alumni. They got misled by the Warden that they admired. We need to help them come out of that Warden (Narasimhamurthy's) fear and respect complex, and publicly oppose his Asathya and Adharma.
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Narasimhamurthy was the Tyagajeevi Warden that many alumni blindly believed in. We should be sympathetic towards such alumni who got lost spiritually and are trapped by Narasimhamurthy.
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FB post, https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10213848046579995 dated 25th Dec. 2018, stated, "At last I see alumnus of Sai University opening up." in the context of a Sai university alumnus person putting up a public post critical of Madhusudan Naidu. On the post, I (Ravi) wrote (slightly edited):
It is good to see Shri --name-snipped--'s courage in following Swami's teachings in this regard.
But, sir, I must also point out, without taking names, that there have been a few Sai university and school alumni who have publicly been critical of Madhusudan Naidu.
What has been lacking so far is an online petition by Sai educational system alumni against the imposter Madhusudan Naidu for misguiding thousands of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide, with alumni signing up on it.
--Name-snipped-- - do you think you can take the lead in putting up this petition, say on Change.org (or on any other Internet forum you are comfortable with)? Don't be put off by the possibility of few signups. Even if nobody signs the petition, some of us will be very appreciative of you for the action.
If your petition allows former teachers of Sai educational institutions also to sign up, then I assure you that I will sign your petition (at least the part of it that is against imposter Madhusudan Naidu). Jai Sai Ram!
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In response to a comment, I wrote:
My petition suggestion was focused on Sathya Sai devotee community rather than government and other authorities. I think that if the Sathya Sai devotee community sees that there are many Sai educational system alumni who have publicly signed that they are against the imposter Madhusudan Naidu, then it may have some good impact for upholding Sathya & Dharma and for preventing people from getting trapped by Muddenahalli group, and perhaps rescuing some of those who are trapped in it now.
Let us not forget that it was Bhagavan Himself who repeatedly said that his students will take his mission forward. So naturally, after Bhagavan gave up His physical form, the devotee community looked up to alumni to lead the mission under some guidance of elders.
But tragically, some elders and some alumni got together and formed Asathya-Adharma Muddenahalli group and are diluting and distorting the legacy and memories of our beloved Lord, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba! Those who the devotee community looked up to lead them, themselves have led the devotees astray!
Given this deeply disturbing and tragic scenario, I think if some courageous alumni step forward and publicly sign a change.org petition (which need not be directed at government authorities but directed to Sathya Sai community itself) opposing the imposter Madhusudan Rao Naidu, it may have an impact of the larger Sathya Sai devotee community moving away from Madhusudan Rao Naidu.
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In Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/notes/vr-ganti/the-pen-is-mightier-than-the-sword-not-everyone-gets-an-opportunity-to-express-i/10213831330042092/, I (Ravi) wrote:
The big Apriya (unpleasant) Sathyam (truth) of this post-Mahasamadhi phase till now is in this sentence of your post, Vr Ganti sir, "We have seen how Mudennahalli cult organization was born and developed to dizzy heights, primarily due to the support and encouragement from Sai Alumni." ... The toughest thing for any movement or any group or any individual to bear is betrayal from within. Recovery time for the movement from such betrayal has to usually be measured in decades, IMHO.
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--Name-snipped-- wrote in response: Very well said... Recovery will surely take several decades
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In response to a comment that said in part ".. most people are abstaining from making comments and writing notes which could lead to gaining momentum towards SATHYA & DHARMA.", I (Ravi) wrote (slightly edited): That is the reality. Most people want to play safe and not offend anybody. That includes the current All India President of Sathya Sai orgn. --name-snipped--. So it is natural for most devotees in India to follow his lead and play safe.
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In response to a comment, Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited): --Name-snipped-- sir, based on my exposure to Sathya Sai devotees and movement for around a quarter century (25 years), and my keen observation of post-Mahasamadhi phase Sathya Sai movement (over 7.5 years now), I entirely agree with this part of your comment: "Most sai devotees are passive sir... Most in my limited experience either are too bitter about mdh (where the primary operating faculty is the mind and not the intellect) or are too innocent and naive to do research and form a solid informed opinion."
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In Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravirajsalyankar/posts/10156155752093721, Official Alumni Stand on MDH (Muddenahalli group) which is a re-share of (original) post dated Dec 6th 2015, I wrote:
My apologies in advance if my comment is unwelcome here. There should be a public list of alumni who support this stand. That's when this will become a strong statement. ... I am afraid the truth is that most alumni (some surely have come out publicly against Madhusudan Naidu and that's good) want to play safe by staying publicly silent on the matter. That's why we don't have a public list of such names of alumni who support the above Dec. 2015 stand.
Also feel free to delete this comment of mine. I will not take any offense.
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I wrote (slightly edited):
I fully support Shri --name-snipped--'s efforts to expose the falsehood of Muddenahalli group which has created serious division in Sathya Sai fraternity worldwide. Unity with a group that supports an impersonator of Sathya Sai when Sathya Sai has clearly said that he never uses mediums and never enters into bodies of others, is not worth it! Why should we associate with Asathya-Adharma of Muddenahalli group! We should educate/inform devotees and the public about the false claims of Muddenahalli group so that they do not get trapped by them. That is what Shri --name-snipped-- is contributing to, and I appreciate and fully support his work in this regard.
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When author of post or comment is not mentioned, it should be assumed that it is me (Ravi S. Iyer).
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https://www.facebook.com/ravi.s.iyer.7/posts/2372856782930885
Around a minute. My pranams to the lady for having done something that I wanted to do but could not - learn Sanskrit well enough to read, write and speak it.
https://www.facebook.com/332251207197364/videos/438553313233819/
...
This is an awesome rendition of Adi Shankara's Nirvana Shatakam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgHi88SlpkQ
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In FB post, https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10213854270615592, dated 26th Dec. 2018, there was talk of forming a united group and my name was tagged.
I wrote (slightly edited):
I think Unity with Muddenahalli group is simply not possible till Madhusudan Rao Naidu drama is stopped.
Let me be frank. Most alumni are afraid of publicly speaking up against Muddenahalli group - that is the plain and simple truth. They may give some excuse or the other for not speaking up against Madhusudan Rao Naidu like Help Ever Hurt Never or Love All Serve All, but the underlying truth - Sathyam - is fear of Muddenahalli group because the whole setup is so tangled now. Their friends or even relatives may be associated with Muddenahalli group with some of them earning a livelihood from Muddenahalli group. So if they oppose them publicly, it will spoil their relationship with those of their friends and relatives who are associated with Muddenahalli group. So the safest and easy way for them to be happy is to stay publicly silent on Madhusudan Rao Naidu.
But I do think that there are some alumni who are courageous and willing to publicly be critical of Madhusudan Naidu. My view is that one person from these alumni should put up a change.org petition for Sai educational institution alumni expressing their opposition to imposter Madhusudan Rao Naidu. If Shri --Name-snipped-- is not in a position to do so, then somebody else should step up. And that person should not be afraid of being mocked by other alumni, if nobody else signs the petition. I, for sure, will publicly appreciate such a person and put up a blog and Facebook post appreciating that person's courage.
So the question is: Is there one Sai educational system alumnus who is willing to put up a change.org petition to be signed by other Sai educational system alumni, but aimed at Sathya Sai devotee community worldwide, expressing public opposition to imposter Madhusudan Rao Naidu?
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In response to a comment, I wrote (slightly edited):
My comment was in the context of my experience of past calls for Unity on Mr. Ganti's Facebook pages. I think there are many Sai devotees in general who have publicly spoken against Madhusudan Naidu. ... But the Achilles heel has been alumni of Sai educational institutions. Those of such alumni who oppose Madhusudan Naidu in private need to find courage to publicly oppose Madhusudan Naidu. They can follow the lead of the USA based lady devotee who started a petition that garnered over 1000 signatures. ... If a Sai alumnus shows the courage to put up such an online petition meant only for Sai alumni, that may be a good starting point to fix the Achilles heel weakness in our Sathya Sai movement.
----
Mind you, I am ***not blaming*** Sai alumni. They got misled by the Warden that they admired. We need to help them come out of that Warden (Narasimhamurthy's) fear and respect complex, and publicly oppose his Asathya and Adharma.
----
Narasimhamurthy was the Tyagajeevi Warden that many alumni blindly believed in. We should be sympathetic towards such alumni who got lost spiritually and are trapped by Narasimhamurthy.
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FB post, https://www.facebook.com/vr.ganti.1/posts/10213848046579995 dated 25th Dec. 2018, stated, "At last I see alumnus of Sai University opening up." in the context of a Sai university alumnus person putting up a public post critical of Madhusudan Naidu. On the post, I (Ravi) wrote (slightly edited):
It is good to see Shri --name-snipped--'s courage in following Swami's teachings in this regard.
But, sir, I must also point out, without taking names, that there have been a few Sai university and school alumni who have publicly been critical of Madhusudan Naidu.
What has been lacking so far is an online petition by Sai educational system alumni against the imposter Madhusudan Naidu for misguiding thousands of Sathya Sai devotees worldwide, with alumni signing up on it.
--Name-snipped-- - do you think you can take the lead in putting up this petition, say on Change.org (or on any other Internet forum you are comfortable with)? Don't be put off by the possibility of few signups. Even if nobody signs the petition, some of us will be very appreciative of you for the action.
If your petition allows former teachers of Sai educational institutions also to sign up, then I assure you that I will sign your petition (at least the part of it that is against imposter Madhusudan Naidu). Jai Sai Ram!
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In response to a comment, I wrote:
My petition suggestion was focused on Sathya Sai devotee community rather than government and other authorities. I think that if the Sathya Sai devotee community sees that there are many Sai educational system alumni who have publicly signed that they are against the imposter Madhusudan Naidu, then it may have some good impact for upholding Sathya & Dharma and for preventing people from getting trapped by Muddenahalli group, and perhaps rescuing some of those who are trapped in it now.
Let us not forget that it was Bhagavan Himself who repeatedly said that his students will take his mission forward. So naturally, after Bhagavan gave up His physical form, the devotee community looked up to alumni to lead the mission under some guidance of elders.
But tragically, some elders and some alumni got together and formed Asathya-Adharma Muddenahalli group and are diluting and distorting the legacy and memories of our beloved Lord, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba! Those who the devotee community looked up to lead them, themselves have led the devotees astray!
Given this deeply disturbing and tragic scenario, I think if some courageous alumni step forward and publicly sign a change.org petition (which need not be directed at government authorities but directed to Sathya Sai community itself) opposing the imposter Madhusudan Rao Naidu, it may have an impact of the larger Sathya Sai devotee community moving away from Madhusudan Rao Naidu.
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In Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/notes/vr-ganti/the-pen-is-mightier-than-the-sword-not-everyone-gets-an-opportunity-to-express-i/10213831330042092/, I (Ravi) wrote:
The big Apriya (unpleasant) Sathyam (truth) of this post-Mahasamadhi phase till now is in this sentence of your post, Vr Ganti sir, "We have seen how Mudennahalli cult organization was born and developed to dizzy heights, primarily due to the support and encouragement from Sai Alumni." ... The toughest thing for any movement or any group or any individual to bear is betrayal from within. Recovery time for the movement from such betrayal has to usually be measured in decades, IMHO.
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--Name-snipped-- wrote in response: Very well said... Recovery will surely take several decades
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In response to a comment that said in part ".. most people are abstaining from making comments and writing notes which could lead to gaining momentum towards SATHYA & DHARMA.", I (Ravi) wrote (slightly edited): That is the reality. Most people want to play safe and not offend anybody. That includes the current All India President of Sathya Sai orgn. --name-snipped--. So it is natural for most devotees in India to follow his lead and play safe.
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In response to a comment, Ravi S. Iyer wrote (slightly edited): --Name-snipped-- sir, based on my exposure to Sathya Sai devotees and movement for around a quarter century (25 years), and my keen observation of post-Mahasamadhi phase Sathya Sai movement (over 7.5 years now), I entirely agree with this part of your comment: "Most sai devotees are passive sir... Most in my limited experience either are too bitter about mdh (where the primary operating faculty is the mind and not the intellect) or are too innocent and naive to do research and form a solid informed opinion."
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In Facebook post, https://www.facebook.com/ravirajsalyankar/posts/10156155752093721, Official Alumni Stand on MDH (Muddenahalli group) which is a re-share of (original) post dated Dec 6th 2015, I wrote:
My apologies in advance if my comment is unwelcome here. There should be a public list of alumni who support this stand. That's when this will become a strong statement. ... I am afraid the truth is that most alumni (some surely have come out publicly against Madhusudan Naidu and that's good) want to play safe by staying publicly silent on the matter. That's why we don't have a public list of such names of alumni who support the above Dec. 2015 stand.
Also feel free to delete this comment of mine. I will not take any offense.
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I wrote (slightly edited):
I fully support Shri --name-snipped--'s efforts to expose the falsehood of Muddenahalli group which has created serious division in Sathya Sai fraternity worldwide. Unity with a group that supports an impersonator of Sathya Sai when Sathya Sai has clearly said that he never uses mediums and never enters into bodies of others, is not worth it! Why should we associate with Asathya-Adharma of Muddenahalli group! We should educate/inform devotees and the public about the false claims of Muddenahalli group so that they do not get trapped by them. That is what Shri --name-snipped-- is contributing to, and I appreciate and fully support his work in this regard.
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